"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

So I have gone from my cup running over to slim pickin's. Why?

This is what happens when you get caught by the SO. I am in a high risk situation, SO on high alert, money being watched. So I am looking for an UTR who is low volume. And it is hard to find. They are either Hos full on or Princesses who are in the "I'm not a Ho " mode. I still have a 40 yr old 9/9/7/7 who is entertaining and a super nice girl. I could enjoy dating her IRL actually. But I need that 20 yr old BB sexual freak to satisfy that edge. I need her dripping wet, not perimenopausal, screaming and bucking with surprise when her Orgasms sneak up on her, not just -aaah! LOL. You get the picture.

The problem is I can't date. I don't travel for work, and don't have any plausible excuse to be out of touch for hours at a time. You just have to be able to take them out, or at least take them to a nice residence or Hotel, have a glass of wine, and slowly get into the routine. I can't even go pick these college girls up at the Dorm because they don't have a car, etc.

So unless things loosen up I might be phasing out of the Sugar world. But every blue moon I have success finding an SB who is OK with going strait to the FC. So I keep looking.

So my advice to the Board out there is Dont get caught !

[Walruscl]

Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl.

Haven't posted in awhile because not much has changed. My SB and I are on a pay-for-certain-expenses arrangement, and she basically considers me a boyfriend. Given recent history on this thread that would seem a red flag, but she has never wavered in demonstrating that she understands that there is no long-term future there. So she is enjoying it while she can, and both of us can only hope that when it ends that the loss will heal quickly. The pain will be on both sides, though my feelings are mostly of simple affection, empathy, and the emotional investment of a mentor. I have made a point to be careful in how I express affection, and she's observant enough to have gotten the message.

Meanwhile, the times in the FC continue to be a fountain of youth. The reason I post now is because I have the same thing going on with the dichotomy of her public appearance versus what happens when the panties hit the floor. You'd really never give this girl a second look if you bumped into her in a grocery store. Not unattractive at all, but very plain place and shy demeanor. If you paid attention you might notice that under the intentionally-not-too-flattering clothing there is one hell of a lithe body, but other than that not much to get on most guys' radar. But holy crap, it's not easy keeping up with this girl.

[Mike7794]

HWG you never cease to amaze me with your game.

My small contribution is I have two teens, although one of them turns 20 next week, so I guess it is one teen and one post teen. The teen and I will be in the FC tonight. The post teen I will meet the first time in a few days. Really sweet girl. Fun personality and playful on texting. Calls me Daddy and likes to be dominated. What's funny is to see her picture one would think she is just a sweet young girl. Both hot and am looking forward to it. There are a couple of others in their twenties that are in play.

[HollywoodGuy]

I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.

Or a Hollywood second. LOL. I am sure I have never intentionally screwed any girl over. But shit happens, usually to me. Anyway I been working the teens on SA. So far I really just have one that I like and will see her again Saturday. I haven't really made any instant connections yet, although my first date with her was pretty hot sexually. So she is in the lead so far. Hope to get a couple pics of her to post. Supposed to see the tiny dancer tomorrow. She is so cool (brrrr). Hope I can warm her up. But in seven years of doing this I have always done best with the ones that seemed to go easy. Most of my game is right up front or in the FC. So if I get stuck in the middle somewhere it can get a little awkward for me. But our date tomorrow is an FC date. No regulars to see this weekend so I need to just get out there. I finally 100% officially broke up with my MILF of 3 years. In the bowl that must be almost a lifetime. In this bowl with these players that is.

[Mike7794]

I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.

So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.

Just my 2 cents.

Totally agree, but I would make a small correction to your statement regarding the pot vs. Average woman and mental problems. I would posit that a high percentage of all American women have mental problems and instability. I blame it on the fact that all of our laws coddle the American woman like she is this fragile angel from heaven that must be babied. It has made the women weak, self serving, and entitled. That is why I went to China to find a SO back in the day. Any and all American women IMO will do a 180 degree on you and cut your throat and then cry fowl that you hurt her feelings and our society falls in line looking at us like men are heathens. I really don't have a lot of patience for the bull* these women pull in the bowl. I've seen my share of flakes in the bowl. I surely don't have a problem screwing one over if it suits me, because all too often they will do it in a New York minute. Just my two cents.

[IluvSmellyFish]

I agree, a logical human being would understand that most guys on these sites have SOs. In my limited experience though most women are more emotional than logical. What makes it worse is that a majority of the women on these sites also have mental issues that makes them even more unstable than the average woman.

So just like SBs should assume the SD they are meeting is married, SDs need to go into the game assuming that a pot is mentally unstable. If you go into the game with any other expectations, you are liable to be burned one way or another.

Just my 2 cents.

Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.

I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.

[DirtyDeeds38]

FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.

Aside from everything else, in reality, WTF do these girls expect? They are essentially offering themselves up as sugar babies, selling themselves for us men to revisit our youth, or have the things we never got before. Most estimates suggest over 80% of the men on there have a SO. And then they act all shocked and vengeful when they find out. Did they not ever think the payments, gifts, apartments etc, is to offset this? Do they really have the right to ruin a man's life when they accepted payment for a little fun and making a guy believe he was something again? It's really sort of fucked up when you think about it. The payments, gifts and so on, really should be viewed as a form of insurance by the girl. If she were a legit, true GF, then she would be planning a future based on equal input, equal contributions, doing for her man. The fact they all sit there and say, "I have a pussy, do everything for me" in my opinion gives them no right whatsoever to come back on any man and ruin everything he has worked for. It's total bullshit. If she was an equal contributor in every way, a true partner, that is different.

