"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FyrGuy33]

I had a very pleasant M&G this afternoon with the Ebony MILF. Pics were accurate as she does look like Diamond Jackson. Very nice personality and we were hitting it off just fine. I make my offer of $150 per meet. She is going to think about it and let me know. She says it's her first time attempting a SB relationship. Could be as she seemd totally awkward with the sugar discussion.

On to the breakfast M&G tomorrow morning. I'm hoping this one is not out of my budget.

[FyrGuy33]

I got five days to go silent and deep. Hopefully that's enough for her to move on. Her last words, "I'll never let you go or give up. " Ugh!

This is the danger of letting them get to emotionally involved. As much as we can avoid doing that, women tend to get more involved. As long as she desn't have any personal info and could not track you down, going silent is the best answer. Be diligent my friend.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Go silent. Go deep.

I got five days to go silent and deep. Hopefully that's enough for her to move on. Her last words, "I'll never let you go or give up. " Ugh!

[Member #5055]

Go silent. Go deep.

Long story short, I laid down the foundation for the dump so I can get back into the selective sugar bowl. (see prior post).

My SB / GF went nuts. Had a total breakdown. Went something like this. Her clutching me, scratching at me, trying to kiss my face off as she trembled in tears running down her body crying out she's]d wait for me forever and could never let another man so much as touch her, I showed her what love is and to be wanted for real. On and on the breakdown went. Screamed out all her deep seeded emotional issues. Tore off in her car screaming, crying and came back. Laid down on the ground trembling, crying until I comforted her. Then she asked me to dominate her one last time. Said she would go home and wait for me to figure myself out. Crying out how she could see her entire life with me and so on. Can't go five minutes without contact from me. As we lay on the ground making out and I'm about to fuck her right there, some cops showed up and shined their lights on us. Asked is everything was ok, then believe it or not, the one cop, "said resume, just keep it decent. Haha. We fucked right there, my knees are raw from the ground. Crazy night.

I think it's safe to say this girl is real with me. But I'm holding me ground and can't do a life of craziness. The girl is golden and ten years earlier, I'd take her away. I'm just too old for this kind of life of drama and such. I feel like shit today, but it has to be done.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Long story short, I laid down the foundation for the dump so I can get back into the selective sugar bowl. (see prior post).

My SB / GF went nuts. Had a total breakdown. Went something like this. Her clutching me, scratching at me, trying to kiss my face off as she trembled in tears running down her body crying out she's]d wait for me forever and could never let another man so much as touch her, I showed her what love is and to be wanted for real. On and on the breakdown went. Screamed out all her deep seeded emotional issues. Tore off in her car screaming, crying and came back. Laid down on the ground trembling, crying until I comforted her. Then she asked me to dominate her one last time. Said she would go home and wait for me to figure myself out. Crying out how she could see her entire life with me and so on. Can't go five minutes without contact from me. As we lay on the ground making out and I'm about to fuck her right there, some cops showed up and shined their lights on us. Asked is everything was ok, then believe it or not, the one cop, "said resume, just keep it decent. Haha. We fucked right there, my knees are raw from the ground. Crazy night.

I think it's safe to say this girl is real with me. But I'm holding me ground and can't do a life of craziness. The girl is golden and ten years earlier, I'd take her away. I'm just too old for this kind of life of drama and such. I feel like shit today, but it has to be done.

[HollywoodGuy]

Parents: Be very careful when dating 18 -20 yr old Girls and picking then up at home. I did so one time and nothing happened. The Daddy was in the yard working on a jacked up truck and I slid by 20 ft away. Any (normal) parent would think it extremely weird and objectional for a senior citizen to pickup his teen daughter --for what?? You do not want a confrontation. I advise parking out of sight and let the SB walk to your location. A 10/10 Hispanic I had a M&G with walked 1 mile since her Daddy would have flipped if she was doing this.

Experienced SBs: Funny that this comes up on the Board today. I am in talks now with a cute 20 yr old whose former SD paid her a lot more than my offer. It is hefty but not GPS, so I can believe it to be true. Actually, I paid my former SBs more than I offer now but my finances are not as secure either.

I have never found this to be an issue. Just park a couple blocks away or meet at a local public place of their choice. I have had the approval of a few parent over the years as well. As the apple doesn't always fall too far from the tree.

[FredMoore]

Parents: Be very careful when dating 18 -20 yr old Girls and picking then up at home. I did so one time and nothing happened. The Daddy was in the yard working on a jacked up truck and I slid by 20 ft away. Any (normal) parent would think it extremely weird and objectional for a senior citizen to pickup his teen daughter --for what?? You do not want a confrontation. I advise parking out of sight and let the SB walk to your location. A 10/10 Hispanic I had a M&G with walked 1 mile since her Daddy would have flipped if she was doing this.

