"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

So yesterday the virgin decided that we are not going to be having anymore sex. She asked for a little money and I told her no way. I spent enough already. Our 8 official dates came out to almost $$ per FC visit. I told her that was enough and if she just wanted to show her gratitude for everything I already did, then fine. But no more cash.

I have only been spending like .1 a day since she got back so she can eat. I have already planned four dates for the weekend (knowing maybe 2 could flake). But two are for sure. So she can just stay here till whenever as long as she stays out of my way. All she has to do is leave for a couple hours when the girls show up. And there is plenty to do and see in hollywood. So she can be a tourist for a bit while I am busy. We are all good. No drama. And I like having her around just to lighten the mood around here.

[HollywoodGuy]

Tell me about emotional risk. My SB and I after several months of seeing each other had the "exclusive" conversation. We also barebacked for the first time last night. It was my first bareback session in 6 years. I performed for about two hours straight and had to fight off saying the "L" word during pillow talk. There's something about a 23 year old spinner, and a soaking wet vagina covering your penis that makes you emotionally vulnerable. LOL.

Yesterday I decided to confront my ATF about her feelings of despair because I am not and will never be her official BF. I tell her I love her everyday and vise versa. I caught her on FB talking about her IRL BF. I did not confront her with that, just the overall situation. You are never going to have the insane over the top sex with a SB if you don't get to the I love you stage. Even if you both know its just play acting. Because in the moment it can still feel real. Just MHO.

[JZLizard]

Been out of the bowl for 10 mths now due to warden issues. The itch got to me and I set up a new profile on SA and contacted a bunch of women, including a profile w / o a picture. She messaged back and we exchanged emails and she sent a hot pic, no face shown. Hmmm I thought. I used her name and email to do a background check, and with her name got 1 person, a college student out of state with a recent DUI. Usually I get facebook twitter etc. Again Hmmm, she sent me a number to text / call her, and burnt up my email. When I checked the number, got no name attached. But the address showed up as the local sheriff's office. Needless to say, I closed my account.

Food for thought for the paranoid amongst us. Maybe it is god telling me enough already. I certainly have had my share.

With my method of no up front money discussion, this kind of thing becomes a complete non-issue. So maybe it is a cop with a fake pic, who cares if you haven't broken the law? It completely liberates you to focus on other things.

I've found linking phone numbers to addresses to be completely unreliable due to rapid turnover of burner phone and other disposable phone numbers so that part wouldn't concern me enough to hold off for a meeting.

I'm not sure the lack of FB / twitter is really a red flag. I like to research them a little before hand, but some girls will use fake names, etc. A lot of them exclude their face from sexy (nude or semi nude etc.) pics, but it's not unreasonable to ask for a normal pic showing face, assuming you've sent one of yourself. I wouldn't meet her without that, because she could send a pic of anyone then a hog shows up for the M&G, wasting time.

[Beachesnole02]

Been out of the bowl for 10 mths now due to warden issues. The itch got to me and I set up a new profile on SA and contacted a bunch of women, including a profile w / o a picture. She messaged back and we exchanged emails and she sent a hot pic, no face shown. Hmmm I thought. I used her name and email to do a background check, and with her name got 1 person, a college student out of state with a recent DUI. Usually I get facebook twitter etc. Again Hmmm, she sent me a number to text / call her, and burnt up my email. When I checked the number, got no name attached. But the address showed up as the local sheriff's office. Needless to say, I closed my account.

Food for thought for the paranoid amongst us. Maybe it is god telling me enough already. I certainly have had my share.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

I like pussy as much as the next guy, but I also like adventure, and can afford the time and the money to have one now and again. Its the 99% of guys that are all on the other threads that really are just too conservative. Yes there is plenty of risk that they take. Especially if they like walkers. This is a totally different kind of risk. There is more emotion being risked here by both parties than anything else.

Tell me about emotional risk. My SB and I after several months of seeing each other had the "exclusive" conversation. We also barebacked for the first time last night. It was my first bareback session in 6 years. I performed for about two hours straight and had to fight off saying the "L" word during pillow talk. There's something about a 23 year old spinner, and a soaking wet vagina covering your penis that makes you emotionally vulnerable. LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

Ok, I misread some of your posts or maybe missed a few, my bad -- it happens. I do think her behavior as I've read it is very unlike someone who just lost their virginity, but that's just an outsider opinion only and you know what they say about opinions.

