"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FyrGuy33]

We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.

BTW HWG, I would like to thank you for giving me not only pointers but motivation to ramp up my game. Your posts are probably more valuable to the brothers here than you realize. I think everyone has contributed valuable advice here. When we post about our experiences, there is always someone who learns something. I know I had a pretty good game going before I stumbled onto this thread, but you and several others have helped me to hone my trade with the ladies. It's all about having a game plan and being confident you can deploy it. The young lady today passed a comment between rounds that what she found so attractive during our time at breakfast was how I presented myself as a confident man who knew exactly what he wanted. She said she was wet sitting there talking to me. After thinking about this, I have realized that it separates us from the 20 something guys that these girls are always having to deal with. Unlike us older gents, they are not confident and do not express a desire and means to take care of these girls. She also surprised me between the 2nd and 3rd round when she told me most of the guys she has been with are one and done. In essence, the girls really are looking to be fucked hard and taken care of. We are doing this to satisfy needs that are not being taken care of at home. In some respects, these girls are doing the same thing.

[JZLizard]

I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.

You're right, I never noticed the vag-only policy, but I'm damn glad it's there.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/cu...eid=ForumRules

[DirtyDeeds38]

Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.

I couldn't agree with this post more. And in fact I believe Jackson has very stringent rules about even mentioning these topics on his website. It's one of the things that will get you banned faster than anything else. This website and all its content is about pussy and pussy only. And while I have nothing against anyone in their chosen lifestyle, I think we should keep the topic related to true sugarbabies in here.

[JZLizard]

I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.

Never known one and I have no interest in it. I would even say a tranny by definition can't a sugar-baby, they're a sugar-buddy. I wish all of that type of play would keep their lifestyle on completely separate websites where those that want that sort of thing can go to find it, while keeping it out of the way of those like me who find it off-putting.

One of my peeves today with porn-tube sites is that it seems these tranny vids get intermingled with vids of the real thing, and clicking one by accident results in an image you quickly want to forget. I don't judge other people's lifestyle as long as they don't impose it on me, but to me the whole tranny-thing is the ultimate turn off.

They say those in the LGBT scene are born the way they are and can't help it. I guess I can't help being born a hardcore heterosexual.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Glad to hear you about your success. As a cautionary note, you may be at a point in your career where you don't feel the need to advance further, but a professional headshot makes it much easier for a jilted baby to track you down. Especially if you're using it, or one similar to it, on your linked in profile.

While you may be in a profession that doesn't care about whether you play in the bowl, I doubt any employer wants to have their workplace disrupted with jilted babies showing up angry in the middle of the work day. Also, while your career aspirations may not be affected now, your aspirations may change in the future. IMHO, getting random babies to the FC is much easier than rebuilding a career or trying to fix ones professional reputation (unless you're a career politician).

I am sure you already considered all this, but as a cautionary tale to other younger brothers, I wanted to provide food for thought. It also probably helps that based on your prior posts, you seem to be willing to provide an allowance that is five to ten times the norm in the mid-atlantic (please correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember you mentioning that you had pulled out wars of hundred dollar bills to cover an allowance). Nothing wrong with that, but again, it may be that much of your success may also be tied to your generosity on top of adding the professional headshot).

Hey! Really appreciate your perspective here and you're right in my career path I'll definitely need to be more cautious. I initially thought I made the photo private on the upload. I started noticing more views and inbox messages. That's when I decided to keep it up. I'm likely going to remove it at this point. I have enough POTs now than I have time for.

As far as the high payment. I went overboard. I charged it to The Bowl lessons. I really liked that spinner, she was my first SB and is still around. It's becoming more of a GFE. I also would like to add that I've been to the FC most times with $0 and just dinner. I rationalize that it makes up for some of the screwups I made just starting out. Screw ups like booking a hotel and getting stood up.

[HollywoodGuy]

3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.

We are all so lucky on here. I read all my local threads and have only come across 2 guys in my area that although they only do pros, they are pros at finding some really hot girls for reasonable rates. But that still doesn't compare to posts like this one above.

[FyrGuy33]

Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.

I had a friend years ago that dated trannies every once in a while. He said it was fun and exciting. I only took his word for it as I have no interest in a chick with a dick. To each his own I suppose.

[FyrGuy33]

Met with POT#3, 26 y/o 10/9/?/? for breakfast this morning. Things progressed and we were hitting it off quite well. After deciding we were comfortable and attracted to each other, we started to discuss sugar. Well, that could have gone better, but it wasn't a total disaster. This is a typical classy young lady out of college a few years. Works free lance as a para legal but does not always have steady work, hence she has turned to SA as suggested by a friend who has had some success there. Anyway, I make an initial offer of $200 as I figured that $150 would not fly with her and would make me look cheap. She says she was really looking for $400. I told her that was just too far out of my budget. She then counters with $250. I think for a minute and then agree to it. Now, it is still a bit out of my comfortable zone. But this girl was so amazingly hot that I decided I would spring for it just to take the test ride. I also reasoned that I have had SB's in the past that I have given $200 to, then paid another $45 for the SS. So with her hosting, this really wasn't a bad deal.

We leave the diner and go back to her place. A nice 1 bedroom apartment in a garden apartment complex. Thankfully, she is a neat freak. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been to far too many of their homes that are basically dumps because they can't put anything away or clean. This was the opposite. We started with some lfk that quickly turns into dfk. I could tell just from how that went I was probably in for a treat today. And boy was I right. This girl is a sexual animal with probably the best body I have seen in the last 10 years. She is heavily into tats, which you can't tell by the way she dresses on the street.

