"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?"

In a perfect world, yes that would prevent individual SDs from getting involved in trafficking cases, but human error does occur and I wonder how many SDs are going to ask for identification from every girl, knowing she is going to ask for their ident in return (thereby exposing themselves and violating my anonymity recommendation). Not to mention the girl could have a fake ident. Technically the SD sites do not allow girls under 18, and that should be avoidance enough, but history is shown that we still need to be on our toes about this.

However, it's important to understand that prevention of individual SDs getting busted is one of two distinct issues I've been discussing here, and IMO the lesser of the two risks.

The big risk is that "something like" a trafficking case brings unwanted attention to the SD sites, shutting down the commerce pipeline that makes them possible. And, all it would take is one high profile media case of the scenario I've described. It doesn't matter if SDs check her IDs and avoid her or not, it could still happen if people see SD sites as an escort mechanism. That's the part I think we should all be worried about if we want to preserve the hobby.

The trafficking example is just that -- an example. Something like the Google exec / heroin call girl media case could also bring similar, unwanted attention. Anything that piques prosecutors interest. Recently it was "revenge porn" sites, in the near future it could be SD sites.

[BigTigger]

I agree with JL. Airbnb is a bit too risky.

I believe BigTig found a room rental on Craigslist back in the day. He was up front with the woman who was renting the room, and she was cool with it. If you've a large rotation and you're looking to reduce room costs, I'd go the CL route.

Wow that is a great memory. But correct, I actually had two different placed. The second one was a little closer. The good thing about CL is that it can be a cash business and as long as you pay and don't cause drama, they will not mess with you.

I recently looked at another place and the woman showed me one room and told me the other room was rented by two men who brought there women there. She didn't ask any questions as long as the money is on time. I've found that, even if you want to be upfront, you can't be too specific. I would mainly say that I'm starting new business in the area and would not be there much. I'd ask if they had any restrictions on overnight guests staying with me and that would get the message across. .

I only resorted to this because my hotel bills were exceeding 1 k per month. The room came in at $600 per month and I had more access. My only major requirement was a private bath, which made it harder to find.

BigTigg.

[Member #5570]

Which woods are you in?

Hartford, CT.

[Mike7794]

OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?" What is that age 18 or 21?

Age of consent is between 16 and 18 in the USA states with each one having their own laws. But it appears as though 18 is federal age of consent, but realize this is not thorough or exhaustive. Do the Trafficking statutes list a different age? Anyone have a better reference?.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_o..._North_America

scroll down and look at summary of law for your state

My personal belief is that anyone 21+ messing with someone under 18 should be in trouble. Apparently several legislatures do not agree with me.

So would not keeping the age of one's SBs over 18 avoid trafficking issue?

Damn that was an eye opener for my state. Not only 16, but if the girl is 13 or older it is lawful as long as the boy is under 18. What kind of s* it that? I have a 13 year old daughter, and she can have sex with a boy under 18? I'm shocked really.

[Mike7794]

There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)

Those girls are throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks, or like playing the lottery.

[Cephlapod Love]

Part of the issue is that the definition of trafficking is broader in reach than many realize. For example, a girl could be of the age of consent in the state she resides and be with her boyfriend legally. If he decides to hook her up on a SD site and uploads photos to the site, if she is not of the federal minimum age then he has just trafficked her across state boundaries. No coercion or forcible act needed. Whoever is the unlucky SD that gets involved with her is now a part of the trafficking case. I doubt he'd be convicted but who wants their mug shot in the news?

OK, that is a good point. Would not the "fix" be to avoid all girls that are "not of the federal minimum age?" What is that age 18 or 21?

Age of consent is between 16 and 18 in the USA states with each one having their own laws. But it appears as though 18 is federal age of consent, but realize this is not thorough or exhaustive. Do the Trafficking statutes list a different age? Anyone have a better reference?.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_o..._North_America

scroll down and look at summary of law for your state

My personal belief is that anyone 21+ messing with someone under 18 should be in trouble. Apparently several legislatures do not agree with me.

So would not keeping the age of one's SBs over 18 avoid trafficking issue?

[HollywoodGuy]

There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)

Which woods are you in?

[Member #5570]

There are way too many GPS in my neck of the woods.

I got this response from another girl on SA and just sat there shaking my head. Damn, where the fuck they pull these numbers from?

Lessnp
Hi please see my expectations located on my profile (2k per meeting) let me know if manageable :-)

[JZLizard]

Once some pimp starts putting his girls up on these sites then the Trafficking Task Forces will make it a priority. I periodically watch the "Sex Slaves" series on cable and see self-righteous types there talking about solving the problem by attacking the Johns. Now don't get me wrong, trafficking, forced service or even BF coercion is wrong and should be eliminated. However, doesn't one "fix" the problem by legalizing the industry and getting it out of the shadows? OK, enough soapboxing.

Part of the issue is that the definition of trafficking is broader in reach than many realize. For example, a girl could be of the age of consent in the state she resides and be with her boyfriend legally. If he decides to hook her up on a SD site and uploads photos to the site, if she is not of the federal minimum age then he has just trafficked her across state boundaries. No coercion or forcible act needed. Whoever is the unlucky SD that gets involved with her is now a part of the trafficking case. I doubt he'd be convicted but who wants their mug shot in the news?

