Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[Buster50]

That is scary but consider this. Magic Johnson got his wife pregnant. She never caught anything. Easy E had about 7 mistresses. None of them caught anything either. Still I wouldn't fuck with a hot girl that I knew had HIV, jsut saying, it maybe hard to catch. You just got to be unlucky.

All I know is that the last 5 girls I have been with have let me BBFS from the first to the 3rd visit. 3 CIP and they are popular. I play the roulette wheel and get tested regularly. 2 were Empire girls and last 2, rejuve and roses. No girl out there only does CFS. You are fooling yourselves.

[MongerZ]

Good point on the contrast.

That London story is interesting; back in 1987 an acquaintance said a girl he knew opened her speech with that same story, minus the location.

That is scary but consider this. Magic Johnson got his wife pregnant. She never caught anything. Easy E had about 7 mistresses. None of them caught anything either. Still I wouldn't fuck with a hot girl that I knew had HIV, jsut saying, it maybe hard to catch. You just got to be unlucky.

[Uki Eater]

I was just reading the fight thread and there was a discussion going on regarding unsafe sex practices and their impact on other mongers. I'd like to continue that discussion here where it belongs because I had some questions for other mongers.

First question: If you are a safe sex monger and you always wear a condom. Only engage in CBJ. Never Daty. Never DFK. Why do you even care what other mongers do? Aren't you therefore protected by your own safe sex practices?

Second question: If you are someone who is a safe sex fanatic. Are you turned on by providers like Rara at Emerald? She seems to fit the bill for a perfect provider of safe sex, but she is not seeing any great love from message board posters. It seems like the overwhelming majority (my guess is over 75% based on a thumb in the air guess) on this message board want at least one of the following services: BBBJ, DFK, DATY, BBFS.

I travel to the mainland quite a bit. Seems like there are lots of places where BBBJ and DFK is common place. DATY as well. CFS is pretty much standard everywhere with BBFS being very rare. Hawaii is a market that is unusual in the amount of BBFS offered. It's pretty taboo in most places.

It seems to me that with the prevalance of services offered that BBBJ in particular is not causing mass problems in the mongering market.

It's a mental thing that can bother a person if he decides to try a provider whom he thinks plays it safe. He can get turned off knowing that she did dfk / bbj / BBFS with other customers. He can choose to not dfk, not daty and do cfs to protect himself but, it's not the same because when he knows stuff about her, he's not as comfortable with the idea that she does that. Some guys want to see a female who plays it safe like they do, especially if she's an attractive looking girl. She's looked at as being more innocent and clean by not doing those things. Providers can look at customers in the same way. They can get turned off if they know certain things about a customer and what he expects.

To explain this in another way, a customer in a hostess bar perceives his BG that he likes as being innocent and sweet. She's not the type of BG to play. He likes her to be like that and don't care to get play from her and don't want her to be that type of BG. Later on, there are other customers who are trying to get play from her or bang her. The customer will feel bothered about that.

I can see Clinton P rant because there will be less all covered provider options out there and reduce the options to choose from. Those type of providers who they want to see who are known for being all covered will not stay for very long. The other customers who expect steak and lobster menu will chase and have chased those type of providers away. This is like BGS in a hostess bar expecting all customers to spend like high rollers because they had high roller customers spend on them. Doing this will chase the bar customers away who can't / don't want to spend like high roller customers. Now the bars slow because of that.

[Daionara]

If this makes you afraid of BBBJ, then you should move out of Hawaii. First of all, the article only showed one example of of transmission by oral sex. The rest of the cases were due to some other method of transmssion.

We have cases of flesh eating bacteria here in Hawaii. You are more likely to get it swimming in the ala wai canal than the type from oral sex.

With respect, the post was not meant to imply that you'd likely get flesh-eating bacterial infection via oral sex. More like a tongue in cheek response to the question of what types of diseases you can get from oral sex. Although a few on the board actively seek BBFS, many more seek BBBJ with the general thought that it's a calculated risk they are willing to take. Knowing of this case should not compel anyone to change their opintion of whether they want to engage in BBBJ but is one piece of the many pieces of information that one could use to make that determination. Peace.

[Goser]

Yikes! Rethinking bbjtc.

http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/08...acteria-cases/

If this makes you afraid of BBBJ, then you should move out of Hawaii. First of all, the article only showed one example of of transmission by oral sex. The rest of the cases were due to some other method of transmssion.

We have cases of flesh eating bacteria here in Hawaii. You are more likely to get it swimming in the ala wai canal than the type from oral sex.

[Daionara]

Yikes! Rethinking bbjtc.

http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/08...acteria-cases/

[DrMajikLuv69]

Great points; I am nominating your essay for an USASG Award.

