"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-01-15 17:14

Originally Posted by IluvSmellyFish [View Original Post]

Agree with HWG on his assessement of tbops. Some are good and can teach you a thing or two, some not so much. The 19 Asian falls into the former category. She is so skilled, it was no surprise when she told me about her sexual history.

So my take on tbops is that when you find a good one, they are worth the trouble. Often they come with more drama, and often need more coaxing to get to the FC. !

Aside from skills I actually find it easier to get them to the FC. But no well vetted girl should be hard to get to the FC. But as far as personality in the FC, I find them much more fun, experienced or not.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 07-01-15 15:51

So I've kicked the Asian grad student from rotation and replaced her with the 19 why / o Asian. My summer rotation is made up of two tbops and I'm working a 20 year old nursing student pot.

Agree with HWG on his assessement of tbops. Some are good and can teach you a thing or two, some not so much. The 19 Asian falls into the former category. She is so skilled, it was no surprise when she told me about her sexual history. I'm her first SD she met off SA, but not the first "daddy" she's ever had. The three hour FC session was crazy. And the neighboring room's tv had to have been on the loudest volume setting by the end of it. This one was a screamer / moaner.

Took my 19 blonde blue eyed swim instructor out for her birthday. She officially turned 19. She is not nearly as good in bed as my 19 Asian, and lacks experience, but for me that's a huge turn on. She is a little awkward when she tries to ride me, and her hips lack the rythym that a seasoned pro would bring to the table, but the fact that my blondie is so sweet, inexperienced, and so eager to please, makes up for all that. She genuinely enjoys sex, and gets so wet, that its hard not to get hard just thinking about her. Teaching her new positions and seeing her expressions of surprise when she really likes one makes up for the lack of experience.

So my take on tbops is that when you find a good one, they are worth the trouble. Often they come with more drama, and often need more coaxing to get to the FC. Finding an innocent pyt who wants to please is huge draw of the bowl. If I'm looking for a hot sexpot who knows her way around the bedroom, I'm more apt to contact a trusted provider or one of the many talented modeling agencies that exist in the areas where I play. Don't get me wrong though. I would never turn away a hot sexpot, regardless of if I found her on SA or found her via other means.

In any case, my summer search has come to a close. I will be enjoying the fruits of my labor for the next few months, but will be back up online with a reupped SA account once the fall semester begins.

Best of luck gents!

**Member #5144** · 07-01-15 14:02

Originally Posted by BradAM [View Original Post]

I find there are two generic strategies that work:

My portfolio / investments took a big hit this month and I am not going to have any free cash until the markets recover.

Just show her a map of Europe with big black Xs through Greece and Spain. She won't get it, but visual aids are impressive.

**Member #5144** · 07-01-15 13:59

Originally Posted by MulchMan [View Original Post]

I forgot to mention that when I dropped her off she drove off in a Mercedes. She has to be a pro. Will find out Saturday.

Would be easier to share intel if we had her handle.

**FredMoore** · 07-01-15 12:55

Reaper " She has a suspended license and that's apparently the major source of her issues, the ticket cost to resolve I could use some advice on how to handle this one properly. " " How many dates would you fine mongers put in with a girl without a FC visit before calling it quits?

These are connected. You need to decide if you are a GB (Generous boyfriend) or an SD. If you are on a Sugar site like SA or SDFM then the girls are there to get money. You will fall down a steep rabbit hole if you spend your time trying to convert a good Catholic Mami to a Ho. Make it (gently) clear to the Pots that your goal is to have sex with her as soon as possible and you will be patient within reason. Most of us will allow 2 to 3 sexless / money less "dates" before pulling the plug. Tell Mami that you would like to take care of her ticket problem but you want to be in a relationship 1st (meaning sex). If she doesn't get it move on I would say. The crazy Ex SB I would just have a talk and tell her to put up or shut up. Again, a little more delicate than that.

Budget is totally individual. The more money you provide the easier it will be to collect SBs. Most of us in the lower budget arena spend $150 to 250 / visit. If you are super talented like Hollywood or seek a less GPS demographic then you might dip to $100/ Pop. Anything less than that is BF status if you are young enough. There are guys who are loaded and spend thousands to get a 10/10 but most of us are not in that ball park.

