"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

Parents: Be very careful when dating 18 -20 yr old Girls and picking then up at home. I did so one time and nothing happened. The Daddy was in the yard working on a jacked up truck and I slid by 20 ft away. Any (normal) parent would think it extremely weird and objectional for a senior citizen to pickup his teen daughter --for what?? You do not want a confrontation. I advise parking out of sight and let the SB walk to your location. A 10/10 Hispanic I had a M&G with walked 1 mile since her Daddy would have flipped if she was doing this.

Experienced SBs: Funny that this comes up on the Board today. I am in talks now with a cute 20 yr old whose former SD paid her a lot more than my offer. It is hefty but not GPS, so I can believe it to be true. Actually, I paid my former SBs more than I offer now but my finances are not as secure either.

[FyrGuy33]

I wouldn't normally put this kind of effort into a SB, but, since I can't meet up with her until the end of April anyway I figure it's worth making the time investment via e-mail and text to build up chemistry and try to lure her in. A bad experience with a former SD will make any of these girls very cautious moving forward. That is where she is at. So, I need to build up her trust and fortunately have the time to do so. She is very sweet and fun to talk with.

[HollywoodGuy]

Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me.

One thing I have learned on this board and only recently put into practice is its ok to invest some time here and there with a reluctant girl. Many times they back out but sometimes they do come through. As long as I am not spending cash to do it. Here and there I will throw a $ at some girl hoping to get lucky. I have done it 3 times in the last six months. All to no avail. I have a nerdy NP spinner that is slowly coming around that I have been messaging with for 6 weeks. I used to just go straight for the FC everytime so my percentage of UTR's was higher. And I am not bored of them by any means but I like to have first time NP's as well. Even if I have to wait a little.

In the past the idea of spending weeks to woo some SB seemed ludicrous to me. As so many throw themselves at you. Even first timers. Plus I am a big believer in instant attractions. It doesn't hurt if you feel like the girl just cant wait to be touched by you.

Also I am totally on budget this month as my ATF's discounting has offset any extra expenditures. Any reckless spending by me at this time would shame me. So I have to stay focused. I am tempted to drop SD4M except there aare a lot of hot UTR's on there, So still using both.

[Bowtie]

M&G as planned this evening at a nice local bar. Early 30's (oldest baby thus far), 5'4", very well put together. Masters degree, very well spoken, actually talks non stop! Open to any topic and we explored a lot of areas. Looking forward to next meeting, wow, just what I needed to get my mind off of number 1. Walrus, try stepping away from yours for a bit, it may give you another viewpoint.

Walrus, I feel for you! I'm in the midst of trying to seperate from my unicorn. 5'9", 125#, beautiful long lt brown hair, no kids, great connection, perfect in my eyes. Too perfect, I'm always thinking about her, way too much. I've come to the same conclusion that the others are offering, find another one. #2 (21,5'4", 110 lbs) and #3 (MILF spinner) all doing fine and still in the regular rotation but not near the connection as #1. Loaded some credits on the SB site, 1st m&g tomorrow night. Ill update if she doesn't flake. I'm sure if I devoted half my baby energy towards the SO, things would be great. But then I would be stuck with an anti-spinner mid 50's love life. Yeh, that aint for me anymore. I've got the bug I guess.

[Bowtie]

Been there, done that. I mentioned before about mom peeking out the door to see where her baby was headed out too. I pulled up in front of the apartment, WAY too close. I'm sure she could tell my eye color when she looked straight at me. Lesson learned, always picked her up a few places down after that. I've seen one of my current babies at her apartment shared with dad. Very close call with aunt stopping by just as we were pulling out. Not much I can say about that one beyond stupid.

I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.

[SkyHigh688]

I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.

I am new to SD world. Just started this month in Detroit. I picked up a young girl from her parents place. It felt weird, I had a good time with her at my place that evening.

[FyrGuy33]

After window shopping for the past 3 months, yesterday I decided to jump back in with a premium membership. And what do you know? I have 3 M&G's within 2 hours. And, 2 POTS which I will explain after the M&G's.

Tonight was #1. 27 y/o 7/9/?/? Pick her up at her place (can't drive now because of a dui) and we go to the other side of town to a Dunkin Donuts for coffee. Turns out she is the ex of a guy I know from the neighboring FD. Yikes! Well, I figure I'm going to plow ahead anyway. Pretty girl, big tits and a mouth I would love to have around my cock. We sat and talked for almost an hour before we got to the sugar discussion. Here's where it goes bad. She says she has had a couple of SD's in the past and they gave her $400 per date. I counter with $150. That pretty much ended it all. She wanted me to meet her half way but I decided to stand my ground. She's going to think about it and if she changes her mind she will let me know. I take that as NEXT!

Tomorrow afternoon I have a cocktail M&G with a 44 y/o ebony milf. She reminds me of Diamond Jackson if any of you guys watch porn. Not exactly what I am craving, but I think she could be a nice find. We will see how this one goes. I have found that the older one will sometimes accept lower sugar and host since they are usually not inundated with e-mails and offers from hundreds of other mongers.