What folk are missing here is not all germs are equal for everybody. TBH lot of us don't really care short of the deadly ones and even then like I said on that other thread, transmission rates are low for them. Also let's not pretend this is a provider or sex industry problem only, in all cases but two I know for sure I have caught my STI's from non-providers. To H Mobius point it's a fair rationalization if if you are a provider to equate certain germs with death (no anal or vaginal bareback) while same time sucking gallons of semen a day (as those other germs are simply lost income if you don't do), once you do that you can claim you are "safe" just fine because safe means death or no death, not STI or not STI. As a monger it's also a fair rationalization that "safe" sex equates only shit you can reasonably catch death from (anal receiving and if you are really risk adverse, vaginal / anal insertion) hence you are practicing "safe" as long as you CFS even though you DFK, DATY / O, receive BBBJ, etc.

I find it amusing (having mongered around the world now) how insane Americans are about STI's, especially the non deadly type. Wrap your shit for anal / vaginal, get routinely tested every three months for the non-deadly shit even if no symptoms (it's affordable or if not for you, go stand in line at Diamond Head Clinic), and treat as necessary or when possible (I. E. Sure you can't treat HPV nor HSV-1/2 but face it, we all already got that in this business and hell probably from non-providers even). I find a lot of American mongers simply aren't open with their primary care physician about their lifestyle which is stupid, let them know you a monger and need routine checking, they don't really care TBH, it's all chargeable services to them (same with getting Viagra, never had a problem getting by simply being up front about it). Now I will warn you in Hawaii your PCP is required by law to notify your spouse if you are hot for ANY STI so highly recommend you find a "second" PCP that you use for your mongering only (nothing against the law having two PCP's and insurance is fine with that also; got three myself as I compartmentalize stuff) and with your monger PCP just lie (also not illegal) and say you are single, no kids, no spouse, etc which works fine as long as you are getting insurance not via your spouses plan and let's be honest here, most men aren't as we are usually the primary earner. If on spouse insurance, well hell the free clinic and Life Foundation are your new best friend.

Or simply get used to enjoying covered everything dental dams and all at which point I might as well stay home and get a pocket pussy.

I'm not knocking on folk here, do what you want but blows my mind how American mongers equivocate catching a cold with rabies; they simply aren't in the same ballpark regardless if you can catch both via getting bit (or sex in our STI case).

As for you Goser on your first question it's called petty jealousy and envy / bitterness. Some mongers simply get upset that they are too scared to DFK that girl they just paid $$$ because they worried another monger just busted a nut in that ten minutes ago and put that feeling of inadequacy on the other mongers as opposed to themselves. Now I'm not one to say I like sloppy seconds because I don't (and it's why you will rarely see me monger at night or weekends in the AMP's unless I'm hammered) but same time for all you know your girlfriend or wife was just sucking some dude also right before you walked in (and yes that happens, I've been the other man and intentionally busted a nut right before chick went home to her man for some "loving" If that shit bothers you then you need to treat the sex industry like the WWF and if you can't suspend your disbelief it ain't for you.

[Lomion]

What folk are missing here is not all germs are equal for everybody. TBH lot of us don't really care short of the deadly ones and even then like I said on that other thread, transmission rates are low for them. Also let's not pretend this is a provider or sex industry problem only, in all cases but two I know for sure I have caught my STI's from non-providers. To H Mobius point it's a fair rationalization if if you are a provider to equate certain germs with death (no anal or vaginal bareback) while same time sucking gallons of semen a day (as those other germs are simply lost income if you don't do), once you do that you can claim you are "safe" just fine because safe means death or no death, not STI or not STI. As a monger it's also a fair rationalization that "safe" sex equates only shit you can reasonably catch death from (anal receiving and if you are really risk adverse, vaginal / anal insertion) hence you are practicing "safe" as long as you CFS even though you DFK, DATY / O, receive BBBJ, etc.

I find it amusing (having mongered around the world now) how insane Americans are about STI's, especially the non deadly type. Wrap your shit for anal / vaginal, get routinely tested every three months for the non-deadly shit even if no symptoms (it's affordable or if not for you, go stand in line at Diamond Head Clinic), and treat as necessary or when possible (I. E. Sure you can't treat HPV nor HSV-1/2 but face it, we all already got that in this business and hell probably from non-providers even). I find a lot of American mongers simply aren't open with their primary care physician about their lifestyle which is stupid, let them know you a monger and need routine checking, they don't really care TBH, it's all chargeable services to them (same with getting Viagra, never had a problem getting by simply being up front about it). Now I will warn you in Hawaii your PCP is required by law to notify your spouse if you are hot for ANY STI so highly recommend you find a "second" PCP that you use for your mongering only (nothing against the law having two PCP's and insurance is fine with that also; got three myself as I compartmentalize stuff) and with your monger PCP just lie (also not illegal) and say you are single, no kids, no spouse, etc which works fine as long as you are getting insurance not via your spouses plan and let's be honest here, most men aren't as we are usually the primary earner. If on spouse insurance, well hell the free clinic and Life Foundation are your new best friend.

Or simply get used to enjoying covered everything dental dams and all at which point I might as well stay home and get a pocket pussy.

I'm not knocking on folk here, do what you want but blows my mind how American mongers equivocate catching a cold with rabies; they simply aren't in the same ballpark regardless if you can catch both via getting bit (or sex in our STI case).