I agree with Jez here, mutually assured destruction is really the way to go.

[HollywoodGuy]

So back to the grindstone. I did a "no sex, no money" M&G with the flag girl that flaked on me last night. We had a pleasant lunch and she was sexy, but 21 not 19. She wasn't jumping into anything too fast either. Maybe see her again.

Also I,ve been on SA long enough to see the level of GPS there is much higher than SD4M. On SD4M I would call $$$ high. On SA it more like five bills to 1 K a date GPS. And some of those girls are 10+'s. So at five I am sure they do get it from time to time or even more.

[Spud666]

FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.

And maybe here lies the answer.

[IluvSmellyFish]

FM. Pearls of wisdom. As soon as she gets what she wants, she won't want it. She probably has this romanticized idea of what life will be like. As soon as reality sets in, life will become dull for all involved and the cycle will repeat.

So now he has a little bit of control back. He is certainly open to Blackmail but if this SB loves him and he still wants to see her (and loves her) he might continue to have his cake and eat it too. Who knows? He might dump his nonperforming wife someday and end up married to a Doctor who can support him. LOL.

Actually, we all know what will happen. The new SO (old SB) will sabotage the relationship once she has him under her thumb and will cut him off. So he will get himself an SB to screw when his SO is on call at the hospital Oh what a wicked web we weave.

[Rouleur]

Friend just left me a voicemail. He impulsively has just met with SB and did his best breakdown and described a sad life to her with his SO. Explained to her that he was never supposed to fall in love with her, but he did, fed her a plethora of compliments. She first got in his face and screamed, "you played me, I will fucking ruin you, I loved you, you were my life love, I dreamed of you every day, I will not rest until I have destroyed you. You are the fifth man in a row who played me like this. " She got in her car and left and then ten minutes later came back crying her eyes out and said she would not ruin his life. He offered her a check for $2500 and she refused it, said she only wanted his love etc. She asked him to promise to still try with her and to eventually leave his wife.

He also played a card, that she had told him, if he had a serious girlfriend, or SO, she did not want to know about it. But that was when they first met, things changed. Lots of lies in the mix on his part, big time lies, but it seems she might understand. If this girl holds true and is not just caught up in her current emotional state and does not ruin his life, I would say he might have himself a real gem. Most girls are not that loyal. I still think once reality and her jealousy sets in, she shows up at his door. He played his hand, now he can live with it. I tried!

If your Friend is indeed the "Fifth Man" then that implies the the SB moves along to the next SD pretty quick. That could be good or bad depending on how much future contact your Friend ultimately wants with her.

[FredMoore]

So now he has a little bit of control back. He is certainly open to Blackmail but if this SB loves him and he still wants to see her (and loves her) he might continue to have his cake and eat it too. Who knows? He might dump his nonperforming wife someday and end up married to a Doctor who can support him. LOL.

Actually, we all know what will happen. The new SO (old SB) will sabotage the relationship once she has him under her thumb and will cut him off. So he will get himself an SB to screw when his SO is on call at the hospital Oh what a wicked web we weave.

[JZLizard]

I understand that she has the current address. Now that she has it, he is eternally screwed so long as he lives at that address. The SB will always have leverage so long as he wants to be with his SO. Even years later, if she needs fast cash, he is always extortion bait.

This is why I suggessted moving to a new address. If he moves and she doesn't have the new address, she can't find him without going to more extreme options.

I think you're saying if he moves to another county. Well that in itself is a very extreme and costly option, especially since he would probably be sitting in a house with a For Sale sign out in front for potentially months, putting pressure on the SB to hurry up and get up the courage to act. And then, after all of the time and expense to move, if she's really lost she can spend a few bucks to hire a detective to find him in five minutes.

If he rented instead of bought, and didn't register vehicles and such in the new county, it might slow down the efforts a little bit but that's about it.

[IluvSmellyFish]

I understand that she has the current address. Now that she has it, he is eternally screwed so long as he lives at that address. The SB will always have leverage so long as he wants to be with his SO. Even years later, if she needs fast cash, he is always extortion bait.

This is why I suggessted moving to a new address. If he moves and she doesn't have the new address, she can't find him without going to more extreme options.

She already knows his address, that's the point. He made that part really easy for her. Even if he hadn't, the fact that he rented a place for her made it possible for her to find his address.

[JZLizard]

Friend just left me a voicemail. He impulsively has just met with SB and did his best breakdown and described a sad life to her with his SO. Explained to her that he was never supposed to fall in love with her, but he did, fed her a plethora of compliments. She first got in his face and screamed, "you played me, I will fucking ruin you, I loved you, you were my life love, I dreamed of you every day, I will not rest until I have destroyed you. You are the fifth man in a row who played me like this. " She got in her car and left and then ten minutes later came back crying her eyes out and said she would not ruin his life. He offered her a check for $2500 and she refused it, said she only wanted his love etc. She asked him to promise to still try with her and to eventually leave his wife.

He also played a card, that she had told him, if he had a serious girlfriend, or SO, she did not want to know about it. But that was when they first met, things changed. Lots of lies in the mix on his part, big time lies, but it seems she might understand. If this girl holds true and is not just caught up in her current emotional state and does not ruin his life, I would say he might have himself a real gem. Most girls are not that loyal. I still think once reality and her jealousy sets in, she shows up at his door. He played his hand, now he can live with it. I tried!

He's in deeper than ever now. The one silver lining is that she said this is like the fifth time. So by now, she is either a serial extortionist or she has learned how to cope. Being one or the other never guarantees she won't fuck him up with the SO, but of course the coper is preferable.