Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[FolkArt]

Thanks for sharing your full experience, R45. Sorry you got busted. Any of the guidelines I outline are not guarantees. They worked for me once. But as I said, I got lucky. I would never think I can outwit LEO. There is no substitute for checking thoroughly in advance, doing solid research, and being careful.

[Redemption45]

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

I like that scenario, and you achieve a lot in two minutes conversation. I will let you in on experience. Being arrogant and non-chalant in my endeavors. I see one of those LE Ads. I respond to it. Do the normal 2 call system. Except they wanted me to meet at certain spot and text when I got there. I do the text and they tell me give me 20 minutes. I'm like I don't wait and passed on the opportunity. The next day I seen the exact same ad and responded I'm on my way. I like to do things within 15 minutes of person posting. Did the same thing as I did the day before. I get to the location and room. I walk in. There is mature blonde chick in a mini skirt. She looked kinda weird but I never thought nothing of it. Then there is the other female who I scheduled with. SHe is mature as well but she is dressed like she is going to a job interview. I think nothing of it but odd. In kitchenette area you see a 12 pack of beer box. ON bed is 3 sets of bra and panties. On the nightstand is "anal toy" box. That was my observation of room setup. We start to have small talk conversation about where was I yesterday. I said I have a 30 minute or less rule. Then the question was asked do I have protection? I stated sure. She replies back good because I don; t think I have your size. She then ask me what outfit would you like me wear? I 'm like you don't have to do all that I'm a simple person. She then says lay the donation down on the counter, and get yourself comfortable while I go to the bathroom to freshen up. IN that split seconds I only had one shoe off, before 6 vice cops with guns drawn. Saying don't make a move. SO you know the rest is history. I get a citation to make a court appearance. At the same time the do a check on your license to see if you have any warrants. In my case I had none. SO I was released. During the process of checking for warrants. They asked me how many times you done this. Blah blah blah. Then I got the lecture about what diseases you may contract. After the process and released they informed me to not tell anyone because if I do they know how to find me.

Anyways I go to court. Get a public defender. Since its my first offense its a 3rd degree misdemeanor. YOu have to take a John School program, pay the fine, and get a letterhead form from your doctor or clinic stating you went to get a HIV / STD test. They don't care for the results just something saying you been to take one.

So all those scenarios you say be careful what you say, and exchanging of the money is nothing more than myth. Once you enter that room it is all pre-mediated.

I'm saying it because of experience. That's why now I'm more conscious in my intel.

[FolkArt]

Very lucky. Did you actually put the donation on the table like she asked? That would seem to me to be enough for the party to start.

I noticed one of the ads in another thread that was posted as a possible sting, the pictures looked like someone took a pic on a camera phone of a pic on a computer screen. Is this usually a giveaway that something isn't right? I've seen girls on PoF and OKC do that and I always pass right by them.

Yes I did set the donation down on the table. But, as far as I know, that is insufficient to arrest a potential John. You have to say you want a sex act.

When I meet a girl for the first time now I always say "this donation is just for time and companionship. Anything that happens between us after that is just between two consenting adults". I doubt that it is a guarantee that they won't bust you but it will make their case very difficult to prove in court, I think. Especially if you never talk about any sex acts.

[Redemption45]

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

That's all nice and dandy. But when you show up to the location there is "intent" You can bob and weave thru the conversation all you want. Your still going to be busted for the criminal intent. You came there for a reason. YOu can ask them any questions you want they don't have to be truthful. You went there with the INTENT of doing something illegal. That's all they care about.

[Amon777]

You are very astute. Being able to discern and identify all the tell tale signs with high attention to detail and recollect from memory is very impressive. Also being able to refrain from impulse and temptation in the moment. I will look for all these signs from now on in my mongering exploits. One of the most valuable and interesting posts I've ever come across on this forum and from a non senior member too.