As for you Goser on your first question it's called petty jealousy and envy / bitterness. Some mongers simply get upset that they are too scared to DFK that girl they just paid $$$ because they worried another monger just busted a nut in that ten minutes ago and put that feeling of inadequacy on the other mongers as opposed to themselves. Now I'm not one to say I like sloppy seconds because I don't (and it's why you will rarely see me monger at night or weekends in the AMP's unless I'm hammered) but same time for all you know your girlfriend or wife was just sucking some dude also right before you walked in (and yes that happens, I've been the other man and intentionally busted a nut right before chick went home to her man for some "loving" If that shit bothers you then you need to treat the sex industry like the WWF and if you can't suspend your disbelief it ain't for you.

[H Mobius]

They get their horny moments where they give into it. They may say they don't do certain things at the moment, but can't guarantee to stand by what they say when the time comes. Mongers do the same thing. Some guy may say he doesn't do DATY but, the girl was too fine where he couldn't help himself.

Yes, but I mean to say that while a girl is extremely adamant about only allowing penetration while covered, she will instead gladly suck it uncovered. The "germs" she worries about will only enter her body through a different route, though she insists on being "safe".

[Blake123]

I think its kinda funny that some guys insist on CFS, yet also insist on DFK, DATO, DATY and BBBJ. Just my 2 cents! It's like they think they're safe.

Perhaps this may explain?

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

[Uki Eater]

I think the same thing, when the girl insists she wants to be safe but will suck a bare penis and even take the ejaculate. Nirvana Julie was the only one I knew who refused all fluid exchange.

They get their horny moments where they give into it. They may say they don't do certain things at the moment, but can't guarantee to stand by what they say when the time comes. Mongers do the same thing. Some guy may say he doesn't do DATY but, the girl was too fine where he couldn't help himself.

[H Mobius]

I think its kinda funny that some guys insist on CFS, yet also insist on DFK, DATO, DATY and BBBJ. Just my 2 cents! It's like they think they're safe.

I think the same thing, when the girl insists she wants to be safe but will suck a bare penis and even take the ejaculate. Nirvana Julie was the only one I knew who refused all fluid exchange.

[H Mobius]

I was just reading the fight thread and there was a discussion going on regarding unsafe sex practices and their impact on other mongers. I'd like to continue that discussion here where it belongs because I had some questions for other mongers.

First question: If you are a safe sex monger and you always wear a condom. Only engage in CBJ. Never Daty. Never DFK. Why do you even care what other mongers do? Aren't you therefore protected by your own safe sex practices?

Herpes, crabs, and skin infections can still be transmitted; who knows what else.

There is always risk; this hobby is not for guys who get pissed at what goes on when they're not there, what their girl does with other guys who did other things with other girls, or are otherwise unable to deal with the realities of the the world of prostitution.

[Member #5810]

I was just reading the fight thread and there was a discussion going on regarding unsafe sex practices and their impact on other mongers. I'd like to continue that discussion here where it belongs because I had some questions for other mongers.

First question: If you are a safe sex monger and you always wear a condom. Only engage in CBJ. Never Daty. Never DFK. Why do you even care what other mongers do? Aren't you therefore protected by your own safe sex practices?

Second question: If you are someone who is a safe sex fanatic. Are you turned on by providers like Rara at Emerald? She seems to fit the bill for a perfect provider of safe sex, but she is not seeing any great love from message board posters. It seems like the overwhelming majority (my guess is over 75% based on a thumb in the air guess) on this message board want at least one of the following services: BBBJ, DFK, DATY, BBFS.

I travel to the mainland quite a bit. Seems like there are lots of places where BBBJ and DFK is common place. DATY as well. CFS is pretty much standard everywhere with BBFS being very rare. Hawaii is a market that is unusual in the amount of BBFS offered. It's pretty taboo in most places.

It seems to me that with the prevalance of services offered that BBBJ in particular is not causing mass problems in the mongering market.

I think its kinda funny that some guys insist on CFS, yet also insist on DFK, DATO, DATY and BBBJ. Just my 2 cents! It's like they think they're safe.

[Goser]

I was just reading the fight thread and there was a discussion going on regarding unsafe sex practices and their impact on other mongers. I'd like to continue that discussion here where it belongs because I had some questions for other mongers.

First question: If you are a safe sex monger and you always wear a condom. Only engage in CBJ. Never Daty. Never DFK. Why do you even care what other mongers do? Aren't you therefore protected by your own safe sex practices?

Second question: If you are someone who is a safe sex fanatic. Are you turned on by providers like Rara at Emerald? She seems to fit the bill for a perfect provider of safe sex, but she is not seeing any great love from message board posters. It seems like the overwhelming majority (my guess is over 75% based on a thumb in the air guess) on this message board want at least one of the following services: BBBJ, DFK, DATY, BBFS.

I travel to the mainland quite a bit. Seems like there are lots of places where BBBJ and DFK is common place. DATY as well. CFS is pretty much standard everywhere with BBFS being very rare. Hawaii is a market that is unusual in the amount of BBFS offered. It's pretty taboo in most places.

It seems to me that with the prevalance of services offered that BBBJ in particular is not causing mass problems in the mongering market.