"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

I did some extensive research on this some time back -- more for exercise performance reasons and overall life satisfaction than sexual reasons, but I'm sure pretty much everyone of the age and with the interest in sex to read this thread has had at least a fleeting interest in it.


We live in a country where doctors and medicine are a for-profit industry. Be careful what someone sells you.

I personally decided to go natural or not at all. I suppose if something psychologically devastating enough happened to me that I was at a point where I would contemplate suicide, then at that point I might want to load up on Viagra and HGH and go fuck anything I could. But until then there is a good case for taking care of myself and keeping my dick going naturally for as long as possible.

All true-but a guy who's dick is not working as he would like it to will do anything it takes to correct that. Holistic care is #1 -diet, exercise, nutrients-but there is a time and place for Big Pharma-even at those ridiculous and highly inflated prices. It seems JL that your parts are working well without all that. Hopefully for your sake it will continue.

I am a strong user of drugs -and am appreciative of them.

[ReaperGuy]

I was happy I got some SB pussy to post about and you guys are posting about squeezing the last bit out of life like you're about to keel over, shit's depressing LOL. I am glad to see you posting again HWG, you're an inspiration to us youngun's and your advice is so spot-on.

So I talked to a early 30's single mom last week, I only sent her an initial message on SA and she gave me access to some risque photos she had along with a phone number. I assumed she was in rather desperate need of funds, so I dispensed with the rest of the usual messages I have and just straight-up texted her for a meet-up. She was pretty local to me so I suggested a chain restaurant for lunch and she countered with a local place nearby my original pick and I agree. Turns out she picked that place because it was a quick walk from the hotel she was staying at whereas my place required her to cross a couple of big intersections, more on that in a bit. So she shows up 45 minutes late to the agreed meet-up time, but kept me informed via text the entire time. I'm a bit annoyed because I'm missing some work for this meetup, but I figured it might be worth my while since she seemed to need some cash. Pictures are accurate, 5'6" 120 lbs mid-back auburn / brown hair. Nice looking be tits that match the frame, everything looks good for her age, probably a 6/7/7 on the scale.

We do the usual lunch thing, she is very clear she's cool with taking me back to her hotel and she hasn't mentioned money once. So we finish up lunch rather quickly, damage was like $25, and I offer to drive her back to the hotel and she makes it clear I can come up with her. We get up to the room, small talk a bit, and she finally asks what I'd like to do. She's been showing me the 'jewelry' she makes, so I ask her to show me some more of it but without wearing so much clothes. So this chick goes batshit and runs around the room grabbing various pieces of clothes, then disappears into the bathroom. As I survey the room it's clear she's a hot mess, from her story it sounds like she got out of a bad relationship, shipped her kids off to live with a family member, and was 'saving up' to move as well. Her texts were barely legible and she couldn't put together a written sentence to save her life, but spoke well enough. The usual under-educated woman who had kids too early, nothing unusual anywhere I guess.

So she finally pops out of the bathroom in fishnets and this tight leather outfit that surprisingly did it for me. I get her on the bed and get her to play with herself, once that starts I join in and she clearly was in need of some male attention as she grips my fingers like a vice and gets off at least twice before pushing me away and pulling my pants off. She proceeds to give me a very spirited BBBJ for a few minutes until I've had enough. She then proceeds to hop off and says 'let me find a condom'. Now I had 2 in the back pocket of my pants in case I decided I need them (never leave that type of stuff up to the girls, I prefer to be prepared all on my own), however I decided I wanted this one BBFS style if possible so I didn't volunteer mine. After a couple minutes of her rummaging around the room I suggest 'we are both adults right, we can handle this' and she agrees but says I can't bust in her. Fair enough I think, and she proceeds to mount me reverse CG and rides me like her life depended on it. After a couple minutes of having this excellent view of her pussy being stretched out I let her know it's time, she quickly dismounts and watches as I blow what's quite possibly the largest load of my life. She brings me a towel to clean up with, we get dressed and talk a little.

