"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[LoganSt]

Well, I did the site "Sugardaddieforme.com" It is a pay site, but I did meet a LOT of women on there, and I am talking about HOLY SH*T types. Yeah, it was much more expensive then an escort, but it was a great time. The biggest problem I had was that 2 of them wanted to get more then just "friends. " And they both got a lot more involved then I did, they got dropped real fast. Then I had one that was an INCREDIBLE scammer / grifter. Man, she had everything down right to get me to give her as much money as I could. Granted she was SMOKIN hot, and 20 years old. Oh man.

So, if you are going to do the SD thing, make sure you keep your wits about you. There are some normal girls on there, and then some scam artists that will work you like never before, I never thought it would happen to me, but it did.

But, not to make you think everyone is bad on there, I did meet with one lady, and she and I became best friends and have been for a few years now. We didn't have sex, but we quickly found we were better friends then anything else.

Good luck!

[MyName1]

I've been scoring pretty good in this area. It's a little more expensive, but a whole lot more entertaining.

One question I've got. What's the best way to score with the older ladys. Most of the info I've seen on here is geared towards the younger (under 25) student crowd. Anyone have any tips for scoring with the Divorcee's or older single moms. I think they're better in bed and not quite as flaky.

Thanks.

Z.

[Steak 404]

Your situation is not unique so don't lose hope. If you can arrange to "need" short one or two day trips for work, real or not, it can be a good way to fit the SB into your schedule. Many SBs are college co-eds and are available for long lunches, early dinners, etc. The younger they are you do run the risk of their time management skills leaving a lot to be desired. There are more stable single mothers as well, who are on time constraints like you are and so are more likely to value your time and can be a good choice as well. There are certainly more mercenary SBs available than blur the lines between a SB and an UTR but if that works for you it is there. I guess what you have to know is what you want, do you want to go out on dates, etc or are you just looking for stable fun on the side.

Escorts are easier to schedule for sure, and probably cheaper in the long run, but if you are looking for an emotional connection the SB route is really the only way. I have actually had some SBs totally in Atlanta totally downplay the money aspect, either an allowance or per date, and treat things like a normal dating relationship but who are not shy about asking for help when cash issues arise for them. So there are really all types.

If you are willing to risk giving an allowance and trusting the women to hold up their end of the bargain then Atlanta does have some drop dead gorgeous SBs who have a case of GPS. As long as you know what you are getting into and can comfotablly float their requests then that is an avenue as well.

Yeah all depends what you are looking for but there's something for everyone out there. Most of these gals talk about dating but realize this is about private time. They won't complain if you spend almost all your time in a bedroom: yours, hers, or a hotel. I always do an initial public meeting (e. G. Starbucks) for our mutual comfort level and safety. Some I use the initial meeting for evaluation as well. Some guys don't. But in either case after the first meeting she'll usually be down for just hooking up. No need for any pretense about a "date" first.

I'll also second that many of them (not all) will have extended availability during the day because they are students.

[Saintd]

Been wanting to step into this type of scene for quite a while because it seems like the ideal setup. My holdup has been the time commitment with trying to juggle a whole other relationship (what with the job and SO taking up so much time). For this reason, I've been hitting the strip clubs for a quick fix when I can get away, but that's a little hit or miss as well, as my favs are flaky about working a set schedule so I'm never guaranteed not to have a wasted visit. Any of you guys with SO or fam or other significant time sink have any suggestions on how you fit this kind of arrangement into your rotation? Thanks for the help.

Your situation is not unique so don't lose hope. If you can arrange to "need" short one or two day trips for work, real or not, it can be a good way to fit the SB into your schedule. Many SBs are college co-eds and are available for long lunches, early dinners, etc. The younger they are you do run the risk of their time management skills leaving a lot to be desired. There are more stable single mothers as well, who are on time constraints like you are and so are more likely to value your time and can be a good choice as well. There are certainly more mercenary SBs available than blur the lines between a SB and an UTR but if that works for you it is there. I guess what you have to know is what you want, do you want to go out on dates, etc or are you just looking for stable fun on the side.

Escorts are easier to schedule for sure, and probably cheaper in the long run, but if you are looking for an emotional connection the SB route is really the only way. I have actually had some SBs totally in Atlanta totally downplay the money aspect, either an allowance or per date, and treat things like a normal dating relationship but who are not shy about asking for help when cash issues arise for them. So there are really all types.

