"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BamBam** · 05-25-15 19:21

I recently welcomed a new member to my hunting grounds. I offered the following advice that I thought might be worth sharing more broadly. Please let me know if you think it has value.

"Don't agonize over your approach PM. It's more important that you get your profile message right (not saying the approach PM is unimportant just don't agonize over it.) The approach is just to get them to take a look. The profile is the hook. If you can incorporate some HWG's 5-step method into that, you will be a step ahead. However, be careful about simply copying. There are plenty of guys in our region approaching the same women. If they detect a common pattern, they will discount you. Being a young guy has certain advantages if you are in shape. However, a lot of the women are looking for a daddy figure which you may have a hard time filling.

This is definitely a numbers game. Think about your success pyramid: POTs are the base. PM replies to your approach PM is the next level up. Scheduled Meet-and-greets are next up from that. About 1/3 of your scheduled MnG's will flake. Another 1/3 will not be what you were expecting or you will not be what they were expecting. The final 1/3 are the ones who are eligible and willing but have not yet agreed an allowance amount. See how the pyramid keeps narrowing? At the apex are the ones you can afford and who are willing. Success equals getting them to the FC.

As I said before, it's a numbers game. The larger the base, the larger each successive, higher level. The larger the base, the sooner you score and the greater the likelihood you score more than one. If you focus on one or two that you really, really like, you narrow the base and stack the odds against yourself. You could be wasting time waiting for a reply from one of your favorites when you could have already been piling up more POT's, PM's and MnG's. ".

Any comments from my brothers?

**FredMoore** · 05-25-15 11:59

Originally Posted by IluvSmellyFish [View Original Post]

I've noticed that "activebby" has gone through three iterations of her account, and can't remember what her last two screen names were. Although she doesn't pretend to be a fresh new innocent thing.

She has quite a few demands -drive her here, drive her there, do shopping, etc. For the avg Daddy that is too much crap to go through. I need one to pocket the $$ I give her and take care of my business.

Desperado "Not necessary, I think we are past that". " Don't count on it. With a "Freeby" comes IRL expectations. Be very careful.

**JZLizard** · 05-24-15 16:48

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

And done. Anyone else is certainly welcome to contribute to the index / FAQ thread, but I figure that ought to cover a large portion of the more useful info in this thread. Certainly the stuff that I found particularly helpful.

Just for completeness' sake, the index thread is here in the Richmond forum at http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...-Index-and-FAQ .

I hope this proves helpful to everyone involved in this side of the hobby.

Great job. Hopefully it helps not only newcomers, but also contributes to the quality of the info in this thread by eliminating redundant requests for info. I'd imagine occasional updates / additions will add value. We'll have to cross our fingers that the index thread doesn't get cluttered with conversational posts that should be in this thread.

**Detlev** · 05-24-15 15:18

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

Saw some weird behavior on SA just now and I'm trying to figure out if the site's having issues, or if I was maybe just blocked. I'd favorited a girl and sent her a message. Saw the message status update to "read", and the next time I refreshed my inbox, the tiny heart icon next to the conversation was gone. If I go to her profile page, it no longer shows her as favorited, and she's not on my favorites list. If I click the icon to favorite her again, it goes back to white after a few seconds.

Any idea if this is the sort of thing that happens when someone blocks you?

I've been wondering about something like this for a bit too. I've looked around for answers elsewhere, but haven't yet come up with anything.

I favorited a girl on SA a couple of weeks ago, and only this one at that time. When I checked my favorites list later, there seemed to be a profile for an entirely different girl instead. When I checked again, my favorites list was empty. This girl came up in a casual search for those in my area a few days later. My favorites list was still empty though, and no sign that I had favorited her appeared on her profile. I haven't seen sign of her for a couple of weeks. I've specifically tried to find out if I'd been blocked, or if she may have just left, come back & then left again.

The second girl I favorited also disappeared from my list within a day or so, but she also seemed to have disappeared from the site entirely.

**Zcochran00** · 05-24-15 11:19

And done. Anyone else is certainly welcome to contribute to the index / FAQ thread, but I figure that ought to cover a large portion of the more useful info in this thread. Certainly the stuff that I found particularly helpful.

Just for completeness' sake, the index thread is here in the Richmond forum at http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...-Index-and-FAQ .

I hope this proves helpful to everyone involved in this side of the hobby.

**Zcochran00** · 05-24-15 11:13

Yay, I seem to have finally passed the newbie-moderation-required minimum number of posts. I'll have the remaining index posts up in the next couple minutes.