**RedBaron69** · 07-01-15 11:14

Originally Posted by UBetcha89 [View Original Post]

I'm new to the SD scene and I'll I'm encountering is golden pussy. 2-3 k a month, 1000 per time with no oral. I'm really new but good god where's the 150 200 per time low 20 year olds. I'm in the Blacksburg Roanoke area.

They are out there, the new ones take a while to realize they are not going to find that 2-3 k per month. I am working on one now, stated out at 500 per visit, I passed, she came back two weeks later at 350, I passed, she got back to me last night and said she would be good with my original 150. This almost like shooting fish in a barrel. Make theme prove there worth to you. Happy Hunting.

**ReaperGuy** · 07-01-15 05:51

Appreciate the info guys, I'm mostly figuring this out on my own but it's great to have verification from seniors that I'm handling it correctly. Currently I have 4 M&Gs lined up over the rest of the week and a 3rd visit on one I haven't hit FC with yet (more on this one below). I finally hit my stride on the initial approach messages and it's really beginning to show in the responses. Bit concerned I'm overdoing it a bit, but we'll see.

Few more questions / situations:

1. Interesting result that I ran into last weekend: I setup a M&G after extended texting with a 25 yo latin mami who was clearly reluctant to ask for funds. Based on what she was describing I figured (at first) she would be a very cheap ongoing date. The morning of our date I get a text saying she couldn't go through with it, she couldn't go on dates to ask men for money. Her account was brand new and I'm pretty sure I'm the first man that responded to her. After seeing this I started some damage control, it was clear she had problems with the money aspect so I just came out and said "ok forget arrangements and money, let's just go on a date anyway" and she accepted. We met up and she was clearly a little uncomfortable at first, but by the end of the date I got her to open up and she agreed to meet me again. She has a suspended license and that's apparently the major source of her issues, the ticket cost to resolve that is within my budget but apparently it's an insurmountable problem for her. She's not going to do P4 P outright and I'm not interested in just giving away money, perhaps I could use some advice on how to handle this one properly.

2. As you see above, I'm on a 3rd date with another pot. I was about 98% sure that we were going to FC at her apartment on date #2, however she got some cold feet at the security gate and backed out. This time I said I'd come over and look at a computer she has that's broken (which she asked me about last time. This might be the $ to fix it). She's clearly kinda nervous around men, from what she's told me her last boyfriend was bit of a psycho and there's been some stalking. You never know if these girls are making shit up and causing drama or being legit. How many dates would you fine mongers put in with a girl without a FC visit before calling it quits? I haven't come out and said that's what I expect or attempted to guide her to it, frankly with the others so far they were on top of me before I had to say anything. She's 23 and has had plenty of dick before so it's not inexperience, I'm starting to think the crazy ex might be legit and that shook her a bit. She also put on a bit of weight after a car accident, she's still cute but I think it ruined her self-confidence. Maybe I need to hard initiate and see where it goes.

3. Budget: what do you guys allocate for hobbying? Obviously every man's situation is different, I just want to see if what I'm trying to accomplish is reasonable and others are in a similar place. I'm trying to stick to a < $800/ month budget for up to 4 visits a month as that's sustainable for me. I specifically target girls that have their own place to lower costs on hotels and so far I've had very good success with it, I'm a very reserved and understanding guy so I gain girl's trust very easily once we meet. No girls has demanded or expected anything insane in terms of dates or gifts, so I'm staying on track and haven't had to tell anyone no that's made it to a M&G.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-01-15 01:24

Originally Posted by FTP1999 [View Original Post]

Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.

Some are better than others. Thats for sure. Still hangin with my ATF, 25 (standing). Things might be picking up at work. That always helps the budget. Still can't drive and those ubers add up. My #2 is in summer school. She is a good little girl and 19. She probably taught me a thing or two (sitting). And as far as I know they are both loyal.

**FyrGuy33** · 06-30-15 22:20

Originally Posted by FTP1999 [View Original Post]

Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.

