"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FTP1999]

Did he tell you how much?

Traditional ones w / o insurance can be just crazy expensive.

I met a coupe who fuck without a condom. I just don't want to be a daddy.

I have a missus without a physical relationship and am thinking of getting it. There was a long discussion on this forum about how to do it UTR in response to my question. I came across a doctor (not sure if he was a urologist) who offered a minimally invasive procedure more effective than the conventional technique with hardly any recovery time. If I did need any time to recover I am planning to just stay home and tell everyone (work & family) that I am under the weather!

BTW do not use your health insurance! Pay cash if possible or use a Vanilla (prepaid) credit card / check on a secret bank account.

Even if you are intimate with your SO there will always be a few day in a month when she will not be seeing "it" since she cannot use "it".

Do not give up so quickly bro' explore and research all possible ways of accomplishing it. As they. No pain No gain.

Why have I not yet done it? Because I have yet to score with an SB in her reproductive years sob. Sob and the couple that I have been with allow CIM / facial.

[PghGuy2005]

I have a missus without a physical relationship and am thinking of getting it. There was a long discussion on this forum about how to do it UTR in response to my question. I came across a doctor (not sure if he was a urologist) who offered a minimally invasive procedure more effective than the conventional technique with hardly any recovery time. If I did need any time to recover I am planning to just stay home and tell everyone (work & family) that I am under the weather!

BTW do not use your health insurance! Pay cash if possible or use a Vanilla (prepaid) credit card / check on a secret bank account.

Even if you are intimate with your SO there will always be a few day in a month when she will not be seeing "it" since she cannot use "it".

Do not give up so quickly bro' explore and research all possible ways of accomplishing it. As they. No pain No gain.

Why have I not yet done it? Because I have yet to score with an SB in her reproductive years sob. Sob and the couple that I have been with allow CIM / facial.

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.



Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

[PghGuy2005]

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Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

What's so different with SBs? The worst that can happen is they say no to CIM and the ones of the type that HWG dates are teachable so they can learn to swallow a load.

[HollywoodGuy]

A POT I started messaging yesterday. She is on board for the $ donation. She is 25,5'6". Tight body. Most likely UTR. But not totally sure yet. Another 7/9.

[Member #5055]

Easy one -- unload inside -- every time. Even if they say not to, I have faked it and then pulled out and pretended to unload afterwards (I know. I am bad LOL), or if I know I will not see them again -- just unload and take the heat!

I will say that the above is rare, most I see either know I am vas safe, or are on the pill and do not care!

GW.

For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

[FyrGuy33]

For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

Since I have had a vasectomy, if I get a SB to where we are barebacking, I never pull out unless it's to do some face painting. Since I can't get them preggo it's really a no brainer.

[Graham111]

Once I had my vasectomy I just got used to it. Now I have a real tough time to pull out and do anything else. And a hatred of condoms. .

For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

[JZLizard]

For those of you who have had vasectomies, do you unload inside the girl or do you pull out?

The reason I ask is that when I was a teenager, I would cum inside them more out of laziness or stupidity maybe. I always figured that pulling out right as I came would diminish the best part of the experience. But in my teens, I either was banging someone I was dating (in which case they would often be on the pill), or it was kind of a drunken one-night stand where I figured the odds of pregnancy were small with an occasional incident, and I knew a girl that age that barely knew me had good motivation to abort (to save her reputation). Plus I had no real assets to go after at the time so I didn't give it much thought.

As I got older and began to acquire and own things (had something to potentially lose in a paternity case), I started pulling out every single time, even if she said she was on the pill. It's actually hard for me to remember whether it diminishes the experience or not, that's how long it's been since I came inside a woman. I recall doing so once about 12 years ago with a one-night stand, but it was an accident. I was having too much fun, she was riding me cowgirl, and I just didn't have the heart to stop her before the big event. She was married so it kind of freaked her out, as she was not on the pill or anything, luckily no pregnancy followed.

Usually with most women I "date" (current SO included), I like to finish in their mouth, getting maximum intensity of orgasm without risk of pregnancy (I realize that's a preferential thing, but to me coming in their mouth feels the best of all options). With SBs I don't typically expect them to take a load in the mouth -- I'm sure many of them would, but since I typically only go out with any given SB once, it normally seems more convenient to just pull out and paste them all over their tits, tummy, ass or whatever than to try to see if they are the type that will take a mouth shot.

So recently, I was thinking to myself, if I had a vasectomy, would I just cum inside from then on? I really don't know. Old habits die hard and I guess I've gotten fond of seeing how much goo I can blast them with, and they seem kind of fond of it too (I guess it's the ultimate showing of appreciation if you look at it that way. LOL).

What do those of you who are snipped do?

