"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

I play in both worlds for the exact reasons you talk about. There are times when I don't have time or energy to spend on turning a pot to a SB.

I also still visit the ocassional AMP, and head to the strip joint from time to time.

As for a $30 k budget, I have found there is an inverse relationship between amount of effort required to turn a pot into a SB and allowance offered. Meaning, if that is your budget, you should have ladies propositioning you, and not the other way around.

I apologize in advance for my continued posting of questions. This SB thing clearly intrigues me. If someone wouldn't mind helping me out with some thoughts based on the below scenario I'd appreciate it.

Let's say I have a yearly budget of around $30 k to run wild with (meaning it's not noticable by the wife). I generally use that to meet up with different providers, and since I do quite a bit of research it's rare for me to have a bad experience. I like this because they're hot, consistent and I can lather, rinse repeat with a, to a large extent, known outcome. Not a huge time investment either since it's usally a couple of texts to set up, maybe a call and done. The best part of this from a personal safety standpoint is these women don't know who I am IRL.

Assuming I have a little game left in me, if I were to take that budget and apply it to the bowl, what would be the outcome? I feel like I'd have a lot less control and there's the chance of crazy showing up on my doorstep. Plus it sure does seem like the time investment cultivating these SB's is huge! But it sounds as though once you have the model right there's a big payoff.

Have any of you tried the SB thing and gone back to straight providers because it was too much of a hassle or caused problems?

Thanks. FH.

[Walruscl]

Have any of you tried the SB thing and gone back to straight providers because it was too much of a hassle or caused problems?

Wow, well let me first say that you're the envy of any SD that you have 30 K of disposable income that also flies under the radar of your SO. The possibilities of that are enticing.

In my limited experience I'd have to say that the bowl really takes the shine off the straight providers. Once my situation comes to an inevitable conclusion, I would be hard-pressed to be satisfied there. The bowl is, as many can attest, a lot of work. It was a lot of time and effort to find my one, I couldn't imagine keeping up a rotation. But the payoff. Oh the payoff. Words cannot do it justice, it simply must be experienced.

[HollywoodGuy]

I must admit I am disgusted with the thought of making out with a woman my age, why wouldn't the young girls?

This is the very first question I ask any POT. The very first (of the sexual questions). If they are not down for some serious making out I will not meet them. Some lie. Most don't. Some are good. Some are bad. All my regulars are addicted kissers and amazing at it. This is a lost art many girls crave (of any age guy).

[NutInHer]

I must admit I am disgusted with the thought of making out with a woman my age, why wouldn't the young girls?

This is an awesome quote, well said my friend.

[First Half]

I apologize in advance for my continued posting of questions. This SB thing clearly intrigues me. If someone wouldn't mind helping me out with some thoughts based on the below scenario I'd appreciate it.

Let's say I have a yearly budget of around $30 k to run wild with (meaning it's not noticable by the wife). I generally use that to meet up with different providers, and since I do quite a bit of research it's rare for me to have a bad experience. I like this because they're hot, consistent and I can lather, rinse repeat with a, to a large extent, known outcome. Not a huge time investment either since it's usally a couple of texts to set up, maybe a call and done. The best part of this from a personal safety standpoint is these women don't know who I am IRL.

Assuming I have a little game left in me, if I were to take that budget and apply it to the bowl, what would be the outcome? I feel like I'd have a lot less control and there's the chance of crazy showing up on my doorstep. Plus it sure does seem like the time investment cultivating these SB's is huge! But it sounds as though once you have the model right there's a big payoff.

Have any of you tried the SB thing and gone back to straight providers because it was too much of a hassle or caused problems?

Thanks. FH.

[FredMoore]

I have a 26 yr old client / friend who is an ass man. He works the bars and scores pussy all day long. So young guys have more appeal IRL to these babies who see them as peers. Old (er) men definitely require a leap of faith and suspension of normally accepted standards the girls grew up with. Once they experience a caring talented older lover they get hooked like we do. I must admit I am disgusted with the thought of making out with a woman my age, why wouldn't the young girls?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Like you said, after factoring in the cost of paying for drinks, and then taking into account the possibility of going home empty handed, being on a sugar site is a value proposition.

Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off. How much time and money is that going to cost? Time is money in my book. If you young guys can manage to pick ladies and play in the game as well, that is good. But as Smelly alluded to, if I were single I'd be playing in the bowl vice hitting the bars when most I are empty. Better to get a sure thing with a little investment rather than going home empty handed. Just saying.

BG sends.

