The Massholes

[Member #5013]

Where is all the haha hohos Deb? Talking shit isn't fun anymore? Hmm.

You do what you do:

Stupid posts, stroking lonely guys egos and eating cake and Twinkies.

I'll do what I do:

Busting balls and speaking the truth.

You complained about my review of you dividing the board members and tried to find out things about a fellow monger on your computer when I walked into your Beverly apartment. Then calling me a liar when I brought it up. So fuck you very much. Have a lovely day.

BB.

Also how do you tend to react when someone disagrees with you? Are you ever wrong and if you can you admit you are wrong? Also do you tend to hold a grudge forever or do you make amends and move on? Just curious.

[Skatar018]

What a fool.

Good come back, shows all kinds of evidence to backup your bullshit.

Common you can do better than that, I know you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc

[Skatar018]

I don't recall ever debating this issue (or any other issue) with you in the past, but whatever.

Perhaps not but there is this, though it's not an issue, least not to me

Skatar is right. Busted is busted. I once visited a very well-known, well-reviewed incall escort whom I had never seen before. When I left her place, Uncle Undercover was waiting in the parking lot for me. They knew exactly what I was doing there, and they were not fooling around. I managed to escape relatively unscathed, but they used every dirty trick in the book to try to get me to incriminate myself. They use these tactics all the time for incall busts, and it's surprising how effective they are. Lots of guys who have never had a LE encounter will sing like canaries when they think they can talk their way out of the situation.

What has this got to do with increased risk of getting busted? Sure, they all burn out in all venues, but that has little relation to overall risk.
An ad hominem argument: My personal comfort zone has nothing to do with actual risk.
No one ever said that the charge of sexual conduct for a fee was different from venue to venue. That's called a strawman argument. It has no relation to the issue of risk at all.
All one has to do is read a newspaper once in a while.
Meatman's street skills have nothing to do with the actual risk of SWers versus escorts. Another strawman argument that has nothing to with risk.
you wrote: "You can believe as you will, but the truth is that there is no difference in the risk associated from one venue to the next. ".
We will have to agree to disagree.

If you can not make the correlation of which has the greater risk from my past, present & most current posts then you are remiss in your cognitive skills, & that is your issue not mine.

In general LE in most major cities run 1 street sting a year, on occasion two a year.

In comparison local LE & State police run more escort hotel stings in a 3 month time frame than all the streetwalker stings combined in a year in the commonwealth.

The information used to state the above was gathered from posts here & other sites like this, the news media including tv, online, & yes the newspaper. They are teaming with prostitution stings with the vast majority being hotel escort stings.

While the source is not decisive proof of which is the greater risk venue, it is at least something, as definitive proof remains elusive.

If you or anyone else can show statistics or other proof of which venue has the greater risk associated with it, it would be most welcomed & appreciated.

Thanks for posting the below stings operations.

They hit providers in three different hotels: Motel 6, Holiday Inn, and the Residence Inn, all in Tewksbury. I'm sure that LEO's methodology is this: Go to Backpage. Type Tewksbury in the search field. See what ads come up. Start making appointments. All the more reason why providers need to screen all new clients and not put specific city / town names in ads. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Happened to be passing by TCM in Tooksberry today and noticed a bright orange sticker on the door. The Division of Industrial Accidents and harassment strikes again.

http://massagetroll.com/boston-massa...93&city=Boston

Couldn't get by their screening process: Gave my name, work phone, you name it; no dice. Gave up. They must have plenty of repeat business and don't need new customers.

http://reading-northreading.patch.co...ade-in-reading

http://tewksbury.patch.com/articles/...wksbury-motels

http://peabody.patch.com/articles/pe...titution-in-nh

http://www.wickedlocal.com/burlingto...#axzz27mI1kJip

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/ne...ing-in-Sudbury

Not a sting per se, but what would you have done?

http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnew...stitution-ring

Risk goes not only to one being busted but also to ones own saftey as well.

Lately in reading the forums there are a lot more risk incidents involving escorts than streetwalkers.