If you are willing to risk giving an allowance and trusting the women to hold up their end of the bargain then Atlanta does have some drop dead gorgeous SBs who have a case of GPS. As long as you know what you are getting into and can comfotablly float their requests then that is an avenue as well.

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't travel to them period. If they can't travel to me (& have reliable transportation on a going basis) I'm not interested.

This is also why I will do M&Gs. I have a couple regular spots that are just minutes from my place. I don't head over until I voice confirm the M&G date less than an hour beforehand. It isn't a perfect system but it significantly minimizes wasted time.

I do M&Gs with no guarantees of anything further with all dates. Sure I build rapport via emails / text / phone as well but M&Gs are important part of my process. Actual chemistry is important to me. Sure there are many I'll bang once for the hell of it but I'm really looking for someone that is on the same page as me.

Again, nobody's system or process is perfect. Not mine. Not Hollywood Guy's or any of the others that have shared. Processes can be different. The important thing is find a process that works for you vs. Just talking to girls and hoping it works.

A lot of my babies are lower income and very young. So no car. But that's ok. No unexpected visitors either. If it becomes a regular thing then I will move them to public transportation to come to me. My ATF is 20 or so miles away. I have made 2 RT's here and there. But mostly she comes to me on the bus/train or occasionally I go to her place when she is alone.

[Steak 404]

There are so many that fall into this category if you can swing it.
Unfortunately I have to limit my searches to 25 miles.

I don't travel to them period. If they can't travel to me (& have reliable transportation on a going basis) I'm not interested.

This is also why I will do M&Gs. I have a couple regular spots that are just minutes from my place. I don't head over until I voice confirm the M&G date less than an hour beforehand. It isn't a perfect system but it significantly minimizes wasted time.

I do M&Gs with no guarantees of anything further with all dates. Sure I build rapport via emails / text / phone as well but M&Gs are important part of my process. Actual chemistry is important to me. Sure there are many I'll bang once for the hell of it but I'm really looking for someone that is on the same page as me.

Again, nobody's system or process is perfect. Not mine. Not Hollywood Guy's or any of the others that have shared. Processes can be different. The important thing is find a process that works for you vs. Just talking to girls and hoping it works.

[HollywoodGuy]

If you don't mind doing some driving there are some gems out there that don't get as much traffic due to their distance from town.

There are so many that fall into this category if you can swing it.
Unfortunately I have to limit my searches to 25 miles.

[Harley32]

I started off with What's your Price several years ago and found it was a waste of time. Why pay upfront and be out time only to find out it's not going to work out? I soon found Sugar Daddy for Me and it was a LOT more honest in my opinion. But there are a LOT of ladies on there that have been on there for years. They just set up a new profile and set out their net again. But it is semi-reasonably priced compared to Seeking Arrangement. SA is a good site but $70 for 30 days is just highway robbery. SD Today was recommended to me by one of of my on again off again sugar babies. I had some initial luck on there and given that's it's free, it's hard to beat. But they only keep your email for 30 days or so so it's hard to keep up with who've you've talked with before and lately it's seemed to have really slowed down.

I don't live in Atlanta but travel there frequently enough that it's a good place for me to play. But, I'm not willing to make a trip just for a meet and greet. So I approach things a little differently than some of the other guys have discussed on here. I do try to develop a rapport and has already been said, be a gentleman, you'll stand out in a good way. I try to find out first what kind of arrangement they're envisioning and what their financial expectations. If either don't meet mine, I thank them for their time and move on. There are a lot of ladies who are seeking to meet during the day for instance and that simply won't work for me or they have GPS. If the financial part seems to be out of whack I'll simply say that I'm unable to meet their expectation but I'd be able to do X if they're interested. It is a bit of a numbers game. You may get a great response from a lady that might not have seemed like you'd be a good fit and hear nothing from someone that seems a great fit. Just go with it and take advantage of the opportunities that come your way. I do seem to have better luck with younger AA ladies, 18-22. But I'm also seeing a 38 yr old white lady from a smaller town that's smokin hot. You just never know. If you don't mind doing some driving there are some gems out there that don't get as much traffic due to their distance from town.

One thing that I've found is that it takes a lot of work to make this work, at least it does in my case. I have high expectations with regard to time commitment from them (min 4 hrs which would include a meal and some overnights) and a pretty reasonable donation (100-125 per visit). Now I'll spend nearly that amount again getting a hotel room (very few are able to host) and dinner. But the payoff is worth it for me. I do enjoy the chase and it's a very different experience than seeing an escort for an hr.