She still has not brought up money, however without her noticing I've already popped out $160 and left it on the dresser. I am almost certain I could have left 100 and she'd have been satisfied, however I honestly had a good time and had the feeling I might get some freebies out of her so I write it off as a goodwill bonus. She apparently had met a few creeps and waved them off, but I put her at ease and she enjoyed the time with me. I usually write off anything these girls say about enjoying the time with you or any compliments they give, but this girl was so simple I don't think she could bluff me. We never actually verbally spoke about money, she said she'd like to see me more if I had time and just needed help with some bills and I mentioned I'd already left her some funds on the dressed that she never counted or eyeballed in my presence. I had a run-in with a UTR last week, so this was a very refreshing change of pace. She gave me a deep kiss on the way out the door, total time spent together is about 2 hours including lunch (3 hours if you include me waiting for 45 minutes past the original agreed on time). I text her a few hours later, she's very satisfied with the donation and is looking forward to seeing me again. Apparently being barely average looking but not being a complete creeper pays off yet again!

[HollywoodGuy]

Well I have my first blood test in a month and the doctor plans on checking that. I'm lucky in that my GP is on TRT as well, so he's very knowledgeable. I've read stories online of people getting doc's that have no idea what they're doing and they end up worse than when they started. So if anyone is considering this, I suggest doing your research as to proper protocols. Or ask me on here / PM me, I've done a ton or reading before on the subject before getting started. HWG, how did the HGH affect you? At my age, I don't think I'll need any assistance with that yet.

There are multiple issues.

1. length of your life.

2. quality of life.

3. anything chemical, not natural.

4. money you earn, money you spend.

5. self esteem.

6. philosophy. Eastern, western, your own.

Lets just say that every person is unique in terms of their overall health, career goals, addictions, relationship status, etc. I personally don't believe there is a one size fits all solution. This is a potentially huge discussion. I have always believed in better living through chemistry. Thats me. I have used one drug or another over my entire life to boost my sexual performance, mental stability, health, etc. I want to max out as much as I can but not kill myself along the way, stay balanced, and be happy overall. Ask 10 Dr's what they think and you will get 10 different answers. I have retained every type from the most conservative to the most extreme (meaning they mostly work with pro athletes, gays and the rich). Its a balance that I believe each person must make on their own. More of a libertarian position. No Dr can tell me how I feel.

All of these programs have to be taken as a part of a much bigger picture. If I had the time and energy and money and didn't have to work. I would spend all my days with health care providers (drs, trainers, healers, etc) and all my nights with sexual care providers. But what have I actually done. Until I started going south a few years ago I worked out, ate lean only, did the HGH, testosterone cream 20% and vitamin see. I was vigilant and focused and got pretty strong. I am 61. All I have to do is look at 95% of sixty year olds and know I never want to look or feel the way they do. I normally get compared to 30 year olds in performance and mid 40's in looks. No BS. Good genes don't hurt either. Will I live the longest? I doubt it. Will I have more fun. Definitely. But I did stop the HGH and lately stopped the test cream. I do NOT work out anymore, but I am a picky eater and at an ideal weight for my height and my desire to stay lean. I know I am eventually going to have to go back to working out which i hate. I only did it because it was the right thing to do.

I am probably rambling from the pain meds, but the short answer is, there are risks in taking drugs (but risk is my middle name). Are they worth the rewards? I think they are.