Pot#3 is a 26 y/o 10/9/ Breakfast with her on Wednesday. E-mailing and texting with her has been very easy. We have not discussed sugar, but I now have a feeling she might be GPS. Another one that has had a SD before. This seems to be a common denominator in my experience. Anyway, depending how well we hit it off I may go up to $200 if she is hosting just to see how good she is. Of course, even that may not be anywhere near enough. I hope this works out as she has told me several times how she is very open minded. And we all know what that means.

So, now on to the other POTs. The warden and I are planning to move to Florida the end of this year. We are closing on a house the first week of April, so I know exactly where we are going to be. That being said, I have started the hunt in that area. I have come across 2 pots so far. The first is a 38 y/o MILF 7/8/?/? I have e-mailed her and spoke on the phone so far. Honestly, I'm not really feeling it with her but I guess I will keep her on the backburner just in case.

The other pot is a 29 y/o 8/9/?/? Very cute 5'3" average build blonde. I spent much of today e-mailing with her. I find her extremely easy to talk to. She says she is tired of dating guys her own age. The typical stories of how they don't know how to treat a lady her age. Another one that has had a SD before, so I am worried about the sugar discussion. She said she has had a bad experience in the past, stalker maybe?, so she's not ready to text or provide any more pics than what is on her profile. Since I have time on this one I have decided to be the patient Daddy for her. I get the feeling if we can agree to an deal this could be a very nice ride for me. I plan on seeing her after the warden leaves since I will be there for a few weeks without her getting the place ready to move into.

So, my brothers, this brings another question to mind. Do you guys find that if they have had a SD before, regardless of age, the sugar expectation becomes much higher? I seem to be running into that more these days. My usual way of handling it is to explain that I can't afford that much at one time. But, with the lower sugar per date I can see her more often and thus the total could actually end up being more. Of course, that is a lie, but that's what I tell them. So far, it's only worked once. Is there a better way to handle that?

As always, thanks for any advice or comments. I will post the outcome of the above as things progress.

[Walruscl]

Understood. I actually thought she sounded atypical of a female in general when she so readily admitted to blowing a guy in the men's room. A lot of women (SB or not) have trouble being totally honest about the naughty things they do, and the fact that she came right out and told you says things about her that I can't really speculate about without knowing her. It could mean she has an exceptional amount of courage and integrity, or it could mean that she doesn't understand what raunchy behavior that is (I can't think of a less sanitary place to do anything sexual than a public restroom at a club), or it could mean something in between that nobody's thought of yet.

She has honesty and integrity to a fault. Honesty was the one thing she insisted on very early. (somehow she justified the cognitive dissonance that honesty wasn't an option with my SO).

As for the raunch factor, her immediate comment after telling me about the BJ in the restroom was: ". And I would not recommend it, by the way!" Then again, you can look back in the thread to see some of the way-out-there things we've done. And that's not the half of it, since I do have my scruples and don't want to overshare for all the usual reasons.

She's a unicorn because she's a perfectly sweet girl, has a good moral compass on the issues that matter, and can carry an intelligent conversation. Yet has a sex drive that is just crazy.

Actually the dilemma you're faced with right now doesn't seem all that terrible in the big scheme of things. I read about these guys with pregnancy scares, stalkers and extortionists and having been to those dark places myself in the past, it actually stresses me to read their stories and to watch them struggle with them. It seems to me you just have to figure out how you want to handle the situation in your own mind, so if it helps, you could always be glad she's got these other urges or activities going on that makes her not a direct threat to your household life.

I've been extremely lucky to have found her amongst the other options that would have ranged from unsatisfying to outright disasters in the making. And at this point it's not much of a dilemma. We're back on track for now, my anxiety about it going the other way has passed.

[Copper Fool]

Tell her to be out front, roll up to her, open the door, she gets in, drive away. Wave to mom and dad as you leave. As long as you she and you act as it is normal, they will too.

I appreciate your perspective. The truth is, I was nervous as heck going to her apartment. That being said, we did not have a whole lot of conversation before we met. A couple of emails on the website, and then a brief exchange of texts. This was a number of years ago. But she was not looking for a green card, as she was not interested in marriage or children. She was just a grad student or post doc fellow (I forget which) working in a low wage job in her field, in an expensive city. She needed help, and since she didn't really date, sex. It worked out great for her. But like I said, she was older, and I think that made all the difference in both our comfort levels. But she was clear she didn't event want to be my girlfriend. But we drank a lot of wine, ate a lot of cheese and crackers and had a great time.

So while we are on the subject of where to go to meet a POT, I am extremely uncomforatble picking a young one up at a parent's house. Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.

Norm!!

[JZLizard]

Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.
Norm!!

I haven't had that particular scenario. Someone here in the thread has posted about same, before though. Maybe they can chime in.