For someone just getting into this I'd suggest either SDFM or SA and just join for a month to start. Because these ladies aren't pros it may take a few weeks before you're able to work everything out and meet. And it's often feast or famine. You could have a dry week where nothing happens and then one where 5 ladies suddenly want to meet. Better to have several you're working on at once but not too many.

[Bowtie]

LOL, being the least creepy has worked for me on several occasions! I can't believe how many assholes are out there, treat the young ladies nicely and be a gentleman, and it pays off. Some of the stories these girls have seen, damn. I started using sugar daddy today, it has dried up, but I still look because its free. I also use what's your price, had good luck there but a lot of flakes, now switching to the masters suggestion of seeking arrangements (master being HWG). While the pickings are clearly different here in central Ohio, his wisdom transfers well. Read up on his 5 steps if you haven't already. It works.

A couple of things to keep in mind. From their perspective:

1) You don't get what you don't ask for -- hence the crazy high starting prices -- who knows they might snag a rich guy that really doesn't care about "market value" -- on the other hand they mind not get much action.

2) Many gals are new - - they don't know what their "market value" really is. They are conditioned by media stories that glamorize "Sugar Daddy" relationships as well as the "averages" and examples sites like SA use in their blog, etc.

Ask them about their prior experiences. Many of them will confide they really don't have any. Tell them "in the past when I've had an arrangement like this, typically I've done xyz".

3) Unlike the escort world where negotiating listed rates is frowned upon by many women, it is a very normal and accepted part of the Sugar world. Be tactful of course but don't discard someone just because they have crazy "list prices"

Listen to what they say. What are they really looking for?

Also keep in mind, being a gentleman goes a long way. A nearly universal comment I've heard from younger women is guys their age don't know how to treat a lady.

Ultimately you want to make the gifts only a portion of what you bring to the table. The only way they see that is by meeting and interacting with you.

Some of my best relationships started after she'd met a couple of other guys (sometimes for a M&G, sometimes for more) and realized that I was the least creepy of the guys she'd met.

[HollywoodGuy]

A couple of things to keep in mind. From their perspective:

1) You don't get what you don't ask for -- hence the crazy high starting prices -- who knows they might snag a rich guy that really doesn't care about "market value" -- on the other hand they mind not get much action.

2) Many gals are new - - they don't know what their "market value" really is. They are conditioned by media stories that glamorize "Sugar Daddy" relationships as well as the "averages" and examples sites like SA use in their blog, etc.

Ask them about their prior experiences. Many of them will confide they really don't have any. Tell them "in the past when I've had an arrangement like this, typically I've done xyz".

3) Unlike the escort world where negotiating listed rates is frowned upon by many women, it is a very normal and accepted part of the Sugar world. Be tactful of course but don't discard someone just because they have crazy "list prices"

Listen to what they say. What are they really looking for?

Also keep in mind, being a gentleman goes a long way. A nearly universal comment I've heard from younger women is guys their age don't know how to treat a lady.

Ultimately you want to make the gifts only a portion of what you bring to the table. The only way they see that is by meeting and interacting with you.

Some of my best relationships started after she'd met a couple of other guys (sometimes for a M&G, sometimes for more) and realized that I was the least creepy of the guys she'd met.

I suppose it all goes to supply and demand. This is excellent advice especially in areas of low availability or for anyone looking to upgrade. My area is the opposite. I never invest the extra time to "maybe" breakdown or negotiate with a GPS girl. Especially in person.

Like you or someone said in earlier posts, there is an investment of time that can outstrip the dollars spent. Unfortunately I don't have the time but I do have the abundance of new girls coming on to the market on a regular basis. If I could ever make the time I would definitely consider it to land a hottie that is in need of a more balanced relationship.

[Steak 404]

A couple of things to keep in mind. From their perspective:

1) You don't get what you don't ask for -- hence the crazy high starting prices -- who knows they might snag a rich guy that really doesn't care about "market value" -- on the other hand they mind not get much action.

2) Many gals are new - - they don't know what their "market value" really is. They are conditioned by media stories that glamorize "Sugar Daddy" relationships as well as the "averages" and examples sites like SA use in their blog, etc.

Ask them about their prior experiences. Many of them will confide they really don't have any. Tell them "in the past when I've had an arrangement like this, typically I've done xyz".

3) Unlike the escort world where negotiating listed rates is frowned upon by many women, it is a very normal and accepted part of the Sugar world. Be tactful of course but don't discard someone just because they have crazy "list prices"

Listen to what they say. What are they really looking for?