Now we are naked and on her bed. I go down for some very sweet and responsive DATY. She is in heaven. She tells me the same thing I hear from many young girls. Guys her age have no clue how to eat pussy. So for you young guys, master that and you will have these girls doing whatever you want them to. After she orgasms twice, she tells me it's my turn. Holy fuck, can this girl suck cock. I blow load #1 right down her throat, which she gleefully swallows.

We talk a bit about things while I recharge, and then she goes down on Daddy's cock again. I could have just let her do that all day, but I needed to get into that sweet pussy of hers. You can see how much she enjoys giving head, but I need to get to the next step. She throws on the cover and hops on. Very tight and had to slowly work it all the way in, gasping a few times. Now I'm no Johnny Holmes, just a bit larger and thicker than normal, so that shows how tight this girl is. She slowly works into a really good rhythm. After what seemed like a very long time, I'm ready to deliver load #2, so she hops off and again it's delivered in her mouth.

I thought we would be done but after a bit of recharge time, down she goes again. She sucked it like a champ again and when I was ready, we went doggy this time. What a view. I'm also learning she is a bit submissive and likes it a little rough. I was just "testing" some things out today and got some very good responses to some rough play. Each time I will push the envelope a little more to see how far she will go.

3 Hours later, 3 loads dumped, I was driving home a very happy Daddy. This one turns out to be 10/9/10/10. 5'4", 110 lbs. , beautiful see cups, not an ounce of fat on her.

I may have to cut back on my other SB's I have to be able to see this one on a regular basis. Yeah, sometimes SA does work out.

On another note, the Ebony MILF has gone silent on me. Guess she wasn't impressed with me, LOL.

[FredMoore]

Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As far as sexual orientation is concerned.

Anyone have any experiences with seeing a Trannie? I must confess, I would love to see a female with incidental parts to check off the bucket list. Unfortunately, most pics I see are obvious males with implants. I had a M&G with one years ago and being strongly in the hetero court felt that any activity would be a homosexual encounter and not having sex with a beautiful girl with outdoor plumbing. So I passed.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.

Let me tell you this has been my biggest pet peeve lately. So far I only got tricked once but realized my mistake at the door. But these "gurls" need to fess up. I just don't see how it benefits anyone. And I do believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I also believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as far as sexual orientation is concerned. And chicks with dicks isn't my thing.

http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleE...duate/14998734

This one recently contacted me and and agreed to my $. "she" has a profile on SA. I am over 90% sure of her gender at birth. And not desperate enough to even ask. The only girl I did ask turned out to be a bio-girl. Kind of embarrassing except we did end up in the FC

[FredMoore]

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

Yes! For each guy honestly evaluating his chance to be successful as an SD. You tech and number savvy guys can take this bare bones quiz and turn it into a psych profile. We can come up with a VENUS scale as well.

1) presence (or absence) of a vagina -20 pts 0 to 20 =can be an SB.

[DirtyDeeds38]

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

I agree, things like Sexual prowess (girls these days feed off that) kinkiness level (every one I've met thus far had some level of desire to be kinky) cock size, stamina, etc. I guess all this could be grouped into another category, but the general thought process with most of these girls, is if they are going to fuck us, they might as well enjoy it themselves. Of my 12 or so SB, each one has been into rough dominate sex on some level and enjoy a deep hard pounding by a guy who can give it to her good. Etc. I think the "soft" sensual type women generally are not wired for the bowl in the first place.

[HollywoodGuy]

OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scaleMARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.

You left out the most important thing.

So I am assuming this is at the pre-M&G POT level.

[FredMoore]

You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

OK, any other suggestions all?

Male Attractiveness Rating scaleMARS) allow 3 points each 1=bad 2=average 3= good.

1) allowance offered. 1-2-3.

2) appearance 1-2-3.

3) age. 1-2-3.

4) personality 1-2-3.

5) marital status 1-2-3.

6) availability 1-2-3.

5 12 18.

Results: 5=stick with escorts 12 =moderate chance of success 15=take your pick.

See where you might fit in.

[DirtyDeeds38]

You addressed my caveat with your last line, but just wanted to point out that someone's marital status also weighs into the consideration of some babies as well. For some it ranks high, for others it is a non issue. In my time in the bowl though, I have encountered a few babies for whom it was a major problem.

For a SD who is single and has the ability to put in the time committment to have a m&g or FC session on a random Wednesday night, I suspect your success rates will be higher. Of course some babies won't care, but I have found that more of the high end, high quality babies do take this into consideration (e. G. Non utr / non pro).

Having an SO has the potential to seriously cramp ones success rates.

I'll tell you what, being in the bowl, has really a kind of bitter sweet aura about it. It makes me cling to time and really want it to stop moving. Why? Because having young beautiful pussy almost on demand is so incredible, it makes you savor any bit of youth you have left. It makes you rethink every single angle you took in the past for, "it's all about the nookie" we gents all have inside us. You realize at some point down the road, it will end. Age, failing health, can't get wood anymore, loss of income, or so on. I think that is something most men just naturally accepted as they entered their 40's and definitely by their 50's, but not anymore. So you get this revised and continuing sense of still being in the game, in the hunt and this disallows the normal mental progression to happen.

I do not know what the prime age range might be for being in the bowl. I think it's a case by case thing and each girl views an older man a little differently. Some really want and desire it and even need it, some, it turns their stomach, for most, they are in that, "yes you are old enough to be my dad, but go ahead and see if you can win me over, I'm curious" state. If I had to pick, I would say being in your 30's is too young, 40's pushing it, 45-55 is probably the prime age most of these girls might target. Also how you carry yourself and connect. Some want a true "daddy" role and you to act overly distinguished and mature. Others prefer you to act at their level and relate like some free spirited boyfriend who just happens to be older. I can play both roles. And believe me, I can adapt and role play to their needs very well. It's part of the game.