[Norm Gerd]

So, while it's true that it's unfair to say she is always a hardened pro if she invites you over for the M&G, I'd say this is not a typical scenario with a responsible young lady, and in most cases we should be suspicious of any girl who doesn't want to meet in a public place first.

I appreciate your perspective. The truth is, I was nervous as heck going to her apartment. That being said, we did not have a whole lot of conversation before we met. A couple of emails on the website, and then a brief exchange of texts. This was a number of years ago. But she was not looking for a green card, as she was not interested in marriage or children. She was just a grad student or post doc fellow (I forget which) working in a low wage job in her field, in an expensive city. She needed help, and since she didn't really date, sex. It worked out great for her. But like I said, she was older, and I think that made all the difference in both our comfort levels. But she was clear she didn't event want to be my girlfriend. But we drank a lot of wine, ate a lot of cheese and crackers and had a great time.

So while we are on the subject of where to go to meet a POT, I am extremely uncomforatble picking a young one up at a parent's house. Today, a very hot early 20's POT told me she currently is without car, and I would have to come pick her up at Mom and Dads. It's pretty weird for me. Any wisdom on this topic? She tried to reassure me they would not be coming out to meet me or anything but still.

Norm!!

[HollywoodGuy]

At the end of the day, like in business, you've got to have walk away power from a deal.

Truer words were never spoken. You have to ready to walk even if it hurts, and sometimes it does.

[Mike7794]

The need for variety and experiencing the known that new pussy brings and how the new ones will respond to me is overwhelming my senses again.

To refresh, my current SB, has basically turned real GF. She is hands down madly in love with me, wants a life, future and to move away with me on a moments notice. She begs for my attention daily. She is a spinner, as crazy kinky sexually as they come, loyal, loving, but not without her own problems. Body a solid 9, face an 8, overall a meek, submissive, college girl who does not quit!

So this bodes a new question for the forum. I like to believe I have an unbelievable nose for a girl leading me on, being fake, If it goes real, I will test them in every conceivable way possible. I have done that with this girl and she keeps coming back. My contributions are now very minimal, but she does want me still to give her money, but she is NOT greedy and never asks. She also wants me to put her up in a place, my offer, but now she needs it, etc.

The question? Can girls like this really dupe even us more seasoned veterans? Or can they truly be this genuine? I feel some of her loyalty might be based out of being a somewhat fucked up emotionally and insecure as is often the case with many of these girls. But I also feel she is genuine and would make a long life with me. As long as I could get my dick hard that is, as there is no way in hell this one goes without sex for more then a day or two.

I'm on the fence about letting her go. It will likely get messy, but I just have visions of fucking random women, getting all the experience I was not allowed in my youngers years. That temptation is overpowering what long standing SB has meant to me. I feel dark and evil in a way, but I am a man with a hunger for variety. Sexually. She would be ANY of you monger's dream. She will do any fucking thing to please her man and she does in such a way. She begs for my cum in a passive, feminine docile, submissive way. She just has that true nature about her we all dream of. But at the end of the day, even a girl like this can get old. I know if I let her go, I'll have some regrets. I'll want her back, I know myself.

Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.

Rant.

It has been my experience that they can do a 180 on you and forget the past. It is the estrogen they live with. Ultimately I've found the best way is to not get too close. Close is okay, but "too" is what I'm talking about. At the end of the day, like in business, you've got to have walk away power from a deal.

[FredMoore]

The need for variety and experiencing the known that new pussy brings and how the new ones will respond to me is overwhelming my senses again.

Help me walk away brothers. I need variety.

Rant.

Deeds, I always think a bird in the hand, etc. Can you reduce your availability to her in some way while still enjoying her incredible assets? The other way to avoid a complete meltdown is Hollywood's way. Admit to a desire to bring other players on board.

The next option if you going for a full break is to line her up with Board members in your area to provide continuity of care.

[FotoGuy1970]

A couple weeks ago, I found myself doing two back-to-back M&Gs, both non-local:

The first was in her early 20's, very cute to me personally but I could see why some guys would not go for her. Never had a SD before, previous M&Gs with other guys had been disappointing. But through texts we have really good chemistry so I'm thinking this could be a keeper. We met for lunch and it went great. Couldn't do much else besides a M&G because she had to be elsewhere, but I thought for sure this would be the start of a great relationship. But since then her communications have been slowly but surely dropping off. I suspect she's getting cold feet about getting physical with an older guy but she still enjoys talking to me on some levels.

The second was all but guaranteed to go to FC right after M&G. Her pics I had seen must have been older as she had definitely put on a bit of weight, but not enough to make her look unattractive. She's mid 20's, single mom, sex fiend, submissive, just wants to please daddy. We had a good M&G, went off to the FC where we spent half the night. She conveyed nearly 100% submissiveness and willing to try things she's never done before. A bit heaver than I like once the clothes come off, but still not bad at all. Her personality, skills, and eagerness make up for her lack of a petite body. We plan on seeing each other again very soon.