So far I have seen no drop in my performance, but I believe I boosted myself up (mentally, emotionally and physically) so now I can take a break and see how all my blood work looks off some of the drugs. In my opinion diet and stress free thinking are by far the most important things. Even in training they say diet 80% and exercise 20%. I am not giving up the vitamin C and I do need it for optimal performance. And monks and other serene types typically live healthy till they are 90. And they take plenty of drugs. Its called TCM. But overall I am pro whatever drug it takes to get the job done.

i also believe all drugs should be legal and over the counter, So maybe I am the wrong person to ask. But a lot of the info out there is strictly to support the pharmaceutical & medical industrial complex. Which in combination with the government and insurance companies is all stacked to promote their agenda of the moment with no regard whatsoever as to the patient and their right to the life they wish to lead. I was once told I needed chemo therapy. I took a pass on that one. And I am still here. And I could go on and on.. Sorry guys, but this is a sore spot for me.

The rights of the individual. Exercise them and your dick as much as possible.

[JZLizard]

I did some extensive research on this some time back -- more for exercise performance reasons and overall life satisfaction than sexual reasons, but I'm sure pretty much everyone of the age and with the interest in sex to read this thread has had at least a fleeting interest in it.

My issue with HGH is the promotion of cell growth and division. What is good for the body when you're young is not necessarily good for the body when you're older. It's tampering with nature and in my opinion that's always dangerous. Supposedly, we all have cells in our body which have the potential to participate in cancerous behavior. Not only do these cells become more susceptible to change as we get older, but the rest of our bodies (our organs, our bones, etc.) are in a state of sustenance rather improvement, and are far less adaptable to change than when we were younger. This is one reason we have a higher risk of cancer if we are a smoker / drinker at age 60 than we did at age 20. The parts of our body that do not want foreign tumors in them are older, weaker, and less able to resist.

So, because HGH is a cell growth booster, guess which cells will benefit most from this improvement? The ones that are already prone to rapid division and metastasis. This means that if we do have cancer-prone cells, they are going to FUCKING LOVE HGH, it will be the best thing that's ever happened to them.

I'm not suggesting everyone who tries hormone replacement therapy is going to quickly tumor-up and die. But everything that is known about science says that tampering with nature like this is risky, and everything that is known about common sense in life tells us that most things are pay now or pay later. If a magic treatment gives you immediate and unexplainable happiness, you can be almost certain there is a price to be paid for that (over and above the ridiculous prices the pharmaceutical companies command).

Your natural testosterone production can be amped up by regular exercise. If you are exercising regularly and your body still says "no more", that is nature's way of telling you to slow down a bit and helping you extend your life. When you go against nature, just be aware you may be shortening your life significantly (or at least putting yourself into a disabled state faster).

We live in a country where doctors and medicine are a for-profit industry. Be careful what someone sells you.

I personally decided to go natural or not at all. I suppose if something psychologically devastating enough happened to me that I was at a point where I would contemplate suicide, then at that point I might want to load up on Viagra and HGH and go fuck anything I could. But until then there is a good case for taking care of myself and keeping my dick going naturally for as long as possible.

[DogSun]

It all works. The only issue you may have is that it raises your PSA which can be an alarm bell for some doctors. As they are all prostate checking crazy these days. If you see your PSA going over 4 or rising .75 or more in a year you are going to hear some concerned voices. I went from 1.5 to 3.9 in 6 years of treatment. I discontinued the HGH due to the price. (1k to 2k a month)

Well I have my first blood test in a month and the doctor plans on checking that. I'm lucky in that my GP is on TRT as well, so he's very knowledgeable. I've read stories online of people getting doc's that have no idea what they're doing and they end up worse than when they started. So if anyone is considering this, I suggest doing your research as to proper protocols. Or ask me on here / PM me, I've done a ton or reading before on the subject before getting started. HWG, how did the HGH affect you? At my age, I don't think I'll need any assistance with that yet.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've noticed that more than a few of the questions / advice on here has pertained to erection problems, libido issues and overall health and fitness. I'm wondering if there's anyone on here that's taking testosterone replacement therapy? I started about 8 weeks ago, and it has completely changed my life. My waning libido is back like I'm 18 again. My erections are more frequent and harder than ever. I'm able to have sex multiple times per day. All of these things have been giving me problems over the past 2 years or so. Not to mention I've been an animal in the gym, and in general am more aggressive (not in a negative way) have an improved mood, and in general a more positive outlook on life.