By & large & overall the risk associated from one venue to the next is about he same over the long run, even though to me there is more evidence showing a higher risk associated with the escorts.

Bottom line, no one wants to get busted, scammed, ripped-off or worse, regardless of the hobby they participate in, so it is the individuals responsibility to minimize their risk as best they can.

[Nrlmus]

What a fool.

Don't be mad just because you've been exposed through your own posts as the lying hypocritical SOB that you are.

All you do is go on & on about your opinionated bullshit without backup or even a little proof of what you say.

For the record (do your own research) there are more Escort stings throughout Mass & New England than there are street stings.

That correlation leads to the greater risk of being busted in Escort stings in comparison to street stings.

If you otherwise have proof that what I say & state is not correct then feel free to post it, or else just STFU.

Yeah right & according to you Gio777 should wait years before getting into the game, go smoke some more crack, fucking tard, do you really believe the bullshit you spew out of your mouth.

[Deb4512]

Also how do you tend to react when someone disagrees with you? Are you ever wrong and if you can you admit you are wrong? Also do you tend to hold a grudge forever or do you make amends and move on? Just curious.

[Member #5013]

At least this one was of interest to you, otherwise how could you respond to it? LOL Also I got no such message as you suggest when I pmed you.

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Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.

I thought you liked me.

It isn't that I do or do not like you, it's just that a lot of your posts are or were long & not of much interest to me.

Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.

And I just sent you some info on a new provider, damn.

Doubt it got through & you should've received a message to that effect, don't take it personal but I blocked you not too long after you started posting in Massholes. I have to click view your posts if I want to see them.

That's because of your incessant idiotic attention seeking posts that everyone still sees because your fat girl followers respond to.

How's life treating you Deb? LOL.

BB.

[Skatar018]

Don't be mad just because you've been exposed through your own posts as the lying hypocritical SOB that you are.

All you do is go on & on about your opinionated bullshit without backup or even a little proof of what you say.

For the record (do your own research) there are more Escort stings throughout Mass & New England than there are street stings.

That correlation leads to the greater risk of being busted in Escort stings in comparison to street stings.

If you otherwise have proof that what I say & state is not correct then feel free to post it, or else just STFU.

Yep, I knew that "dude" would be fine but calling you "bro" is going to have you hit ceiling LOL Some people just can't help themselves, can they now?

So I lied. Fucking sue me! I didn't lie about you being an idiot though. Just reading your bullshit below with all of those citations would get you a certificate. Gee, I mean, so much effort. Going back in time checking on all my posts! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if you have already been certified as a bonafide pure embodiment of stupidity. It's like finding a pure, really a 100% gold of not even 24 but rather of 25 karats without even a microscopic sprinkle of smarts. They should study you in a fucking lab brother (Gee I just called him "brother" - better call Saul!

I'm not even going to dignify your suggestion in regards to poor Gio777 not getting experience. Oh he'll be getting some experience alright if he follows your advise. A 4 walls and a warden type of experience. Depending on his status here he may even be getting his Coca-cola from ICE. Is that what you're trying to have happen to him? Because judging by everything that you wrote you really are trying hard. That by itself makes a total shit. But then again, you probably used to being that anyway.

Yeah right & according to you Gio777 should wait years before getting into the game, go smoke some more crack, fucking tard, do you really believe the bullshit you spew out of your mouth.

[Nrlmus]

Yep, I knew that "dude" would be fine but calling you "bro" is going to have you hit ceiling LOL Some people just can't help themselves, can they now?

So I lied. Fucking sue me! I didn't lie about you being an idiot though. Just reading your bullshit below with all of those citations would get you a certificate. Gee, I mean, so much effort. Going back in time checking on all my posts! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if you have already been certified as a bonafide pure embodiment of stupidity. It's like finding a pure, really a 100% gold of not even 24 but rather of 25 karats without even a microscopic sprinkle of smarts. They should study you in a fucking lab brother (Gee I just called him "brother" - better call Saul!