[FredMoore]

Sugar is drying up for me. I think what is happening I am getting too direct too quickly since all I can do is go straight to the FC. I am giving off the desperate / John / creeper vibe. The 18 to 22 yr olds are interested at first but when I pretty rapidly go to the "let's meet" phase they vanish. Perhaps they are just playing around and not serious but I know from the past successes and your stories that Sugar is live and well.

Two of the prettiest girls I have seen in a long time are working my market. Both gave enough info to access their FB accounts, and both have BFs liberally sprinkled throughout their pictures. So they have BFs they are snuggling up to and are looking to Bang a stranger for money. Ah Life is good. I wouldn't be too happy to have a GF like that. Unfortunately it won't be me they are banging. The 12/10 has an absolute thug as a BF. It never ceases to amaze me how a stunningly beautiful girl can have such plebeian taste. I assume because they are pretty that they are smart, educated, and cultured but that is not always true.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Once you go down this road its very hard to go back (not that you'd want to). Even hot SB's start to look less interesting when you know its gonna be all vanilla. And over time it becomes much easier to spot and train the next one. I qualify them on the first date (sometimes before). And these are the type of girls that don't care and actually crave a Daddy with multiple little girls.

I had a M&G recently that was surreal. She asked to tie me up and threw a tantrum when I hesitated. It was a M&G over a nice dinner, we get back to my place and after some kissing and fondeling its ON. I give into her tying me up with some neckties. I'm fearful because I think she could rob or murder me. We just met. She's a 22 yr old SPINNER. 5'10", slim and did fashion modeling in NYC. She finished college and is now back home living with her military parents. Once I'm tied up she starts slapping the shit out of me across the face. She then gives me the sloppiest blowjob ever. It was nasty. She never loses eye contact with me the whole time. This SB really blew my mind. Right when I'm close to exploding she stops and ends everything. I don't know what to think or how this is going to end up. We didn't have any discussion about sugar. We plan on linking up again this weekend, but by far this has been my best Bowl experience since I got my first official SB.

I have one main SB and weight as well be a couple. Full GFE and emotional attachment from both of us. Main SB likes to hug and is very submissive. At this point I'm unsure how to proceed. This new dominatrix chick is outstanding. I have had some FC from other girls in between. If I could count the screams of "fck me Daddy" I'd be a millionaire.

The Bowl is awesome. I suspect there's an epidemic in my area. I'm starting to run into to SB's they I had a M&G with while out on the town during the weekdays. It's starting to become a bit overwhelming. Are you guys experiencing this too?

[HollywoodGuy]

have found out her fantasies are daddy / daughter and dom / sub. And she wants to explore them both. She is always calling me Daddy now. A

Once you go down this road its very hard to go back (not that you'd want to). Even hot SB's start to look less interesting when you know its gonna be all vanilla. And over time it becomes much easier to spot and train the next one. I qualify them on the first date (sometimes before). And these are the type of girls that don't care and actually crave a Daddy with multiple little girls.

[HollywoodGuy]

Here is todays POT. A tall 20 year old willing to come to me.

So after some email, then txting and finally talking on the phone she says she will be here tomorrow about 3 for a rest of the day date. She has to drive 50 miles to get here. A long way in L. A. Probably 90 minutes at least. But she is off school tomorrow and nothing to do. She accepted the $ but I am sure we will also go to dinner. This is what I really look for. A girl perfectly in my demographic. A tall spinner. Tall or short I don't really care anymore. But slender and young I do care. Turns out she is 20, 5'9" and 120. And pretty. So another at least 7/9 hopefully 8/9.

[FyrGuy33]

As we all know, nothing in this game is ever a sure thing. Sometimes you walk away from a m&g and think your going to score, and sometimes you walk away thinking you will never hear from her again. And sometimes exactly the opposite is what happens.

With that said, the 27 y / o gorgeous redhead that wanted $250 has been a real gem. She probably has the best skills I have ever come across. I have seen her 3 times now, twice at her place. The only reason I agreed to the $250 was because she said she would host after the first time. I reasoned that the upper limit of my budget is $200, and then I would normally have to spring for a SS, which brings it pretty much to the $250. Glad I made that decision as it gets better each time I see her.

I have gone silent on my 46 y / o MILF as she started to become Nando and any time we texted it became a session of all her problems.

The 41 y / o MILF that was pretty much just looking for a fuck buddy and not any sugar has gone silent. We texted several times after the m&g and all was going good, then nothing. Oh well, NEXT!