Its like when I fucked my church girl in the ass on our second date. I was like "babe, this is awesome, but daddys big dick just slid all the way up in there, how is that possible"?

(as she said her ass was virgin)

She said, "oh I've been practicing with my toy". So who the f knows. LOL.

[JZLizard]

She was a virgin to having a dick in her. Was anything else ever in there. Maybe. But at this point she has told me about every person she has ever been with and what they did sexually. Very little. We did fuck once.

Ok, I misread some of your posts or maybe missed a few, my bad -- it happens. I do think her behavior as I've read it is very unlike someone who just lost their virginity, but that's just an outsider opinion only and you know what they say about opinions.

[JZLizard]

Okay lets not get in a pissing match about semantics. Huh? Industry? What do you call George Soros' work where he can make money whatever fluctuations in the market, currencies, and precious metals flow up or down? That is what I was talking about. I wasn't attacking you. You're wound too tight today/tonight. That's a sign you need more pussy.

Not wound tight, and my supply of pussy is the same as it is every day. I didn't think you were attacking me at all, nor was I remotely bothered. I just said it's not the place for politics. Take it elsewhere.

[HollywoodGuy]

I like pussy as much as the next guy, but I also like adventure, and can afford the time and the money to have one now and again. Its the 99% of guys that are all on the other threads that really are just too conservative. Yes there is plenty of risk that they take. Especially if they like walkers. This is a totally different kind of risk. There is more emotion being risked here by both parties than anything else.

[HollywoodGuy]

F Scott:

I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.

There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.

You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.

I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.

If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.

She was a virgin to having a dick in her. Was anything else ever in there. Maybe. But at this point she has told me about every person she has ever been with and what they did sexually. Very little. We did fuck once.

But like today. I cant really walk, just took a pain pill and she isnt the least bit annoying. She stopped spending any of my cash and actually eats on 10 dollars a day. I imagine she will be gone in a day or two.. but if not. she is willing to leave when I have a date, and I have three potentially lined up for the weekend. She is talking to both her parents regularly to figure out her situation.

[HollywoodGuy]

F Scott:

I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.

There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.

You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.

I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.

If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.

With minimal knowledge she could rob me blind. Thats not what going on here. She is a sweet and innocent girl with family nearby that just has a little adventure streak in her.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood,

I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.

WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.

Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.

The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!

Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.

Stay strong my brother.

Scott.

There is nothing illegal about living with an 18 year old. And I have been with hundreds of women in my life. She is as cool a person as you would ever want to meet. I trust my gut. And actually do not have any reservations at all. We are just not a lust match.

[Mike7794]

I wasn't speaking about any one industry, I was saying that my line of work is somewhat versatile in the sense I can pump money out of whatever is on politically. If we are creating frivolous wars with countries based on trumped up falsehoods, I can shift my focus to the DoD or wherever money is being spent. If we are focusing on being a "green" nation I can shift my focus there and make money that way. That's all I meant.

If I were going to extend this discussion, I would just summarize by saying take a look at a historical graph of the stock market during the Bush era versus during the Obama era, and tell me which one looks more "bipolar"? There is and always has been a lot of artificial manipulation of the stock market. The stock market itself, and the fact that it causes these organizations to care more about what they can present to their shareholders at the quarterly dog and pony show is one of the biggest problems in itself. It has encouraged a level of short-term thinking that is starting to show its flaws. The business methods that the good ole boy network got comfortable with were not sustainable and not able to adapt to a changing world. It seems Karl Marx was right in that capitalism inevitably destroys itself over the long haul. We are all going to have to face the fact that what does and doesn't work is going to change more rapidly than it did in the past, it's changing more rapidly for us than it did for our forefathers. Speaking of whom, the moment Reagan decided that printing money beyond what was in the federal reserve was a good idea, he basically sealed our fate and fucked us all.

I know I may have just opened a can of worms. I don't see this as the right place for politics though so I will bow out of this leg of the discussion.

Okay lets not get in a pissing match about semantics. Huh? Industry? What do you call George Soros' work where he can make money whatever fluctuations in the market, currencies, and precious metals flow up or down? That is what I was talking about. I wasn't attacking you. You're wound too tight today/tonight. That's a sign you need more pussy.