I'm not even going to dignify your suggestion in regards to poor Gio777 not getting experience. Oh he'll be getting some experience alright if he follows your advise. A 4 walls and a warden type of experience. Depending on his status here he may even be getting his Coca-cola from ICE. Is that what you're trying to have happen to him? Because judging by everything that you wrote you really are trying hard. That by itself makes a total shit. But then again, you probably used to being that anyway.

I can see you are a man of your word, but we can trust you right, right, I don't trust anything you say, & would never in real life trust you with anything as you've just proved that you can't keep your word.

Idiots like you always expose themselves for what & who they truly are.

I knew you were way back whenRead the posts, it was ok when you asked for the topic to be moved to another forum, but when I asked for the topic to be moved it wasn't ok according to you, showing just how much of a fucked-up hypocrtical SOB you really are.

You've still yet to learn that the forums are for posting reviews & I doubt you ever will.

The things that we post here can & usually does expose our character traits, yours leaves a lot to be desired to say the least.

Don't like you? I don't even know you (nor do I want to) & hell no there is no way am I fucking you.

That's just weird, even for you that's just really fucking strange.

I'm not your bro pea brain.

Take your head out of your ass & shove your advise (free or otherwise) up your arse.

BTW Einstein just how does Gio777 get experience sitting on the sidelines?

Maybe he can read this & see bow it goes



Mele Kalikimaka Masshole asshole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvGKUXW0iI

[Deb4512]

At least this one was of interest to you, otherwise how could you respond to it? LOL Also I got no such message as you suggest when I pmed you.

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Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.

I thought you liked me.

It isn't that I do or do not like you, it's just that a lot of your posts are or were long & not of much interest to me.

Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.

And I just sent you some info on a new provider, damn.

Doubt it got through & you should've received a message to that effect, don't take it personal but I blocked you not too long after you started posting in Massholes. I have to click view your posts if I want to see them.

[Skatar018]

Anyway, I said my piece. And Skatar I want to tell you one thing: I'm not getting into back-and-forth with you a la Massholes or Thunderdome. This is my last post on the issue. Best. Done.

I can see you are a man of your word, but we can trust you right, right, I don't trust anything you say, & would never in real life trust you with anything as you've just proved that you can't keep your word.

Idiots like you always expose themselves for what & who they truly are.

Dude you're either an idiot or an asshole or both. I suspected that much in the past but now I'm 100% sure.

I knew you were way back when

Hypocritical SOB!

Read the posts, it was ok when you asked for the topic to be moved to another forum, but when I asked for the topic to be moved it wasn't ok according to you, showing just how much of a fucked-up hypocrtical SOB you really are.

You've still yet to learn that the forums are for posting reviews & I doubt you ever will.

The things that we post here can & usually does expose our character traits, yours leaves a lot to be desired to say the least.

In addition you just personally don't like me and that's the only reason that you're fucking with me.

Don't like you? I don't even know you (nor do I want to) & hell no there is no way am I fucking you.

Everybody has their own perversions to deal with. I guess your perversion is me.

That's just weird, even for you that's just really fucking strange.

Whatever whatever bro.

I'm not your bro pea brain.

BTW here's a free advice from someone who's been around

Take your head out of your ass & shove your advise (free or otherwise) up your arse.

BTW Einstein just how does Gio777 get experience sitting on the sidelines?

Maybe he can read this & see bow it goes

What ever the venue be it strip clubs, swing clubs, MP's, SW'ers, CLCE, Escorts, CLCE, UTR's, Pros, Non-Pros, FWB, gang bangs, glory holes, adult theaters, or whatever turns that erotic switch on in your head, there is one thing that brings us back again & again, & that's Women & their assets!

Like anything else you get back what you put into a thing.

Do your due diligence, through research, recon, advise from others, reading on this & other sites & honing your skills to the dedication of pussy, & you will at least minimize your risks & increase your odds of success. Nothing is perfect & there is no teacher like the school of hard knocks & experience, but the same principles apply regardless of the venue.