Finally, the 29 y / o in Florida is turning out to be her replacement. A sexy looking, dirty little girl. When I was down there with the Warden, I was able to sneak out and meet her at a local watering hole for a couple of cocktails. She is primed and ready for me. And this one appears to be sugar free. She told me all about how she hates guys her age and is tired of them. Therefor, looking for an older man to take care of her sexual needs, as she stated it. Texting back and forth has been pretty incredible. I have found out her fantasies are daddy / daughter and dom / sub. And she wants to explore them both. She is always calling me Daddy now. Another 1-1/2 weeks I am going back for 2 weeks without the Warden. All indications are this is going to be a fuck fest while I am there.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have to respectfully disagree. First, let me say that never, at any point in my game have I been guaranteed to walk into a bar or club and leave with a one night stand / instant trip to the bed. It's just not that easy, some nights at some places you don't even see anyone worth hitting on, other times you leave with three phone numbers. Sometimes you get lucky with someone you meet after the DJ calls last call and the club starts turning their lights on to run people out.

Around the early 2000's, online dating started really taking off, and ever since then hookups have been easier. It may take a bit of chatting and texting, but I've had TONS of insta-fucks from online dating, everything from run of the mill sluts to highly educated women, college students, MILFs, you name it. Most of the time it's fairly easy to get them back to my place, and once there, sex is usually a sure thing. Online dating was a godsend in this regard, because at bars a woman is usually with her friends, and she doesn't want her friends to see her leave with you or whatever.

Sure, a dinner meeting is usually best but that works both ways, I want the right to be able to cut things short if she doesn't look like her pics for example. But I've met women that insisted on picking up their share of the dinner tab before we even met, yet still went back to my place and fucked my nuts off.

Reminds me of my first online hook-up. It was on yahoo free dating about 15 years ago. I messaged a girls profile (they didn't even have pics then). She messages me back saying she is a pro and I made a mistake. I told I didn't really care what she did for a living and long story short. I banged her maybe 10 times for free over the next 6 months. She was actually a sex addicted college professor by day and an occasional pro on the weekends. I even stayed at her house one weekend. Here is todays POT. A tall 20 year old willing to come to me.

[JZLizard]

Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off.

I have to respectfully disagree. First, let me say that never, at any point in my game have I been guaranteed to walk into a bar or club and leave with a one night stand / instant trip to the bed. It's just not that easy, some nights at some places you don't even see anyone worth hitting on, other times you leave with three phone numbers. Sometimes you get lucky with someone you meet after the DJ calls last call and the club starts turning their lights on to run people out.

Around the early 2000's, online dating started really taking off, and ever since then hookups have been easier. It may take a bit of chatting and texting, but I've had TONS of insta-fucks from online dating, everything from run of the mill sluts to highly educated women, college students, MILFs, you name it. Most of the time it's fairly easy to get them back to my place, and once there, sex is usually a sure thing. Online dating was a godsend in this regard, because at bars a woman is usually with her friends, and she doesn't want her friends to see her leave with you or whatever.

Sure, a dinner meeting is usually best but that works both ways, I want the right to be able to cut things short if she doesn't look like her pics for example. But I've met women that insisted on picking up their share of the dinner tab before we even met, yet still went back to my place and fucked my nuts off.

[HollywoodGuy]

Iluvsmelly,

Very well stated. I would also like to add, how much coin do you spend at a bar or other gathering trying to pick up chicks? Trust me when I say this but in this day and age, I don't care what kind of game you have, most chicks are not putting out on first encounters unless really drunk. It is going to take a date or two if you are good to get the panties to come off. How much time and money is that going to cost? Time is money in my book. If you young guys can manage to pick ladies and play in the game as well, that is good. But as Smelly alluded to, if I were single I'd be playing in the bowl vice hitting the bars when most I are empty. Better to get a sure thing with a little investment rather than going home empty handed. Just saying.

BG sends.

We can't change the past and even if we could who knows if things would have turned out better. But if I would have been more aware of this option in my younger years I am sure I would have done things differently. It seems to me there are two kinds of game (in the FC / not in the FC). But I never got to develop my not in the FC game until my 50's. I don't drink and have no time to hang out or go places where I might meet girls. I haven't had that opportunity since I turned maybe 21. I work way too much for that. Also I am a dork. LOL. So sugaring has allowed me to get in front of hundreds of girls in a way where they are listening (for the obvious reasons) but listening all the same. The quantity and quality of girls I see now is just great. I did get some hot girls in my youth but it was hit or miss with lots of down time. So I say start at any age and enjoy.