Experienced SBs: Funny that this comes up on the Board today. I am in talks now with a cute 20 yr old whose former SD paid her a lot more than my offer. It is hefty but not GPS, so I can believe it to be true. Actually, I paid my former SBs more than I offer now but my finances are not as secure either.

[FyrGuy33]

I wouldn't normally put this kind of effort into a SB, but, since I can't meet up with her until the end of April anyway I figure it's worth making the time investment via e-mail and text to build up chemistry and try to lure her in. A bad experience with a former SD will make any of these girls very cautious moving forward. That is where she is at. So, I need to build up her trust and fortunately have the time to do so. She is very sweet and fun to talk with.

[HollywoodGuy]

Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me.

One thing I have learned on this board and only recently put into practice is its ok to invest some time here and there with a reluctant girl. Many times they back out but sometimes they do come through. As long as I am not spending cash to do it. Here and there I will throw a $ at some girl hoping to get lucky. I have done it 3 times in the last six months. All to no avail. I have a nerdy NP spinner that is slowly coming around that I have been messaging with for 6 weeks. I used to just go straight for the FC everytime so my percentage of UTR's was higher. And I am not bored of them by any means but I like to have first time NP's as well. Even if I have to wait a little.

In the past the idea of spending weeks to woo some SB seemed ludicrous to me. As so many throw themselves at you. Even first timers. Plus I am a big believer in instant attractions. It doesn't hurt if you feel like the girl just cant wait to be touched by you.

Also I am totally on budget this month as my ATF's discounting has offset any extra expenditures. Any reckless spending by me at this time would shame me. So I have to stay focused. I am tempted to drop SD4M except there aare a lot of hot UTR's on there, So still using both.

[Bowtie]

M&G as planned this evening at a nice local bar. Early 30's (oldest baby thus far), 5'4", very well put together. Masters degree, very well spoken, actually talks non stop! Open to any topic and we explored a lot of areas. Looking forward to next meeting, wow, just what I needed to get my mind off of number 1. Walrus, try stepping away from yours for a bit, it may give you another viewpoint.

Walrus, I feel for you! I'm in the midst of trying to seperate from my unicorn. 5'9", 125#, beautiful long lt brown hair, no kids, great connection, perfect in my eyes. Too perfect, I'm always thinking about her, way too much. I've come to the same conclusion that the others are offering, find another one. #2 (21,5'4", 110 lbs) and #3 (MILF spinner) all doing fine and still in the regular rotation but not near the connection as #1. Loaded some credits on the SB site, 1st m&g tomorrow night. Ill update if she doesn't flake. I'm sure if I devoted half my baby energy towards the SO, things would be great. But then I would be stuck with an anti-spinner mid 50's love life. Yeh, that aint for me anymore. I've got the bug I guess.

[Bowtie]

Been there, done that. I mentioned before about mom peeking out the door to see where her baby was headed out too. I pulled up in front of the apartment, WAY too close. I'm sure she could tell my eye color when she looked straight at me. Lesson learned, always picked her up a few places down after that. I've seen one of my current babies at her apartment shared with dad. Very close call with aunt stopping by just as we were pulling out. Not much I can say about that one beyond stupid.

I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.

[SkyHigh688]

I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.

I am new to SD world. Just started this month in Detroit. I picked up a young girl from her parents place. It felt weird, I had a good time with her at my place that evening.

[FyrGuy33]

After window shopping for the past 3 months, yesterday I decided to jump back in with a premium membership. And what do you know? I have 3 M&G's within 2 hours. And, 2 POTS which I will explain after the M&G's.

Tonight was #1. 27 y/o 7/9/?/? Pick her up at her place (can't drive now because of a dui) and we go to the other side of town to a Dunkin Donuts for coffee. Turns out she is the ex of a guy I know from the neighboring FD. Yikes! Well, I figure I'm going to plow ahead anyway. Pretty girl, big tits and a mouth I would love to have around my cock. We sat and talked for almost an hour before we got to the sugar discussion. Here's where it goes bad. She says she has had a couple of SD's in the past and they gave her $400 per date. I counter with $150. That pretty much ended it all. She wanted me to meet her half way but I decided to stand my ground. She's going to think about it and if she changes her mind she will let me know. I take that as NEXT!

Tomorrow afternoon I have a cocktail M&G with a 44 y/o ebony milf. She reminds me of Diamond Jackson if any of you guys watch porn. Not exactly what I am craving, but I think she could be a nice find. We will see how this one goes. I have found that the older one will sometimes accept lower sugar and host since they are usually not inundated with e-mails and offers from hundreds of other mongers.