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

[Member #5083]

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

Those are good points if you decide to take the plunge and see the girl you are considering in an ad. Previous posters said LE will bust you anyway, just for showing up. I know for sure if you ask them if they are with LE in the room, via text or during a phone conversation, they will lie and say no. The point you make about no physical displays of affection is a good one. That's the main one I go by. It happened to me twice. Once I laid down the donation and tried to give the girl a hug and she backed off. She did ask me what I wanted to do and I said let's just let things take their course. I immediately left without my donation after she backed off. The second time I left as soon as the girl backed off from giving me a hug when I entered the room. I did not lay down the donation this time. Neither girl was the girl in the ad but both were good looking enough that I didn't care. They could have been legal or they could have been an agency intending to upsell me. LE has been pretty good about posting ads where the pics cannot be traced to Chive, or another website or another BP ad, but you are right about the face pics because lately I have seen more LE ads you might see some scammer use which can easily be detected using Google Image. I am pretty sure I could design an ad using realistic pics, select the right hotel and write the script for the decoy to say, including the right responses to certain questions, that would fool myself. In the end, if they can bust you for showing up, then there is no way out, but if they cannot touch you and you need to say you want sex then only a naïve monger would get busted because those are 2 easy rules to follow. So guys, get that embrace and grab her ass when you enter the room and never say what you want to do until you are at least kissing or have her partially undressed.

[ThirdManAlive]

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

Very lucky. Did you actually put the donation on the table like she asked? That would seem to me to be enough for the party to start.

I noticed one of the ads in another thread that was posted as a possible sting, the pictures looked like someone took a pic on a camera phone of a pic on a computer screen. Is this usually a giveaway that something isn't right? I've seen girls on PoF and OKC do that and I always pass right by them.

[FolkArt]

Thanks Josh88 - that is good info to know.

This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.

[Redemption45]

Thanks Josh88 - that is good info to know.

Photos may changed but the number stays the same.

http://liveescortreviews.com/ad/colu...-8985/1/166156

[GManinOhio]

In light of Cerny's alert of a sting operation at the Courtyard, I thought it might be a good time to refresh the monger community of what to look out for in these ads. This particular one is fairly minimal but has some of the basic giveaways. Those being, the thicker than average girl, over the age of 30, and no face pic. What's missing is the low price of under 100. I am going to guess if you call you will be quoted something under a hundred for a hhr? Another giveaway is the Courtyard. I don't think LE likes to hang out in the budget hotels like most of our BP friends do. So, a hotel like the Marriott Courtyard is also usually a tipoff.

http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleE...58985/27238343

Thanks Josh88 - that is good info to know.

[Digger47]

I was talking about this one.

http://monaofohio.sexynclassy.com/gallery.htm

Best throat in cbus. I'm pretty sure she either retired or went on an extended vacation. If she went utr, I could use her new digits.

The Body Mechanic is not MONA. Her name is MONYA.

[TBobber]

Mona, as in Body Mechanic Mona? I've seen a few different women for body rubs and have always been tempted to try her.

I was talking about this one.

http://monaofohio.sexynclassy.com/gallery.htm

Best throat in cbus. I'm pretty sure she either retired or went on an extended vacation. If she went utr, I could use her new digits.

[Member #5083]

In light of Cerny's alert of a sting operation at the Courtyard, I thought it might be a good time to refresh the monger community of what to look out for in these ads. This particular one is fairly minimal but has some of the basic giveaways. Those being, the thicker than average girl, over the age of 30, and no face pic. What's missing is the low price of under 100. I am going to guess if you call you will be quoted something under a hundred for a hhr? Another giveaway is the Courtyard. I don't think LE likes to hang out in the budget hotels like most of our BP friends do. So, a hotel like the Marriott Courtyard is also usually a tipoff.

http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleE...58985/27238343

[BuckNut30]

Ok, if you guys won't speak up. Harley, the thin tattooed one, is very good, like you can feel it pop down her throat and see the bulge.

Britt, she was excellent, a true trooper, lots of saliva and she just kept going like a energizer bunny.

Best was Mona.

Mona, as in Body Mechanic Mona? I've seen a few different women for body rubs and have always been tempted to try her.

[TBobber]

This seemed like the forum for the question.

I'm trying to find a girl that can give and TAKE a serious DT. PM me if you aren't comfortable putting it out there.

Ok, if you guys won't speak up. Harley, the thin tattooed one, is very good, like you can feel it pop down her throat and see the bulge.

Britt, she was excellent, a true trooper, lots of saliva and she just kept going like a energizer bunny.

Best was Mona.