It all works. The only issue you may have is that it raises your PSA which can be an alarm bell for some doctors. As they are all prostate checking crazy these days. If you see your PSA going over 4 or rising .75 or more in a year you are going to hear some concerned voices. I went from 1.5 to 3.9 in 6 years of treatment. I discontinued the HGH due to the price. (1k to 2k a month)

[DogSun]

I've noticed that more than a few of the questions / advice on here has pertained to erection problems, libido issues and overall health and fitness. I'm wondering if there's anyone on here that's taking testosterone replacement therapy? I started about 8 weeks ago, and it has completely changed my life. My waning libido is back like I'm 18 again. My erections are more frequent and harder than ever. I'm able to have sex multiple times per day. All of these things have been giving me problems over the past 2 years or so. Not to mention I've been an animal in the gym, and in general am more aggressive (not in a negative way) have an improved mood, and in general a more positive outlook on life.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hello. My foot may be lame but it doesn't seem to be affecting my sex drive. Somehow I think I will get 8 or 10 trips to the FC this month in spite of myself. I tipped all my regulars very well this month for being as accommodating as possible. So I was out a few extra dollars in relation to the visits. But next month if I see them less they are just going to get paid less. I also reconnected with a couple of MILF's as backup. My long time MILF and a new MILF I met just before I went lame.

I will be paying for some uber's to be able to see the young ones and the new MILF I may turn into an on the books assistant if my luck runs out on me. I hate to think like that. But I am panicked. She is older but a very fun gal. Someone I can talk to. And all the girls are so so sorry for me. I don't need sympathy, but it has translated into some better than average sessions.

Maybe I'll just get better and it will all be like a bad dream. I know most of the sugaring done on here is hit it and quit it, but being single I am glad I developed a few good relationships so that between all of them I will be covered enough to get by.

[Bald Eagle]

Anybody have any details on Violet, s. A. . I noticed a few of you guys have nerves about a paper trail at hotels. Find one managed by a foreigner, offer cash, for half day especially if you can meet during the day. You get a discount and they provide for you. No signature required.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Both my big and little head would have told me to bang the backup. I rarely relay my anger if a pot flakes, but in this instance if I were that pissed, I would have probably taken a money shot pic with the backup SB, with her allowance on the bed (purposely in $20 and $10 bills to make it look like more money) and then would've texted the pic to the one that flaked.

But at the end of the day these girls flake all the time. For the really hot ones, its almost like a game they enjoy playing. Nothing to get upset about. Remember, that's why you had a backup.

I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.

[Donwhite]

C'Mon. Don -you passed on a FC opportunity just because a spoiled child doesn't think you are her Daddy? Never go home with a dry stick Brother!

I know, but the girl who flaked on me was pro sports player wife hot.

[FredMoore]

I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.

C'Mon. Don -you passed on a FC opportunity just because a spoiled child doesn't think you are her Daddy? Never go home with a dry stick Brother!

[FredMoore]

At the moment, I am on crutches. Some kind of sciatica or something. Not sure yet.

We know how you threw your back out -but what a way to do it! Get well soon. Your ladies will just have to do all the work.

[Donwhite]

I'm pretty livid right now. I had plans to meet up with the hottest sugar baby that I have ever seen on the site and then she sends me a text that said I forgot today was fathers day and went radio silent. Argggggg! I had a backup plan with another sb who was willing to go bareback, but I'm so mad that I cancelled my date with her.

[HollywoodGuy]

With your health issues and any other obstacles you run in to. I have followed your exploits and even took a stab at trying my hand (unsuccessfully) by following your methods.

Seems I simply do not have the patients to wear them down. Stay safe and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Ragtop66.

At the moment, I am on crutches. Some kind of sciatica or something. Not sure yet.