I cannot disagree more with your second paragraph. This discussion will launch into politics and this forum isn't for that. I will only say this Reagan didn't fuck us. The people in this country with a socialist agenda would only say that. He defeated the Communist model and proving if you took both systems down the path of spending into oblivion the Capitalist model could endure longer than the Communist model. It was absolutely brilliant. Did it take us deeper into debt? Yes but it was better than having the cold war. It was like a business deal. Sometimes you give up something to get what you want/need. If you want to throw blame to the entire economic look at the Federal Reserve. That is the root of all of our economic problems. I must stop there, because I could go on and on about the Federal Reserve (A publicly held company) not a government agency.

[JZLizard]

F Scott:

I may be wrong but I'm guessing HWG (or anyone who makes their living on the 'Net) probably doesn't leave important passwords written down on paper, or leave important financial docs unlocked. I used to have an entire strategy around that sort of thing for those times when I found myself bringing home a one night stand (never know, she could go through my shit when I sleep) or similar. Even today my live-in girlfriend has no access to my computers or phone or anything I have not specifically left available to her.

There are still risks though -- an SB could psycho out, trash the place or whatever. I knew one asian girl who went through her boyfriends (not me) closet with a razor and slit every garment he owned for cheating on her. But, most people don't want to go to jail.

You bring up some very good points about reputation getting trashed, online revenge sites and impact on career, etc. This is a risk to all of us I think. There is definitely an art to taking a situation with the potential to spin out of control and defusing it, just as there is an art to avoiding the kind of people who would start that type of situation up. One thing HWG has in his corner is that he's not married and thus not an ideal target for blackmail or similar games. In my opinion as long as he doesn't encounter a super-crazy one, he is at relatively low risk of this sort of thing, but yes it can happen to anyone and IMO most SDs should follow the anonymity practice I've talked about here.

I think he said no cherry was busted. IMO if she had lost her virginity to him she would be behaving very differently, and I have serious doubts that she's been honest about being a virgin at all -- the sum of her behavior just doesn't add up. But, he sees things we don't so who knows.

If there was one thing I would say "what were you thinking to" it would be spending $1500 on her without getting laid, but it's not for me to judge. I still feel gifting only after the fact is the best avoidance of over spending.

Hollywood,

I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.

WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.

Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.

The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!

Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.

Stay strong my brother.

Scott.

[F Scott]

I actually plan on meeting up with one 19 year old this afternoon. Because of exactly what you just said. My magic and bs is not working on the virgin, at all. LOL So I guess I am done trying. She can stay here for food and a roof, IDC. In the mean time I am going to look for some real pussy. Also got a 29 year old with her own apt that I can fuck tonite. Only 5' tall and small. If she is truly small this could be a good booty call.

Hollywood,

I've been following your exploits over the past several months and am surprised no one has weighed in on this before. Perhaps you have already thought of this, but just in case not I wanted to point out something that might very well come back to kick your ass big time. As I read it, you now have a disenfranchised 20 something, with no further loyalty to you, staying in your house for the next 10 days, unsupervised and I assume free to roam at will.

WTF! Which drawers in your desk or dresser would you most hate for her to open? What file cabinet contains your financials, passwords, real name, etc etc? I am guessing that you are not living in a totally sterile environment, and the fact that this virgin of yours is now on the way out would give me serious pause about what kind of damage she could do, now or in the future when she has had a chance to reflect on the fact that you stole her cherry and now she is back in Hawaii or wherever and is feeling totally fucked, in all senses of the phrase.

Add that to the fact that, as you say, her parents have money and it all seems to add up to a potentially serious situation for you, reputationally if not legally.

The internet is all-seeing, all-pervasive, and never forgets. What if your next client googles you and sees that you took advantage of a barely-legal ingenue, new to the States? How does that conversation proceed? Not trying to harsh, my brother, but just wondering. If you are completely made of Teflon, then I salute you and acknowledge you are the first of your kind I have met in all my years in the Bowl, but if not you might think about damage control at this point. Yikes, I know it would make me pause to reconsider!!

Again, not harshing, but just questioning your decision if what you relate is in fact the truth in this situation.

Stay strong my brother.

Scott.