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[MidgetMac87]

If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.

[InHawaii]

As we can speculate for the foreseeable future as to why Empire at the moment is unavailable, perhaps another approach is in order. If the current situation had anything to do with the forum, Feds, unhappy customer only Ivy knows for sure. Instead of guessing or worse engaging in bilge, how about embracing what was. A great collection of wonderful women that gave above and beyond incredible service on a consistent basis. A owner who did her part to make sure our experiences were great. I myself will be agog that this experience will someday return. Until then, I will revel in the fantastic memories and mental pictures of the beautiful women it was my pleasure to meet. Not trying to be discommodious, just giving my opinion.

[Poofie]

ATF. For operating a bar without a license LOL.

[Bikini]

Could be unhhappy john. Tho unlikely. But lets continue with this from left field. Unhappy john reports drugs at said place. And fed agency lets say dea comes by for a visit.

Its happened before and probly won't be the last. I'm personally hopin that's the case and the empire cums and strikes back.

That's plausable. There were reports that she was refusing newbies. So Unhappy Newby decides "If can't get in, nobody gets in".

[Poofie]

Well it could very well be that they just closed on their own. Or it could be they are temporarily closed, who knows. I haven't seen anything but hypothetical fantasy as yet. Theres one thing about ICE that anyone who knows anything knows. An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. Well no body else is getting busted and no body else is even going into hiding. Some of the well established houses and new ones as well have very smart wired in mamas / owners and you can trust in their actions that they would know if something is going on, just like they did last time. ICE is very public about its successes. One secret raid on one place makes no sense. Others that know Ivy as well as I have can chime in to but, I am fairly certain Ivy was naturalized. I believe she initially left China for school in Canada then went to the US and has been a citizen for quite some time. Many of the girls especialy recently were for sure not on Visas too. Luxx, Wara, Nana, Rachel, Sayumi, Amy, Sugar and more all have green cards. Not a very juicy target for ICE. All this talk of Homeland Security is bullshit.

Could be unhhappy john. Tho unlikely. But lets continue with this from left field. Unhappy john reports drugs at said place. And fed agency lets say dea comes by for a visit.

Its happened before and probly won't be the last. I'm personally hopin that's the case and the empire cums and strikes back.

[MuffinStuffer]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?

Well it could very well be that they just closed on their own. Or it could be they are temporarily closed, who knows. I haven't seen anything but hypothetical fantasy as yet. Theres one thing about ICE that anyone who knows anything knows. An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. Well no body else is getting busted and no body else is even going into hiding. Some of the well established houses and new ones as well have very smart wired in mamas / owners and you can trust in their actions that they would know if something is going on, just like they did last time. ICE is very public about its successes. One secret raid on one place makes no sense. Others that know Ivy as well as I have can chime in to but, I am fairly certain Ivy was naturalized. I believe she initially left China for school in Canada then went to the US and has been a citizen for quite some time. Many of the girls especialy recently were for sure not on Visas too. Luxx, Wara, Nana, Rachel, Sayumi, Amy, Sugar and more all have green cards. Not a very juicy target for ICE. All this talk of Homeland Security is bullshit.

[Lomion]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?

Will if it really happened most likely because political hay is rarely made off Federal raids into mom and pop shops. Nobody gets votes for "Small local minority female owned business raided by Federal agency for supposed accounting and tax filing irregularities".

CC makes news because it was both the locals and lot of shops. BP stings make news because BP for under microscope. Nobody really cares about Empire other than us and tax accountants.

[Bikini]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?

[HeineHeine]

The difference being that I told Harry he didn't know what he was saying on a designated fight thread. I also did not post it in blue so it was just me the guy, not the mod talking, Harry is 100% free to call me a fucking idiot in return if he wishes to. There are no reviews here, this is where you take shit like that, you didn't, you didn't do it more than once, now you're moderated.

If it seems complicated think of it like this. If we are both members of a boxing gym and we climb into the ring at the gym and flail away at each other and I bust your nose, I'm not going to jail. However, if we are both members of that same gym and I see you at a coffee shop and punch you in the nose, well then it's off to the grey bar hotel.