Mele Kalikimaka Masshole asshole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvGKUXW0iI

[BillyPilgrim]

I'm "wrong as usual"?

I don't recall ever debating this issue (or any other issue) with you in the past, but whatever.

Sorry to say you are wrong as usual.

You wrote:

"I can't say how many well known escort providers I've seen crash & burn & it's the same for any aspect when selling sex is involved regardless of the venue, be it SWers, Escorts, AMPs, MPs, etc. ".

What has this got to do with increased risk of getting busted? Sure, they all burn out in all venues, but that has little relation to overall risk.

You wrote:

"Just because SWers or another venue is not within your comfort zone & you do not know how to work it as well as others that partake in that venue does not mean that the risk isn't the same, because it is. ".

An ad hominem argument: My personal comfort zone has nothing to do with actual risk.

You then wrote:

"As already stated busted is busted & carries the same criminal charges regardless of the venue you partake in. ".

No one ever said that the charge of sexual conduct for a fee was different from venue to venue. That's called a strawman argument. It has no relation to the issue of risk at all.

You wrote:

"I said it & yes it's the same & more people are busted in Escort stings than in street stings. ".

All one has to do is read a newspaper once in a while.

You wrote:

"There is a guy here that has walked the streets for 30-40 plus years here in various parts of the state, ask him about the risk assessment. ".

Meatman's street skills have nothing to do with the actual risk of SWers versus escorts. Another strawman argument that has nothing to with risk.

Finally you wrote:

"You can believe as you will, but the truth is that there is no difference in the risk associated from one venue to the next. ".

We will have to agree to disagree.

[Nrlmus]

Dude you're either an idiot or an asshole or both. I suspected that much in the past but now I'm 100% sure. In addition you just personally don't like me and that's the only reason that you're fucking with me. You put me on your "ignore" once before why don't you just do it again? Or is it that now you suddenly found yourself with too much time on your hands and decided that the best way to use it is to mess with me? Whatever. As they say, the source's been considered and whatever you say dude. Everybody has their own perversions to deal with. I guess your perversion is me. Whatever whatever bro.

BTW here's a free advice from someone who's been around: chill. Those nerve cells, they don't regenerate. Once they die, they're gone forever. The faster you empty them out of yourself, the faster you go to meet your maker. So preserve them. Move on.

Of course I know what I am talking about & as usual you are wrong yet again, got to give it to you though you never get tired of being wrong.

Same can be said (& I did say it) of streetwalking, matter of fact there are more incall stings than there are street stings.

Are you out of your fucking mind, tell us Mr knowitall just how in hell is driving around looking for SWers more dangerous to a newbie or any one else than going to an incall.

Christ man just read the forums if it's not a incall sting, they are full of boyfriends and other men or the girls robbing the clients & yes that also happens across every venue of this hobby.

Point is, one is not more dangerous or more risk taking the next, they all have risks associated with participating in the hobby.

Even the guys with 50 yrs experience had to have a start somewhere at one point in time.

You can not gain the experience sitting on the sidelines in any of these venues.

We also have no knowledge of what his experience is elsewhere, so while he may be new here it's doesn't mean he's new to the hobby itself.

Ahh yeah ok, have no idea what you mean by this, but whatever, providers don't care about his english communication skills, they care about the money in his pocket.

Don't forget the universal signals to communicate what you are looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sg-eAm4mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCbfmNuvw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCsxFlxBTd8

Again you have it wrong, that reply was to BillyPilgrim about risk assessment not to Gio777, so you've taken it out of context. At least I gave him some information & encouragement, unlike you that did not help but would rather discourage him from trying to participate.

No shit that's why I told him what I did, here read it again & try to pay attention & comprehend what it is you are reading



What the fuck are you smoking, it doesn't take years to learn how to in any part of this hobby, did it really take you years? WTF that's just messed up.

Just another speculative comment trying to scare people.

You must have crs disease (can't remember shit) there are all kinds of stings in & around Boston & the greater Boston area, get real.

