Massage Parlor Reports

[Katokay]

The thing that outweighs all of this law conversation is that cops lie. They make things up, plant evidence, etc etc. Many times they justify this because they believe you are guilty and don't care about the law.

[Jolem]

But my understanding has been that stop and identify does not require a reasonable suspicion as cops can always stop you (and often search) based on reasonable suspicion, hence the statute to give them even more leeway.

Absolutely, HS, when I said 'exception' I also meant to their burden of proof. Thanks for clarifying and for good advice!

[HowardSprague]

Subject to HS' answer, here's Wikipedia: ' "Stop and identify" statutes are statute laws in the United States that authorize police to legally obtain the identification of someone whom they reasonably suspect has committed a crime. If the person is not reasonably suspected of committing a crime, they are not required to provide identification, even in states with stop and identify statutes. '.

Police can 1) arrest you, 2) detain you, 3) have a consensual, voluntary conversation with you, or 4) ignore you. To be detained, they must have "a reasonable suspicion" that you committed, or will commit, a crime. If they detain you, you are NOT obliged to answer questions. An exception: stop and identify laws specifically require you to provide identification to police when detained.

HS' advice is spot on: Offer no information, and politely ask if you are being detained, or are free to leave.

That pretty much says it all. But my understanding has been that stop and identify does not require a reasonable suspicion as cops can always stop you (and often search) based on reasonable suspicion, hence the statute to give them even more leeway.

As with anything in law, there are RARELY cut and dried answers. There are always variables. That certainly applies to stops and searches.

We are enveloped in a shell of legal innocence. Cops look for cracks (anything unlawful) in that shell as a way to legally get to you. Whether it was a crack or just a mark on the shell is determined by the courts and affects the admissibility of the evidence the cops find inside that shell. So, they can't really bust you for walking out of an AMP because they don't have any evidence of a crime (though that's not what they'll tell you if they do stop you), but if you stumble they can say they suspected public intoxication. If your car has a cracked taillight, they can stop you for faulty equipment. Those are valid excuses for a stop allowing them to start probing.

[Jolem]

HS, could you please shed a little light on this sentence. I think it may be important and get glossed over.

Subject to HS' answer, here's Wikipedia: ' "Stop and identify" statutes are statute laws in the United States that authorize police to legally obtain the identification of someone whom they reasonably suspect has committed a crime. If the person is not reasonably suspected of committing a crime, they are not required to provide identification, even in states with stop and identify statutes. '.

Police can 1) arrest you, 2) detain you, 3) have a consensual, voluntary conversation with you, or 4) ignore you. To be detained, they must have "a reasonable suspicion" that you committed, or will commit, a crime. If they detain you, you are NOT obliged to answer questions. An exception: stop and identify laws specifically require you to provide identification to police when detained.

HS' advice is spot on: Offer no information, and politely ask if you are being detained, or are free to leave.

[Member #4868]

And remember, Massachusetts does not have a stop and identify statute.

HS, could you please shed a little light on this sentence. I think it may be important and get glossed over.

Thanks.

Pw.

[HowardSprague]

Regardless of whether they get a conviction in court or not the damage gets done and LEO still wins.

They dragged the clients and the providers into court. The papers have pasted their faces in print with headlines and the accusation has been made.

Damage done. You'll never hear that the case was tossed out or the accused found innocent. That's doesn't make headlines but you might find it tucked away on page 33.

I have a good friend who ran AMP's years ago, and believe it or not, some undercover officers posing as clients to sting a provider absolutely do enjoy the entire session before calling in the swarm. Not in every case, but once she got busted and went through the whole court proceeding charged with offering for a fee. While I was escorting her into the court, she explained to me that not one, but several officers who raided her spa were in fact repeat customers. The "uc" who made the arrest actually enjoyed his extra before blowing the whistle. Absolutely true. Whole case went to trial for a year, got thrown out- no warrant to search, and they destroyed the place. On another incident, she was kindly asked to " come down to the station " to talk with the uncle, whereas she was shown photos of her clients entering and exiting her spa, her ads from BP, etc. And reviews also. She was kindly asked to shut down and leave with no issue, and did so respectively. Funny thing is- the uncle also explained to her that both he and several other associates wearing the same uniform actually frequented her spa, and loved it. Pressure from the town folk was directed towards closing the spa, and it was handled in a polite manner. Uncle told her " we know what's going on"- you get the picture. Some spa owners are asked nicely to close, and they quietly do so. Some get raided. Some girls are careful, and some girls are so blinded by greed, they will proposition any client- and bring problems. Actually quite a few uncles frequent these spa's, and why not- at the end of the day they are still men. On another note, having seen evidence against one AMP- I read that customers were stopped after leaving the spa, like a mile down the road or so- then they were questioned. Think you can just say" Only massage!" and they will leave you alone?? Guess again. Customers who were stopped were told point blank " I Know why you were here" and before you tell me " Sir, I only had a massage- my back was hurting" The next response was " fine". " Oh, and by the way, if WE send a "uc" in the spa and he gets propositioned, we are shutting the place down. " Then, we will charge YOU with giving false information". This scenario generated multiple " okay, I got a he", and evidence was collected against the spa. You can just imagine the problems this would cause at home when mama checks the mail before you and sees the letter from the court. "Honey, . What's this all about?

