Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[Minnanon]

You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.

If she was LE, you would have been popped. Just showing up and pulling out cash would have been enough. They would have tried to get more on you, but would still have popped you.

Every time I have had a girl act like that: refuse to disrobe, try to get me to ask for stuff first, refuse money. She has thought that I was LE.

Some of them seem to be under the mistaken impression that if *she* offers a sex act for money, it's illegal, but if *you* ask first, it's "entrapment. " Totally not correct, but hey, if they had brains they'd be something other than backpage hookers.

[Member #5153]

Anyone have any tips for how to not smell like an ashtray immediately after leaving a providers incall?

Bring a change of clothes, leave them in your car, find somewhere to change before you go home.

[JasonOhio33]

Anyone have any tips for how to not smell like an ashtray immediately after leaving a providers incall?

[Amon777]

Hehehehe stupid fuck boi here is addicted to bareback sex with these nasty girls. I like to spread my seed as much as possible. I have bb'ed streetwalkers, junkies, high end girls, I do not discriminate I will bareback any girl that is willing and allowing. My list of girls I have barebacked is growing. I've gotten sick a few times before from doing it but have not learned my lesson since I am addicted to it like a crack addict hehehe. I am single too so I don't have to worry about a significant other catching me barebacking the girls. I am a sex crazed lunatic.

This is the kinda mofo who needs Xed out. You know that there is sick and then there is stupid you Fuk Boi are straight stupid! I'm pretty sure your a fing lie but who knows sum people are stupid enuff to bb these gurls. You need to catch the virus to learn? Or you already got 1? Tha fact you like to risk your neck on a nut don't wash with us true blue mongs. So got tell your bs to the other Fuk boi's you hang with!!

[SullMonger]

Yes I am absolutely aware of this. How do I know this? Because the girls never wash or clean right after I cum in their pussies. I am standing right there watching them. Most of them just pull their pants right back up. I love it. I want my cum to fester in their pussies. I would not want to them to wash my cum right out. No I want them to absorb it all up into their pussies. It makes me very happy to know they are willing to go about their day with my cum in their pussy and not caring about washing it.

This is the kinda mofo who needs Xed out. You know that there is sick and then there is stupid you Fuk Boi are straight stupid! I'm pretty sure your a fing lie but who knows sum people are stupid enuff to bb these gurls. You need to catch the virus to learn? Or you already got 1? Tha fact you like to risk your neck on a nut don't wash with us true blue mongs. So got tell your bs to the other Fuk boi's you hang with!!

[Member #5083]

You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.

Disregard my previous post. That's Gabby. She's legit.

[Member #5083]

You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.

Maybe there should be a regular update for suspected LE ads? This one caught my attention. I didn't check out it's veracity. Just thought it fits the MO.

http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleE...eakye/24817359

[Rocky Rhodes]

You get charged for Solicitation 3rd degree misdemeanor. But since it was my first offense I didn't much do or say anything. The purpose of getting public defender is just so the prosecutor and public defender do there normal legal jargon for first time offenders. Now if its not your second offense, there is a good suggestion to get your own legal counsel because I'm thinking there going to throw the book at you.

I'm just giving everyone a FYI from my personal experience.

Thanks for the information, and sorry to hear of your bad luck.

[FolkArt]

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough.

You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.

[Redemption45]

You're right on almost every point. I wasn't trying to be critical, just offering some suggestions. I was really just curious as to whether Redemption entered a plea bargain. In my opinion, most people do when faced with criminal charges.

You get charged for Solicitation 3rd degree misdemeanor. But since it was my first offense I didn't much do or say anything. The purpose of getting public defender is just so the prosecutor and public defender do there normal legal jargon for first time offenders. Now if its not your second offense, there is a good suggestion to get your own legal counsel because I'm thinking there going to throw the book at you.

I'm just giving everyone a FYI from my personal experience.

[Rocky Rhodes]

You make it sound so easy to beat the charge. Are you going to have a bench trial or jury trial? If I'm on a jury and you showed up to a hotel room through a back page ad then I'm pretty much going to conclude your guilty at that point regardless of what nonsense you make up. A Judge is pretty much going to do the same.

Maybe you get a non public defender and pay him thousands in fees and he could possibly get you off but then your still going to be out tons of $.

Point being it isn't going to be as easy to get off as you suggest. Even if they have a weak case against you it doesn't matter. Because the system is already against you and who is going to care if some monger lost a case they should have won because of weak evidence. Nobody.

Also, keep in mind if you plea not guilty and do have a trial, the John school program and such is going to be off the table. If you do get found guilty after a trial they are going sentence you much more harshly to teach you a lesson.

Redemption, thanks for sharing your story and I think you did the right thing going to John school and stuff. It's basically a free pass for a first time busted John. Save the pleading not guilty for the next time you get busted when they are no longer offering you an easy out.

Just my 2 cents.

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.

You're right on almost every point. I wasn't trying to be critical, just offering some suggestions. I was really just curious as to whether Redemption entered a plea bargain. In my opinion, most people do when faced with criminal charges.

[Chris H]

You fools need to take the advice of Sexybits.

[Member #5083]

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.