Pot#3 is a 26 y/o 10/9/ Breakfast with her on Wednesday. E-mailing and texting with her has been very easy. We have not discussed sugar, but I now have a feeling she might be GPS. Another one that has had a SD before. This seems to be a common denominator in my experience. Anyway, depending how well we hit it off I may go up to $200 if she is hosting just to see how good she is. Of course, even that may not be anywhere near enough. I hope this works out as she has told me several times how she is very open minded. And we all know what that means.

So, now on to the other POTs. The warden and I are planning to move to Florida the end of this year. We are closing on a house the first week of April, so I know exactly where we are going to be. That being said, I have started the hunt in that area. I have come across 2 pots so far. The first is a 38 y/o MILF 7/8/?/? I have e-mailed her and spoke on the phone so far. Honestly, I'm not really feeling it with her but I guess I will keep her on the backburner just in case.

The other pot is a 29 y/o 8/9/?/? Very cute 5'3" average build blonde. I spent much of today e-mailing with her. I find her extremely easy to talk to. She says she is tired of dating guys her own age. The typical stories of how they don't know how to treat a lady her age. Another one that has had a SD before, so I am worried about the sugar discussion. She said she has had a bad experience in the past, stalker maybe?, so she's not ready to text or provide any more pics than what is on her profile. Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me. I plan on seeing her after the warden leaves since I will be there for a few weeks without her getting the place ready to move into.

So, my brothers, this brings another question to mind. Do you guys find that if they have had a SD before, regardless of age, the sugar expectation becomes much higher? I seem to be running into that more these days. My usual way of handling it is to explain that I can't afford that much at one time. But, with the lower sugar per date I can see her more often and thus the total could actually end up being more. Of course, that is a lie, but that's what I tell them. So far, it's only worked once. Is there a better way to handle that?

As always, thanks for any advice or comments. I will post the outcome of the above as things progress.

[Walruscl]

Understood. I actually thought she sounded atypical of a female in general when she so readily admitted to blowing a guy in the men's room. A lot of women (SB or not) have trouble being totally honest about the naughty things they do, and the fact that she came right out and told you says things about her that I can't really speculate about without knowing her. It could mean she has an exceptional amount of courage and integrity, or it could mean that she doesn't understand what raunchy behavior that is (I can't think of a less sanitary place to do anything sexual than a public restroom at a club), or it could mean something in between that nobody's thought of yet.

She has honesty and integrity to a fault. Honesty was the one thing she insisted on very early. (somehow she justified the cognitive dissonance that honesty wasn't an option with my SO).

As for the raunch factor, her immediate comment after telling me about the BJ in the restroom was: ". And I would not recommend it, by the way!" Then again, you can look back in the thread to see some of the way-out-there things we've done. And that's not the half of it, since I do have my scruples and don't want to overshare for all the usual reasons.

She's a unicorn because she's a perfectly sweet girl, has a good moral compass on the issues that matter, and can carry an intelligent conversation. Yet has a sex drive that is just crazy.

Actually the dilemma you're faced with right now doesn't seem all that terrible in the big scheme of things. I read about these guys with pregnancy scares, stalkers and extortionists and having been to those dark places myself in the past, it actually stresses me to read their stories and to watch them struggle with them. It seems to me you just have to figure out how you want to handle the situation in your own mind, so if it helps, you could always be glad she's got these other urges or activities going on that makes her not a direct threat to your household life.

I've been extremely lucky to have found her amongst the other options that would have ranged from unsatisfying to outright disasters in the making. And at this point it's not much of a dilemma. We're back on track for now, my anxiety about it going the other way has passed.

[Copper Fool]

Tell her to be out front, roll up to her, open the door, she gets in, drive away. Wave to mom and dad as you leave. As long as you she and you act as it is normal, they will too.

I appreciate your perspective. The truth is, I was nervous as heck going to her apartment. That being said, we did not have a whole lot of conversation before we met. A couple of emails on the website, and then a brief exchange of texts. This was a number of years ago. But she was not looking for a green card, as she was not interested in marriage or children. She was just a grad student or post doc fellow (I forget which) working in a low wage job in her field, in an expensive city. She needed help, and since she didn't really date, sex. It worked out great for her. But like I said, she was older, and I think that made all the difference in both our comfort levels. But she was clear she didn't event want to be my girlfriend. But we drank a lot of wine, ate a lot of cheese and crackers and had a great time.

So while we are on the subject of where to go to meet a POT, I am extremely uncomforatble picking a young one up at a parent's house. Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.

Norm!!