"Officer, am I being detained or am I free to go?

Say nothing. Just witnessing you leaving a building is NOT evidence of a crime in and of itself (in these cases). "We know what you were doing. " No. They suspect. Suspicion is not proof. It's all bullshit intended to intimidate.

Remember, your human nature to comply and please a questioner combined with a programmed deference to authority is your worst weakness. Unless you're caught in the act, they have nothing on you. They don't KNOW anything.

Be polite and walk away. Making any statement can only hurt you. You have a right to refuse to give testimony which might incriminate you. Silence is NOT indicative of guilt.

And remember, Massachusetts does not have a stop and identify statute.

[CMeLater19]

Anyone know of any FS spas in qtown?

And what's the going rate these days?

Thanks in advance.

[SpermSac]

I have a good friend who ran AMP's years ago, and believe it or not, some undercover officers posing as clients to sting a provider absolutely do enjoy the entire session before calling in the swarm. Not in every case, but once she got busted and went through the whole court proceeding charged with offering for a fee. While I was escorting her into the court, she explained to me that not one, but several officers who raided her spa were in fact repeat customers. The "uc" who made the arrest actually enjoyed his extra before blowing the whistle. Absolutely true. Whole case went to trial for a year, got thrown out- no warrant to search, and they destroyed the place. On another incident, she was kindly asked to " come down to the station " to talk with the uncle, whereas she was shown photos of her clients entering and exiting her spa, her ads from BP, etc. And reviews also. She was kindly asked to shut down and leave with no issue, and did so respectively. Funny thing is- the uncle also explained to her that both he and several other associates wearing the same uniform actually frequented her spa, and loved it. Pressure from the town folk was directed towards closing the spa, and it was handled in a polite manner. Uncle told her " we know what's going on"- you get the picture. Some spa owners are asked nicely to close, and they quietly do so. Some get raided. Some girls are careful, and some girls are so blinded by greed, they will proposition any client- and bring problems. Actually quite a few uncles frequent these spa's, and why not- at the end of the day they are still men. On another note, having seen evidence against one AMP- I read that customers were stopped after leaving the spa, like a mile down the road or so- then they were questioned. Think you can just say" Only massage!" and they will leave you alone?? Guess again. Customers who were stopped were told point blank " I Know why you were here" and before you tell me " Sir, I only had a massage- my back was hurting" The next response was " fine". " Oh, and by the way, if WE send a "uc" in the spa and he gets propositioned, we are shutting the place down. " Then, we will charge YOU with giving false information". This scenario generated multiple " okay, I got a he", and evidence was collected against the spa. You can just imagine the problems this would cause at home when mama checks the mail before you and sees the letter from the court. "Honey, . What's this all about?

Regardless of whether they get a conviction in court or not the damage gets done and LEO still wins.

They dragged the clients and the providers into court. The papers have pasted their faces in print with headlines and the accusation has been made.

Damage done. You'll never hear that the case was tossed out or the accused found innocent. That's doesn't make headlines but you might find it tucked away on page 33.

[Mr Bao]

Went to pink again.

Usual deal, 60 for an hr +40 tip. Massage was pretty good, nothing EXCEPTIONAL, but it got the job done.

I usually prefer to go to pawtucket for the FS, but was limited on time so just went there.

If anyone was any info on FS in MA would love to trade info.

I got a few spots, but requires a known influenced person to bring you there.

[RemyS]

Went to pink again.

Usual deal, 60 for an hr +40 tip. Massage was pretty good, nothing EXCEPTIONAL, but it got the job done.

I usually prefer to go to pawtucket for the FS, but was limited on time so just went there.

If anyone was any info on FS in MA would love to trade info.