That's the way I approach this hobby. The risk is always there. If I am taking the plunge, I know there is always that chance of getting stung, or the possibility of getting ripped off. Some situations & environments present a higher probability than others of that happening but you can mitigate the damage to some degree by research & preparation. My initial and subsequent interpretation after the 2 experiences I mentioned below, when the providers backed off from a hug upon greeting, was that they were agency girls trying to upsell and would ultimately only deliver a lame lap dance or say they only offer companionship or conversation. Not LE. One of those experiences happened in Cincinnati and one in Cbus.

[SexyBits]

I'm really curious as to what were you actually charged with? Did you plead guilty?

If they are fully dressed, ask where they would like to go or whether they would like to go to dinner or get drinks. Don't put any money out until you know for sure they are legit. If they ask for a donation before you have established that, say things that would make it difficult to establish criminal intent.

Criminal intent is not a crime; it must be established to convict you of a crime. If you're asked about condoms you should play it as though you are there to take them on a legitimate date. You can always leave while stating that you were there to take them on a date and aren't the type of guy who engages in casual sex. The point is that you can do things that make it very difficult to prove criminal intent when charged with a crime.

Public defenders usually advise their clients to plea bargain if the prosecutor presents that option, even if the client claims innocence.

You make it sound so easy to beat the charge. Are you going to have a bench trial or jury trial? If I'm on a jury and you showed up to a hotel room through a back page ad then I'm pretty much going to conclude your guilty at that point regardless of what nonsense you make up. A Judge is pretty much going to do the same.

Maybe you get a non public defender and pay him thousands in fees and he could possibly get you off but then your still going to be out tons of $.

Point being it isn't going to be as easy to get off as you suggest. Even if they have a weak case against you it doesn't matter. Because the system is already against you and who is going to care if some monger lost a case they should have won because of weak evidence. Nobody.

Also, keep in mind if you plea not guilty and do have a trial, the John school program and such is going to be off the table. If you do get found guilty after a trial they are going sentence you much more harshly to teach you a lesson.

Redemption, thanks for sharing your story and I think you did the right thing going to John school and stuff. It's basically a free pass for a first time busted John. Save the pleading not guilty for the next time you get busted when they are no longer offering you an easy out.

Just my 2 cents.

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.

[Rocky Rhodes]

I like that scenario, and you achieve a lot in two minutes conversation. I will let you in on experience. Being arrogant and non-chalant in my endeavors. I see one of those LE Ads. I respond to it. Do the normal 2 call system. Except they wanted me to meet at certain spot and text when I got there. I do the text and they tell me give me 20 minutes. I'm like I don't wait and passed on the opportunity. The next day I seen the exact same ad and responded I'm on my way. I like to do things within 15 minutes of person posting. Did the same thing as I did the day before. I get to the location and room. I walk in. There is mature blonde chick in a mini skirt. She looked kinda weird but I never thought nothing of it. Then there is the other female who I scheduled with. SHe is mature as well but she is dressed like she is going to a job interview. I think nothing of it but odd. In kitchenette area you see a 12 pack of beer box. ON bed is 3 sets of bra and panties. On the nightstand is "anal toy" box. That was my observation of room setup. We start to have small talk conversation about where was I yesterday. I said I have a 30 minute or less rule. Then the question was asked do I have protection? I stated sure. She replies back good because I don; t think I have your size. She then ask me what outfit would you like me wear? I 'm like you don't have to do all that I'm a simple person. She then says lay the donation down on the counter, and get yourself comfortable while I go to the bathroom to freshen up. IN that split seconds I only had one shoe off, before 6 vice cops with guns drawn. Saying don't make a move. SO you know the rest is history. I get a citation to make a court appearance. At the same time the do a check on your license to see if you have any warrants. In my case I had none. SO I was released. During the process of checking for warrants. They asked me how many times you done this. Blah blah blah. Then I got the lecture about what diseases you may contract. After the process and released they informed me to not tell anyone because if I do they know how to find me.

Anyways I go to court. Get a public defender. Since its my first offense its a 3rd degree misdemeanor. YOu have to take a John School program, pay the fine, and get a letterhead form from your doctor or clinic stating you went to get a HIV / STD test. They don't care for the results just something saying you been to take one.

So all those scenarios you say be careful what you say, and exchanging of the money is nothing more than myth. Once you enter that room it is all pre-mediated.

I'm saying it because of experience. That's why now I'm more conscious in my intel.

I'm really curious as to what were you actually charged with? Did you plead guilty?

If they are fully dressed, ask where they would like to go or whether they would like to go to dinner or get drinks. Don't put any money out until you know for sure they are legit. If they ask for a donation before you have established that, say things that would make it difficult to establish criminal intent.

Criminal intent is not a crime; it must be established to convict you of a crime. If you're asked about condoms you should play it as though you are there to take them on a legitimate date. You can always leave while stating that you were there to take them on a date and aren't the type of guy who engages in casual sex. The point is that you can do things that make it very difficult to prove criminal intent when charged with a crime.

Public defenders usually advise their clients to plea bargain if the prosecutor presents that option, even if the client claims innocence.