[FyrGuy33]

Why I don't cave to the GPS girls. First of all I can't afford to. And that's a real concern. I understand addiction quite well and I also understand risk management. And and I also have no problem dating girls with good bodies, a certain personality type, and superior skills. But I do have to give in on the looks dept sometimes (many times) to get those tiny bodies, porn star skills and little girl qualities that keep me hard.

I have tried this approach on several occasions. Much to my surprise, I have had success twice. The first one was the 27 y / o I reported on here that I met for breakfast and was GPS. We settled on $250, which I find reasonable because she hosts. My reasoning is that I would go as high as $200, and pay for the SS. So, $250 and her hosting, while it's still what I consider at the high end, is within my budget limit. The down side is I won't be able to see her as much as I would like because of the price. And, her skill level is worth every penny of the price.

The second one I finally got to the FC yesterday. We had a car date where we went to a DD drive thru and then sat and talked in the car. Turned out we know several of the same people, and I am personal friends with her ex. I really don't remember her from when they were married. Anyway, she wanted something like $400 if I remember right, and I offered $150. We agreed to say goodbye and good luck. While I was out of town she texts me and asks if I am still interested. I tell her at $150 yes, anything more, no. She says she will take $150. Yesterday we meet and take a trip to the FC. While she was good enough that I would see her again, she was no way in hell worth more than the $150. Apparently, at her price she had no takers. So, the moral of the story is do not give up just because they are GPS. Sometimes they will come to their senses and you score. Of course, sometimes you find out after you get them to the FC that they may be 9's or 10's in the looks department, but fail in the skills department. That is why I don't care much for the game of pay the price once just to fuck a 9 or 10, and then move on. If it's poor skills, I feel I wasted my precious hobby funds.

[HollywoodGuy]

25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.

I remember when my wife said the same thing way back when. And I refused. I finally saw the light just as I entered the bowl. Not a moment too soon.

[FyrGuy33]

Man, hindsight is 20-20. I wish I had a vasectomy when I had the chance.

This would make sex w SBs so much better now.

Can't do it now without making obvious what I am doing. Dang.

25 years ago my wife decided the baby factory was closing down. It was either she had a hysterectomy or I get a vasectomy. Reluctantly, I had the vasectomy. Little did I know at the time how much I would benefit from that. I have had several affairs and played in the sugar bowl where it led to bareback after a while. I wouldn't even considered such a move without that as every one of them were / are of the age where they could get pregnant.

[HollywoodGuy]

How do you "keep after the GPS POTs"

By messaging them periodically? Only low level GPS girls. Like the $$ and $$$ girls. Usually 18-20 only. But I guess they could be any age. Find ones that still have fantasies other than being rich. LOL.

[PghGuy2005]

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But I can see that by applying some patience to some of these GPS girls (and GPS mainly due to their beauty.) The ones that want you to keep after them so they can feel special. That I could win many of them over quickly at $.5 (and $$ would be a no brainer).
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How do you "keep after the GPS POTs" after their message that they expect many $ per date to which I either reply that is way beyond my budget or I can only offer fewer $.

All communication ceases at this point do I just email them after some time (couple of months?) has passed? If yes what should I say in it "Hey how are you? I am still available etc. ".

[PghGuy2005]

Depends on your game. It never ceases to amaze me how an SB can expect a guy to pay her a salary and not give up the pooty. But they do. They have to feel good about themselves and not like a hooker. I think you have to take them out and woo them, while letting them know up front that sex is expected at some point if they want an allowance. If they like you and are a little bit attracted they will give it up. There's a difference between taking then to a nice place for dinner, then head back to the FC for bedtime, as opposed to meeting at a Hotel for "the deed".

I am compelled to go straight to the FC by my life circumstances, thus have very little success compared to the old days when I could wine and dine them.

Have to do everything UTR. Please tell me that you've had some success at least with the older SBs who seem to be in it just for the $.

[PghGuy2005]

I would suggest trying both or all available methods of payment and whatever goes through is what works! Just enter some made up data for personal info but the ZIP should be whatever you set for your Vanilla card.

In the US credit cards use only the ZIP for verification and that is all that can be set on the Vanilla web site.

At one point the first option at SA was through a foreign processor and hence Vanilla cards did not work with it.

Hey guys,

Just bought a Vanilla VISA card to try and renew my membership on SA. After registering the card I tried to renew the subscription on SA and was presented with two VISA payment options. Both labeled "Primary". Per the forum I was looking for " on SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar". Unlike the old 2nd option this one required all of the typical personal info. Does anyone know if this is a permanent change that has been put into effect by Vanilla VISA? I don't remember having to enter all those personal details the first time I completed the VISA card info.