A2

Well message recieved. On another note, I thank you for this forum because it has saved me much frustration and money, wasted time. The group doesn't have to repeat the same mistakes and it keeps a checks and balances on ripoff artists. Me and my brother got ripped off / bait and switched in Vegas many, many years ago. I thank God that he didn't escalate the situation at the time, and that fancy pro will never no what a beast my bro can be. Never underestimate someone when money and ego / pride is involved. " once the money's in my hand, it don't go back" and even better "I can call my guy right now, do you guys want to deal with him?" this ripoff girl had ice water in her veins, if she was scared she never showed it. And at least I got a fun story to tell out of the event. Anywho, your forum helps prevent that shit, so thanks. Hh.

[ShaggyDoo]

Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.

That department also covers, immigration. There's a big difference in charges if Vanilla or Hapa Jasmine gets busted, then young little "Mai I Fuk you" that's only here on a tourist VISA. Ones a local misdemeanor, and the other is a. You get my drift.

[Admin2]

I remarked on someone's post a long time ago and got placed on permanent modification. I didn't cuss or call names, tho I doubt repeating what I did say would help my case at this time. But not knowing, I read responses like this and thot I was in bounds as far as community standards. Now my relevant reviews and bon mots take so long that the topic is already outdated and buried. And that makes me sad. Hh.

The difference being that I told Harry he didn't know what he was saying on a designated fight thread. I also did not post it in blue so it was just me the guy, not the mod talking, Harry is 100% free to call me a fucking idiot in return if he wishes to. There are no reviews here, this is where you take shit like that, you didn't, you didn't do it more than once, now you're moderated.

If it seems complicated think of it like this. If we are both members of a boxing gym and we climb into the ring at the gym and flail away at each other and I bust your nose, I'm not going to jail. However, if we are both members of that same gym and I see you at a coffee shop and punch you in the nose, well then it's off to the grey bar hotel.

A2

[MuffinStuffer]

Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.

See the Showtime show title fluff that you add is a buffer that you don't realize you create and it always equals bullshit. When someone is making a story up they always try to give additional details that 'distract to vindicate'. Pretty typical of juvenile fish stories.

[MuffinStuffer]

Admin2, I'm not sure if you are the actualy webmaster of this website because the following information will be somewhat technical in nature to explain to you that the government has more than just an email address to pinpoint someone to "verify" who it was that posted online. But, with all due respect, this isn't meant to challenge you in anyway. I just wanted to help some folks out by putting some less known knowledge out into the open about technologies and what we can do to prevent myself. Please do not take my responses to heart.

Okay, lets start with the easy shit. We all use some sort of the internet device to connect to this website. There are usually several things that most people on the internet know, they are probably IP address, MAC address and such. To explain networking, I can start either from the Server side (AKA this website hosting company, or server), or I can start from the User side aka YOU.

Let us start from the user side because that is probably more relevant to you, if you get bored just move on and start jacking off elsewhere, this is for people who is somewhat technical in nature and has a genuine desire to learn about how to be as unidentifable as possible. (there is reason I didn't use anonymous because I feel that is simply impossible).

User has typically two ways, a mobile device (smartphone, tablets, etc.) or a computer (desktop, laptop). All of these will need to connect to either, LAN, wifi, or mobile network to get online. Most likely, you will also connect to a router or hotspot router, and in turn connect you to the internet. I lot of shit happens in the middle on this end already before you even get to the internet, your MAC address is recorded by the router, and for most user MAC address is bound to each individual devices and can identify you. However you can do a MAC spoofing to prevent that, that is low level shit and many people know that.

On a mobile network level, triangulation can be used to identify you down to about 20 meters of your location if the conditions are right. This identifies where you are and at what time. There is no way to prevent that because triagulation is by nature how cell phone towers are used to communicate with your mobile device.

Then, you hop onto the internet and you go through you ISP, then mainframe network, and usually can be as much as like 10-30 jumps, to get to your final destination, I. E this website. All those jumps record who you are, your IP and such in a log that is sometimes called metadata. All these happen without you knowing at the speed of light.

Then, you get the website. Now website, keeps a log, like this website, there is a log going on somewhere in the database. These databases are "secure" to a certain level, but by no means are they hack proof. Since we are talking about hack, I really doubt if there are things that are unhackable in this world. Yes, even computers that are offline from network is hackable as Snowden has shown us in official government slides that he revealed, LOL.

The log has your IP, your time, the pages you accessed, and so on.