[Cephlapod Love]

LEO: is a real risk in the escort world. They could easily make an example of select Sugar sites by setting up a bust. But most SDs go through a M&G process 1st, then move on to the FC later, which makes it seem safer and more like a date. The volume is not high enough to make it worth LE time to try to nab one guy who takes his Pot to dinner, then to the FC. I think that is what will protect the Sugar sites. If an SB offers an immediate trip to the FC for $X--run!

You make excellent points! For me, just because the risk is low doesn't mean I am not cautious and preventative. Shoot just had a SB who took 200+ texts to land as she was denser than a rock and could not understand the concept of a "Poetry Reading Fee. " Only when she said, "Oh, a donation" did she get it and by then the line was crossed.

So going through the M&G process in theory does offer a level of comfort. Yes, been told LE has a cost-benefit analysis to stings and these would rank low. That said, however, if one has been talking sex for money via email / text and shows up for a M&G it is all over: especially if one is carrying the phone / device that has those texts / communications tied to it. Female LE will text / call the way she made contact and when it goes off in your possession there is no denying it was you: electronic offer made, person tied to electronic offer, done deal.

Seems like the same thing goes for the m&g, if it is a sting, girl is going to get one to try to say some form of sex for money in her presence and for the wire she's wearing.

But seems low probability for now. Once some pimp starts putting his girls up on these sites then the Trafficking Task Forces will make it a priority. I periodically watch the "Sex Slaves" series on cable and see self-righteous types there talking about solving the problem by attacking the Johns. Now don't get me wrong, trafficking, forced service or even BF coercion is wrong and should be eliminated. However, doesn't one "fix" the problem by legalizing the industry and getting it out of the shadows? OK, enough soapboxing.

[HollywoodGuy]

Just curious, but how long do you leave reach out mails to POT's on the site before you delete them? I wait a month then delete.

Two weeks on SA and one week on SD4 M.

[Mike7794]

Just curious, but how long do you leave reach out mails to POT's on the site before you delete them? I wait a month then delete.

[JZLizard]

I don't think individual SDs have that much to worry about in terms of stings. LE isn't interested in going after individual difficult to prosecute cases.

However shutting down the sites by strangulating their e-commerce mechanism would represent a big win for either a single politician, a group with an agenda (femi-nazis have been mentioned here already, that's one possibility), or the FBI wanting to show their might, and that's the real risk.

The reason it's not good for us individually to have text or emails showing offers of money for sex has more to do with protecting ourselves from legal issues in the event of a disgruntled SB turned stalker when they are cut off from the sugar, or whatever the case may be. If we call the cops on an SB, and they have proof we offered them sex, our mug shot is going on display for the world to see and that's not good for many of our professional lives or relationships. Folks who have no SO, and are independently wealthy probably have much less to fear in these types of scenarios.

I suppose there is a small chance that SD sites could be used as sting launching points if the escort activity gets too high. Right now BP is much more fertile soil for that sort of work for any LE dept -- that could change in the future if BP falls.

So, two very different risks, but both are consequences of playing the game carelessly.

[FredMoore]

" the hot 19-24 year old body and face gets old fast when a girl is annoying. ".

Yeah well, I think many of us have older, less interested SOs, some menopausal and dried up. Nothing feels better than a 22 yr old vagina-period. Right now in my life I am happy to have one to play in whenever I want. I do not need to talk politics, educate them, or ask their advice about -well -anything. I don't need to validate my manhood or pimp my ego by having them scream out in delight. I just need her to lie down -stand up -bend over -whatever I ask her to do --and make me happy. OTOH, if you want to experience a date-like environment -get a PhD candidate -they are here too.

LEO: is a real risk in the escort world. For 10 yrs I saw many, went through high dollar services, and some with their own web pages. I felt anxious every single time I made my way to a hotel room. But the excitement was hard to deny. I was lucky, and no longer dabble in that world. All of the services I used then were busted and shut down. They could easily make an example of select Sugar sites by setting up a bust. But most SDs go through a M&G process 1st, then move on to the FC later, which makes it seem safer and more like a date. The volume is not high enough to make it worth LE time to try to nab one guy who takes his Pot to dinner, then to the FC. I think that is what will protect the Sugar sites. If an SB offers an immediate trip to the FC for $X--run!

[HollywoodGuy]

The cute tourist I fucked last week actually came at me with a request for $$$$.5 a date. Here was my response. It got me down to my usual $ a date. I usually just delete GPS girls, but I was bored and horny, so I gave it a shot. I may have posted this before. Here is my updated version.

"I don't really negotiate and here's why. I feel every girl is worth what she perceives her value to be, whatever that amount is. If I tell you that you are worth less, then your opinion of me is going be less as well. And I don't see that as an ideal place to start a relationship of any kind.

But I will say this. You are new to this and here is what you are going to find out. Is that many of the guys on here are full of shit. And the ones that will pay more? Well guess what? They want every girl they can have, and at those higher amounts they can have any girl they want. So they see you a few times (or once) and then poof. They're gone.

And maybe that's all you want. But I need something reasonable, long term and someone I can count on.

What about you?"

Good Luck to Everyone this Summer.