Also keep in mind, being a gentleman goes a long way. A nearly universal comment I've heard from younger women is guys their age don't know how to treat a lady.

Ultimately you want to make the gifts only a portion of what you bring to the table. The only way they see that is by meeting and interacting with you.

Some of my best relationships started after she'd met a couple of other guys (sometimes for a M&G, sometimes for more) and realized that I was the least creepy of the guys she'd met.

[Steak 404]

Bobby-.

Regarding GPS. The one's that are crazy GPS discard as quickly as possible. The one's that are more reasonable offer to meet for an unpaid M&G (coffee, a drink, lunch). This is where the your time investment starts to add up but you can do some things to minimize how much time you burn.

When they meet you, like you, feel comfortable with you all of a sudden those GPS numbers they toss around start to melt away. On your end if you don't like them or the two of you don't "click," you move on.

In a lot of ways this is similar to the strippers you do off the clock quasifreebies with (I play in that space as well). The ones it works with work because they like you not because you throw them exorbitant sums.

Ultimately the ones that will be the best fit with you aren't the ones that you "outbid" the competition for but the ones that like you.

[HollywoodGuy]

Good look out Steak and Bowtie. I've been out of the civie dating game for a minute but have managed to parlay a few of my stripper friends from Follies into semi-regular hook-ups without (additional outside the club) compensation so hopefully some of that'll transfer over. Like some of you guys I'm looking more for that balanced connection between physical and mental. Got plenty of disposable income so I left the backpage train a long time ago as I just got tired of the attitudes, hygiene and hit-or-miss nature. Agencies have been good as long as you're ok with confining the interactions to the inside of the incall and that's it. The stripper scene has been. Well it's been fun but good lord are some of these girls scary damaged. I've dipped my dick in crazy too many times and am trying to ease out of there. Problem is crazy seems to know just how to push your buttons to keep you coming back for another taste!

So yeah, I've tried Arrangement Finders (that advertise here) and every decent looking 21-25 yr old I came across definitely had GPS asking for obnoxious gifts. Maybe it was the time of year I was looking or something but I had a string of misses on there. I'm hoping that summer will bring a few of the hungry college girls back to the A that'll be more reasonable. What sites have you guys had the best luck with?

As a dating industry professional of sorts. I have worked and still do work for many as a database consultant. Stick to SA and SD4M. I can not vouch for any others. Except the very mainstream sites like eHarmony, etc. But for sugar, only those two.

[Bobbyj29]

Good look out Steak and Bowtie. I've been out of the civie dating game for a minute but have managed to parlay a few of my stripper friends from Follies into semi-regular hook-ups without (additional outside the club) compensation so hopefully some of that'll transfer over. Like some of you guys I'm looking more for that balanced connection between physical and mental. Got plenty of disposable income so I left the backpage train a long time ago as I just got tired of the attitudes, hygiene and hit-or-miss nature. Agencies have been good as long as you're ok with confining the interactions to the inside of the incall and that's it. The stripper scene has been. Well it's been fun but good lord are some of these girls scary damaged. I've dipped my dick in crazy too many times and am trying to ease out of there. Problem is crazy seems to know just how to push your buttons to keep you coming back for another taste!

So yeah, I've tried Arrangement Finders (that advertise here) and every decent looking 21-25 yr old I came across definitely had GPS asking for obnoxious gifts. Maybe it was the time of year I was looking or something but I had a string of misses on there. I'm hoping that summer will bring a few of the hungry college girls back to the A that'll be more reasonable. What sites have you guys had the best luck with?

[Steak 404]

As for cost, if I would take the time to put into a spreadsheet and actually figure the cost per F, backpage or other escort site would be WAY LESS cash, aggrivation and time. Not even close, but I need the emotional connection, its more real than the GFE a lot of guys are hunting..

We all spend differently.

Regarding costs, all in, if you went the Backpage route that is without question the least expensive route.

If you went with a better agency ($300/ hr and up) you are spending more on going the agency route (depends of frequency) but probably not much. They should be comparable. You can get a good piece of Sugar for much less than $300/ hour and you don't pay for "hanging out" time or dinners (than the check).

The real "cost" is your time.

Really kind of flips this whole thing on its head in a way. With an escort ostensibly you are paying for her time and availability (I know, and to leave). With a Sugar Baby you spend (invest) your time vetting them and dealing with their unproductive behaviors (like no shows and cancellations) as well as the occasional gift to an incompatible baby. As an offset the actual gift you give her is typically less than a comparable "pro".