Now, government can subpoena such records when approved by a judge during major investigation. If this website is hosting in a country like Russia or China or some other jurisdiction who completely ignores these requests, it is all good, if not, another redbook incident is theoritically possible.

Okay, if you thought, alright I know this shit already what else you got? Here we go into some more lesser known shit.

I mentioned metadata before, well it has come to light to many security researchers that these metadata can identify you across the entire internet.

Instead of me going and explain what it is, I will just link you to wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Basically, your machine that you use tells the world who you are. One of the most surprising is known as canvas fingerprinting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_fingerprinting

What this is basically, a unique metadata that your graphics card draws is send as an indentifier across the internet, which is unique just to your device regardless of what OS you use, or you have cleaned or reinstalled. It is a hardware generated fingerprint that websites use to identify you.

I can go on and on with how to uniquely identify you, and there are ways to counter it. One of the methods I suggest is to use TAILS. But that conversation goes beyond what I intend with this post, just PM for more info.

Okay, so admin2, I hope that you already knew about all of these nasty hidden shit that goes on with the internet and so the LE has more tools than we think to identify us and can put as evidence to court. The problem here is if a case is serious enough to use this, it wouldn't be public knowledge so I have no verifiable data to suggest that these evidences is widely used to prosecute people. However, I rather be safe than sorry, thus for the all the bros out there, keep an open mind please.

P.S. if you ever wonder how in the world does google map or your browser locate you on a desktop or laptop with no GPS chip such accurately? Well, actually it is your surrounding wifi that is given you off. You see there is a world of database of all the router MAC addresses with google and other big search engines and they triangulate the data using your own wifi receiver of your nearby wifi routers and thus display where the fuck you are. if you turn off your wifi receiver and just use LAN, google map cannot know where you are :-)

You give LE way too much credit. You are generally full of shit. Its pretty clear you don't understand how LE and Prosecutorial Bodies operate.

[MuffinStuffer]

Yes I have a degree in computer science, I know what you're talking about.

However you talk about capabilities and I talk about probabilities.

Your mac address is indeed attached to every packet that leaves your device but this is still protected data. A warrant is needed for the cops to LEGALLY take your data.

We are indeed outside of the USA, both us and our servers.

While nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is hidden from the NSA, we aren't talking about domestic terrorism here, we are talking about HPD and a misdemeanor prostitution charge. That would be why Silk Road got taken down and after 16 years and 2,000,000 posts nothing on this forum has ever been used as evidence. The shit that you're talking about doesn't come cheap, elite hackers like that are expensive as hell and HPD isn't going to put out the money to get evidence they cannot use because it was ILLEGALLY obtained. What they are going to do is look at BP ads for chicks offering massage that dress really hot, then they are going to stick an undercover outside the MP and see if 99% of the people going in are old fat guys. If they are, then they are going to send an old fat guy in and see if he gets a handie, if he does, then they bust it.

It didn't happen because somebody is following you around running wireshark against your phone.

Precisely. Basically he is a drama queen. Again its entertaining for him. Him knowing about how ISPs can be tracked and how he believes that makes him an expert in criminal law is beyond me.

Digital forensics and prosecution pretty much only will work in a 1 way configuration and then usually only when it comes to terrorism and in some cases child endangerment, to catch a predator types. 1 way configuration being the 1 side is the perp and being lured by LE. Even then it usually ends at a probably cause detention / arrest. People who post of terror related sites most often don't get prosecuted because Speech is Speech. Unless there is something directly tying you to an action its almost never a crime. To catch a predator types always go to the next level where they show up for the meet, sometimes having paraphernalia related to abuse (duct tape, rope, etc) and also sometimes having prior records for the same type of crimes. Now in a 2 way configuration where both sides are conspiring, there is almost nothing you can be caught on. There is no single case on record that used TER, Redbook, USASG, ********* posts as evidence. They have utilized the same for intelligence gathering and stings. That part is positively true.

[HeineHeine]

You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.

I remarked on someone's post a long time ago and got placed on permanent modification. I didn't cuss or call names, tho I doubt repeating what I did say would help my case at this time. But not knowing, I read responses like this and thot I was in bounds as far as community standards. Now my relevant reviews and bon mots take so long that the topic is already outdated and buried. And that makes me sad. Hh.