While that is not what I want all the time, this can be a good find. Realize that since she needs to be taught EVERYTHING, therefor you have the opportunity to teach her to do all things they way you like them done. I'm not into teaching much, but the handful of times I have had to do that it's been pretty damn good.

**Mike7794** · 06-30-15 22:14

Originally Posted by FTP1999 [View Original Post]

Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.

Thanks for the good laugh tonight.

**FTP1999** · 06-30-15 21:29

Holly molly,

I don't think I want a 19-year old.

I had one recently who was moaning "oh daddy. " while sucking her thumb as I was pumping her. Weird, very weird.

She didn't know many things including how to handle a cock, suck one, ride one.

Oy veh. Please go ahead and take her, train her to you heart's desire. I will see her when she is 20. I can wait.

**UBetcha89** · 06-30-15 11:26

I'm new to the SD scene and I'll I'm encountering is golden pussy. 2-3 k a month, 1000 per time with no oral. I'm really new but good god where's the 150 200 per time low 20 year olds. I'm in the Blacksburg Roanoke area.

**JZLizard** · 06-29-15 19:10

Originally Posted by ReaperGuy [View Original Post]

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby?

2) Have you ever had a baby on a site share nude photos (unprompted, I don't ask for nudes) with you very early in discussions? This girl lives in a relatively expensive part of town by herself, I was somewhat amazed she shared those type of photos. Feels like a UTR but I'd prefer a second opinion.

1. Most of the time I just let the texts dwindle off, say I'm busy, etc. Honestly most of these girls have some aspect of their personality that I find annoying, so if I'm in the state of mind where I want to make a point sometimes I just start using that to their disadvantage. It's generally better not to make waves though, especially if you play close to home or are at alimony risk (neither of those are true for me). Sometimes making waves leads to an argument and great anger-sex or make-up sex after the fight, but when that happens its usually accidental with me rather than part of a plan. Getting in the habit of never answering your phone (just never talk voice, always text) helps when its time to break off, because then you can just start spacing the timing of your texts farther apart to wean her off of you more gradually.

2. Yes, nude photos are surprisingly common in modern days of mobile phones, online dating in general etc. If an SB does this very early, even before first meeting then yes I would tend to regard them as a bit more on the UTR side than what I consider a true SB. But it's not a guarantee.

**BamBam** · 06-29-15 18:11

Originally Posted by ReaperGuy [View Original Post]

1) How do you actually go about releasing a baby? I've seen one a couple of times and the last time it felt more like an escort session than an arrangement. Part of that is my fault as I told her I didn't have a lot of time and I broke my own 'no straight to FC' rule, but I really didn't like the vibe I got from her. I have the standard security rules in place, but I prefer not being an asshole and I don't want to just ignore her. Plus I'd like to leave open a quickie in the future if I have the need.

I find there are two generic strategies that work:

1) "My wife (SO / GF) almost caught me and is now watching very closely. I need to protect you from any drama by abstaining for awhile. ".

2) "Can you see me without an allowance for a month or two? My portfolio / investments took a big hit this month and I am not going to have any free cash until the markets recover. I promise to make it up to you later? Can you? Please?" If she says Yes, well, win-win.

Both preserve the option of returning while also getting you free in the short term.

BAM.

**SemperFidelis** · 06-29-15 18:01

Originally Posted by Bowtie [View Original Post]

LOL, I was chatting with a beautiful mixed girl, posted in my town but come to find out she is at "grandmas" 2 hr away and needs gas money! She claims that she will head straight to whoever givers her the money first. Needless to say, I opened my wallet and I sent her everything I have. Boy, I can't wait till she gets here! Damn these girls.

Keeping my utrs in the rotation to fill in the slow times. Met with my MILF recently, destroyed the poor girl, it was a while I guess. Need to find a good regular sb fast. Still looking.

I'm always curious as to whether or not they'll keep their word and show up once they have the funds they're requesting. Obviously future sugar does not matter to someone who is attempting to scam you but seems to me it certainly would be to someone that is in it for the right reasons, it's a catch 22. I do like to have a level of trust w / them, as I do with the 2 I see but it took a while to weed out the rest to say the least.