Your right about that & so did Martha Coakley and her replacement Maura Healey, but it was to clean up the sex trade in general not just SWers on dot ave & BHA, but it also included reducing the crime rate in those areas.

That same reasoning & assessment can be applied to seeing any type of provider, as on an incall you never know what's behind the door.

The risk is about the same with picking up a girl off the street, getting caught in a street sting is just as slim, they both carry the same risk.
As for being 1-2 years away, again you're out of your mind if you believe that.

The only one fucked up here is you for trying to discourage him from trying to participate in streetwalkers.

Don't get me wrong I think he should see escorts also & other venues as well, as it makes one more rounded.

So tell you what, you take him to see a couple of well known escorts & I'll take him to see some well known streetwalkers that I know & see what he likes the best, otherhwise STFU.
You do realize that Gio777 has 3 posts all asking for help & you've replied to two, neither one of which were or are much help.

I guess we should all be impressed? Nope I don't care if you've lived on other planets you are just plain wrong here.

Good I like getting in the last word with you.
As already stated elsewhere, you & I do not see eye to eye on many things & never will.
Lets leave it at you believe you're right & I believe you're wrong & vise versa.

BTW I requested the posts to be moved here as this type of BS doesn't belong on the forums, welcome to Massholes asshole.

Last, as for ill intent, I have no ill intent on you or anyone else, but I will always be there to counter your unsubstantiated opinionated BS blather.

[Skatar018]

I thought you liked me.

It isn't that I do or do not like you, it's just that a lot of your posts are or were long & not of much interest to me.

And I just sent you some info on a new provider, damn

Doubt it got through & you should've received a message to that effect, don't take it personal but I blocked you not too long after you started posting in Massholes. I have to click view your posts if I want to see them.

[Skatar018]

No way Jose. You just don't know what you're talking about.

Of course I know what I am talking about & as usual you are wrong yet again, got to give it to you though you never get tired of being wrong.

First of all stings are few and far in between in relation to number of incalls out there.

Same can be said (& I did say it) of streetwalking, matter of fact there are more incall stings than there are street stings.

One cruiser driving around BHA is much more dangerous to a newbie hobbyist then visiting incalls, especially if that hobbyist is just "off the boat".

Are you out of your fucking mind, tell us Mr knowitall just how in hell is driving around looking for SWers more dangerous to a newbie or any one else than going to an incall.

Christ man just read the forums if it's not a incall sting, they are full of boyfriends and other men or the girls robbing the clients & yes that also happens across every venue of this hobby.

Point is, one is not more dangerous or more risk taking the next, they all have risks associated with participating in the hobby.

We're not talking about somebody with 20-40 year experience here.

Even the guys with 50 yrs experience had to have a start somewhere at one point in time.

You can not gain the experience sitting on the sidelines in any of these venues.

We also have no knowledge of what his experience is elsewhere, so while he may be new here it's doesn't mean he's new to the hobby itself.

We're talking about someone who just got arrived to the US. His English appears to be ok but how good we don't yet know.

Ahh yeah ok, have no idea what you mean by this, but whatever, providers don't care about his english communication skills, they care about the money in his pocket.

Don't forget the universal signals to communicate what you are looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sg-eAm4mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCbfmNuvw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCsxFlxBTd8

So to send him to study USG manuals on anything and to use SW hobbyist with 20-40 years of mongering experience in the United States as an example is irresponsible to say the least.

Again you have it wrong, that reply was to BillyPilgrim about risk assessment not to Gio777, so you've taken it out of context. At least I gave him some information & encouragement, unlike you that did not help but would rather discourage him from trying to participate.

No manual can substitute for the ability to feel the place where you're living

No shit that's why I told him what I did, here read it again & try to pay attention & comprehend what it is you are reading

All I can tell you is to read the rules for street mongering & the forums on SWers if that is your thing, make several dry runs to get more acquainted & comfortable with the area & scope out several places to do the deed.http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/cu...MongeringRules

by the way he posed his inquiry he is years from that.