**Mlboriole** · 05-24-15 09:16

Originally Posted by CaneBay [View Original Post]

I would like to verify some statements that I have been told by my SB. She is in the Southwest VA area, her profile on SA is now deleted. Profile name: double fun 2015 . She would do doubles with a friend and singles. Profile said they were in the Wytheville, VA area. I would appreciate a PM from anyone that met or had contact with them / her. Thanks.

My work has been taking me to SW VA. I would be interested in knowing if you find out anything. I let my premium membership expire on SA so I can't email so haven't checked SW va. Sounds like I need to!

**Dsprdo** · 05-24-15 03:07

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

Any idea if this is the sort of thing that happens when someone blocks you?

I hate the new version that is now mandatory. Not sure about your question, but I was having a conversation two days ago with a brand new girl, it was going well, and the next day her presence was completely gone from the site and all of the messages vanished from my inbox. Typically if a girl deletes her profile the messages remain, that was not the case here so I wondered if I had been blocked. I notice saved searches also don't work correctly all the time. My membership runs out in a week, think I'm going to take a break and mine SD4 M for a while.

**Zcochran00** · 05-23-15 23:00

Saw some weird behavior on SA just now and I'm trying to figure out if the site's having issues, or if I was maybe just blocked. I'd favorited a girl and sent her a message. Saw the message status update to "read", and the next time I refreshed my inbox, the tiny heart icon next to the conversation was gone. If I go to her profile page, it no longer shows her as favorited, and she's not on my favorites list. If I click the icon to favorite her again, it goes back to white after a few seconds.

Any idea if this is the sort of thing that happens when someone blocks you?

**GeorgeRichmond** · 05-23-15 14:25

Originally Posted by RiverCity2011 [View Original Post]

Does anyone hang out with this mother of two in the Richmond area? Can you PM me? I just want to compare notes.

Stay away from Savannah. ! PM me if you like more detail. Also want tto make sure savannah. In VCU area. Sorry. I have been away from this and just rethinking of SB world.

**RiverCity2011** · 05-23-15 11:24

Does anyone hang out with this mother of two in the Richmond area? Can you PM me? I just want to compare notes.

**Zcochran00** · 05-23-15 10:56

Originally Posted by JeezLizard [View Original Post]

Done -- starter thread created.

Sweet, thanks. Will try to get all my posts put up there today.

**JZLizard** · 05-23-15 05:43

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

Just tried hitting the New Thread link here in the Richmond forum, and got a permissions error message. Might be because I'm still a moderated newbie, but not sure.

I've got the remaining posts ready to go (with the process made easier thanks to a little bit of code automation). If someone wants to start a new "Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ" thread, I'll put all my posts up in there. If not, I can just go ahead and post them in here, and maybe a mod can move them later or something.

Done -- starter thread created.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 05-23-15 01:01

Two more pots responded to messages that were sent yesterday. Looks like the tide is flowing in my region. Now I am interested to see how many of these pots come to our m&gs with a case of Gps?

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

It really is interesting how the tide goes in and out in the Sugar ocean. I have the SB who is being weaned from the payroll I mentioned before and one new girl who wants to just hang out, have drinks on the patio and do sleepovers, for a very modest allowance, so things are good, but I see a dry spell of new babies coming on. A month or so ago I couldn't schedule all of the M&G's that were to be had because there were just too many. In the last week or so the responses to my intro have pretty much stopped, and the couple of girls that I have chatted up have been completely off the wall in their expectations. One of my long time girls has gone silent, and my favorite little Latina teen has completely rebuffed me. I guess a SD's work is never done, and one should always be cultivating the next little flower.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 05-23-15 00:58

Without knowing more specifics of the situation, I would guess that your answers to your last two questions are yes and yes. She is probably serious about getting off the payroll, and yes things will probably change.

The only downside is the possibility that she will want you to change your lifestyle because she changed her expectations. If that's not the case, then you my friend have found one of those mystical unicorns that comes along only once every so often.

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

I had not seen one of my longest running SB's in several months, because of my travel and things going on in her life. We kept in touch occasionally through email, but I wasn't sure if we would hook up again. A couple of weeks ago I sent her a note and asked if she wanted to get together, and she enthusiastically agreed. When she came by my place we hugged and sat down to catch up for a few minutes. She told me it had been awhile since she had any good sex and that she was really glad to see me. Being a gentleman, I obliged. As she was leaving I pressed my usual gift into her hand and she said "Not necessary, I think we are past that". I went ahead and put it in her purse but after she left I thought about what she had said. A few days later when she was back to see me I just gave her a big hug as she was leaving and no mention was made of allowance. We have plans to see each other again next week, and I don't plan on any cash then either. I'm curious to see if she is really serious about getting off the payroll or whether this will change things.