[Kozmo]

I have a good friend who ran AMP's years ago, and believe it or not, some undercover officers posing as clients to sting a provider absolutely do enjoy the entire session before calling in the swarm. Not in every case, but once she got busted and went through the whole court proceeding charged with offering for a fee. While I was escorting her into the court, she explained to me that not one, but several officers who raided her spa were in fact repeat customers. The "uc" who made the arrest actually enjoyed his extra before blowing the whistle. Absolutely true. Whole case went to trial for a year, got thrown out- no warrant to search, and they destroyed the place. On another incident, she was kindly asked to " come down to the station " to talk with the uncle, whereas she was shown photos of her clients entering and exiting her spa, her ads from BP, etc. And reviews also. She was kindly asked to shut down and leave with no issue, and did so respectively. Funny thing is- the uncle also explained to her that both he and several other associates wearing the same uniform actually frequented her spa, and loved it. Pressure from the town folk was directed towards closing the spa, and it was handled in a polite manner. Uncle told her " we know what's going on"- you get the picture. Some spa owners are asked nicely to close, and they quietly do so. Some get raided. Some girls are careful, and some girls are so blinded by greed, they will proposition any client- and bring problems. Actually quite a few uncles frequent these spa's, and why not- at the end of the day they are still men. On another note, having seen evidence against one AMP- I read that customers were stopped after leaving the spa, like a mile down the road or so- then they were questioned. Think you can just say" Only massage!" and they will leave you alone?? Guess again. Customers who were stopped were told point blank " I Know why you were here" and before you tell me " Sir, I only had a massage- my back was hurting" The next response was " fine". " Oh, and by the way, if WE send a "uc" in the spa and he gets propositioned, we are shutting the place down. " Then, we will charge YOU with giving false information". This scenario generated multiple " okay, I got a he", and evidence was collected against the spa. You can just imagine the problems this would cause at home when mama checks the mail before you and sees the letter from the court. "Honey, . What's this all about?

[AmpExplorer]

That would be great. I've seen Yumi a few times (long time ago) when she was in newton. But when I did some recon on this place just before December, I saw LEO parked out back talking to a tall blonde guy. I passed by three times noticing a very casual conversation between the two. There is a store next to it so maybe he was from there, but it spooked me enough to stay away.

Thats one thing that I like about walkin places. No appointment needed so I don't have to call with my #.

Previous locations Yumi worked more was available.

Wonder if she knew you from before you could get "grandfathered" in for extras? Or is she playing it safe in Norwood.

Do not like places in residential areas from what it sounds like.

Which place in norwood? Northern lights or place on RT 1 at gas station?

[Skatar018]

It's her word against the cop's. There's a contention of fact and it is the province of the court to determine which party is more credible. Sworn officer of the law vs. Accused, whom do you think the court will believe?

While LE has some leeway in the jurisdiction of their duty, they can touch a woman, but can not grope or get fully nude, or partake in sexual service offered, that is against the law as much for them as it is for you or me.

One of the girls allegedly gave a happy ending to an undercover cop

If she did actually give him a HE that is against the law & he can be charged & prosecuted, I doubt a HE happened, probably more of an offer which seems more likely & that is enough evidence to bring charges against someone. There was also TSA agents that were fired for groping & fondling, not sure if they will be prosecuted.

As for who the courts will believe, that really is situational & depends on the preponderance of evidence.

While I can't say who the courts will believe in this case, I can say that I've had a LE sectional supervisor say the exact same thing to me,"if it goes to court who do you think they'll believe".

I kept my mouth shut & when the case went to court it was dismissed & thrown out cause they had no evidence.

I do tend to agree with you that in general the courts usually side with LE.

[HowardSprague]

If she gave the cop a HE then can they use that in court. Question is why did the cop let her give him a HE. If she offered, that is all the evidence he would need I think.

That case will get thrown out.

It's her word against the cop's. There's a contention of fact and it is the province of the court to determine which party is more credible. Sworn officer of the law vs. Accused, whom do you think the court will believe?

[WalterMitty]

Within the last two weeks. Zen on hancock, drew sofia again. Very good massage skills, slow sensual finish. She is older (50?) attractive lady.

Decent shape, didn't attempt to roam. 60/40.

Billings, Nancy. I've seen her before, about a year ago. She's in her 40's,decent massage, nothing of note, meh 60/40.

Most recent.

Boakang, Yuyu. 30 to 40 ?? Short cute, nice attitude. Chinglish speaker. No upsell roaming utc (yoga pants around the ankles) nice bum. Went over time probably because business was slow.

Very good foot massage after he, best I've had since Alice from Lex.

60/50 worth the trip, will repeat.