What the fuck are you smoking, it doesn't take years to learn how to in any part of this hobby, did it really take you years? WTF that's just messed up.

If he goes around picking up girls on BHA he'd get busted by a meter maid.

Just another speculative comment trying to scare people.

Third, the guy is talking about BHA. I've been on this site for who knows how many years and I don't remember reading about too many stings conducted in the Boston area.

You must have crs disease (can't remember shit) there are all kinds of stings in & around Boston & the greater Boston area, get real.

I do remember reading and not only here but in regular press too about Mayor Walsh's desire to clean up the Dot and the BHA. He probably would be running for the Senate soon, so you know he's serious.

Your right about that & so did Martha Coakley and her replacement Maura Healey, but it was to clean up the sex trade in general not just SWers on dot ave & BHA, but it also included reducing the crime rate in those areas.

Here it's not like going to Brazil or Russia or Thailand where you don't have to hide your intentions. Here you do. And when you're out in the open looking around and don't know enough in order to pay attention to some lonely car with tainted windows inconspicuously parked in some autobody parking lot, you're easy pickings. At least on the Dot or BHA you are.

That same reasoning & assessment can be applied to seeing any type of provider, as on an incall you never know what's behind the door.

It wouldn't hurt for this guy to read SW manual. But until he begins to "feel" the Boston scene, and until he loses the fear of his new environment and we're talking about a year or two away here, he should avoid street scene like a plague and stick to incalls. Chances of him getting caught up in the incall sting are still pretty slim.

The risk is about the same with picking up a girl off the street, getting caught in a street sting is just as slim, they both carry the same risk.
As for being 1-2 years away, again you're out of your mind if you believe that.

I think suggesting to someone who just got off the boat that for him it would be safer to pick up SW then to visit incalls in Boston is screwed up and may even display ill intent.

The only one fucked up here is you for trying to discourage him from trying to participate in streetwalkers.

Don't get me wrong I think he should see escorts also & other venues as well, as it makes one more rounded.

So tell you what, you take him to see a couple of well known escorts & I'll take him to see some well known streetwalkers that I know & see what he likes the best, otherhwise STFU.
You do realize that Gio777 has 3 posts all asking for help & you've replied to two, neither one of which were or are much help.

As someone who myself went through immigrant experience here in Boston some 30-40 years ago and in his life was lucky enough to be able to live (not visit now but actually live) on 4 continents I feel very strongly about that. Best. Done.

I guess we should all be impressed? Nope I don't care if you've lived on other planets you are just plain wrong here.

Anyway, I said my piece. And Skatar I want to tell you one thing: I'm not getting into back-and-forth with you a la Massholes or Thunderdome. This is my last post on the issue.

Good I like getting in the last word with you.
As already stated elsewhere, you & I do not see eye to eye on many things & never will.
Lets leave it at you believe you're right & I believe you're wrong & vise versa.

BTW I requested the posts to be moved here as this type of BS doesn't belong on the forums, welcome to Massholes asshole.

Last, as for ill intent, I have no ill intent on you or anyone else, but I will always be there to counter your unsubstantiated opinionated BS blather.

[Deb4512]

Aww Skatar Thank gawd? And I just sent you some info on a new provider, damn. I thought you liked me. It's difficult not to post, but I'm trying my best and that post was around 5 days ago! I'm trying not to post except you tempt me so much! Ambrose is correct, I'm trying to stay off the board so a certain someone who doesn't like me will calm down. And Boston528, thanks for missing me babe. You all rock! Except for maybe one and I won't mention his name. Xoxo.

Skatar018.

Senior Member.

Posts: 1109.

Don't think so.

Quote Originally Posted by Ambrose.

If you're asking about Deb4512, she's not posting here anymore due to a couple of idiots giving her a bad time. Send her a pm to talk to her.

I'd say thank Gawd except she is still posting.

Quote Originally Posted by Deb4512.

I think decriminalization would be the way to go.

Couldn't stop her from posting if she was a quadriplegic. (I still have my hands babe, and my lovely mouth).