"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Member #5055]

As the subject says it all -- we have to weigh the options.

Either way. This is a no brainer -- get a GOOD divource attourney -- the best. Before she gets them and they cannot serve you.

OK -- so covered back door.

OK. So BEFORE opening up to the wife (with all the thermo-nuclear options that that will open) - he may as well at least try the same with the SB.

There is NO loss on attempting to break it up forcefully but with tact and cunning.

E. g. I really see no future for us with the age differance.

I understand your feelings -- but it takes two to feel the same before it can work.

Look -- I am really sorry -- and am prepared to try to make it so that you are not financially impacted my my decision to end it -- so here is $$$ etc. (hard to do, and only comes once she is in acceptance that it is over and you are tryin to wrap things up).

-- plus any other ideas -- guys -- add to this list!

THEN -- IF it works -- you have to go silent and deep -- I mean NO futher contact.

-- your friend cannot even SEE any further communications from her.

-- if in any way he can change his phone # - do it.

-- block her from any E-mail etc she knows -- kil the accounts after deleting EVERYTHING from them etc etc (I know a judge can get he backups -- but make it HARD).

-- basically disappear of the face of the earth.

IF she does turn up at the door -- have a WRITTEN letter ready and pre-dated to give to the wife -- make it clear you fell badly -- and tried to get out. That may be the only option to stop the nuclear back-lash! The fact that by himself he TRIED to stop it and come back to his wife he loves.

Feeling for him.

GW.

I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.

As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.

He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".

He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.

Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.

Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.

Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.

[JZLizard]

All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.

That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!

Not a stud here, just someone with a lot of experience with women. Yes I always treat them like any other date, and for whatever reason in the civy dating world I have always treated my date the same whether I was eyeballing her for long-term material or if I was just in it for a one night stand. It's not something I do intentionally, just what comes naturally I guess. I do have an SO to worry about but I never date SBs anywhere near my home, only during travel.

[Bastardo]

I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.

As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.

He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".

He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.

Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.

Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.

Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.

I'm speaking from experience here as I went through something very similar. With the difference being my gf knew from day one I was unhappily married. Tell the gf you're married, then just tell her to go ahead and tell the wife. Mine used to threaten all the time and actually parked outside my house but didn't have the nerve to go to the door. She finally stole my phone during an argument one day and texted my wife what was going on. Made my life hell for a bit, but the wife got over it. To be honest, I didn't really give a shit other than having to hear my wife constantly piss and moan about it. My marriage is for all intents and purposes dead anyway, and I still come and go as I please.

[Dolato]

Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!

I don't think it's a disadvantage. It's just a different offer that you have for the SBs.

Not all the girls will be wanting a gf treatment. Many will want just the FC and cash exchange and have their own discrete relationship.

If the POT is wanting dates / dinners / nights out on the town, let her know that's not possible and not what you're looking for. If that's a no for her then everyone moves on to the next.

No need to throw more $ at them.

[HollywoodGuy]

All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.

That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!

When I am with them I treat them like the love of my life. But only in the FC, except in rare circumstances. But my days of expensive anything have come to a halt.

I was in beverly hills today and looking at all the amazing 10+ hotties and thinking, this girl is setting some guy back a fortune. lol. This quality could be had on a SD site for $$$ to $$$$. Still high but not half your income.

[PghGuy2005]

All of you who are able to snare these lovely lasses, do you treat any of them like girl friends even occasionally I. E. Take them out for dinner, dancing etc which would mean that you do not have a SO to worry about.

That is one thing that I cannot offer due to the need for complete discretion. Oh well! Of course I would really appreciate any advice on making up for this disadvantage other than dangling more $$$ in front of them!

[Rouleur]

Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option.

Your friend is hoping for no accountability for his actions? Others will have creative ideas that will be more user friendly than mine. However, after just surviving a divorce after 20 years of marriage that ultimately ended due to similar issues, I say he should tell his Wife about the girl. Will it end their marriage? It might. But from what you shared there was some decay there to begin with. On the other hand, the marriage might survive it. Other marriages do. Whatever the outcome I wish your Friend all the best as I've been there done that.

[Dolato]

I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.

This is tough, and I'm sure others will offer their input.

I think as a just in case, your friend should see a divorce attorney so that he can be prepared for worst case scenario. Trying to buy off the girl will just lead to more trouble if she keeps coming back to the cash cow.

This might be crazy, but since you're single is it possible for you to slowly slide into her life and deflect some of that unwanted attention / afffection? You'd be taking one for the team but if you can get an "introduction" and offer her the attention and the "future" she craves, she may lose interest in your friend. Eventually, she'll be your crazy to deal with.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I am looking for perhaps some impossible advise to give my friend before his life ends, as he knows it.

As most of you know, I have no SO, but my buddy, does. Wife of 23 years, bored as fuck in his marriage, always complaining, etc. So over drinks about five months back, I reluctantly told him of my new found hobby that I have all but now perfected. He was beyond intrigued and like I was, instantly addicted to the idea. He wanted to model my blueprint so to speak, so he rented a pad, furnished it etc; etc.

He played the game the first month well and as advised, not falling for any of the girls, then he fell hard for one. A petite little spinner, who like a few of mine, extrme high sex drive, quiet and polite, true college girl, a bit of a loner, seeks reassurance and has some deep seeded mental issues she hid quiet well. I warned him over and over as I had, "been there done that. ".

He dated this girl and made long term plans with her. She wanted marriage and my buddy actually was considering it. But ultimately, he knew he would never leave the comfort of his wife and life. She got clingy, jealous of everything and poseesive of him and his time and as a consequence my friend got sloppy. He left mail at the pad he rented for her and she found it with his real address, etc. She went on a fishing expedition and while she does not know he's married, she knows where he lives. For some reason of fate, she waited to confront him and did not just show up at his front door to meet his wife.

Long story short, he somehow pacified her, and she agreed for the time, not to show up at his house. He fed her a, "made for movie" excuse, but he knows once he can't see her, pacify her, or accommodate her, she will likely run to his home. The girl does not let shit go and recycles everything in her mind. I'm sure some of you more seasoned veterans get the type of girl she is. She will ruin him and everything he knows, if she shows up. She is not the type of girl who he can tell her and offer to buy her off. He really does love this girl, but come on, she's some 25 years younger and there is no future.

Anyone with any very creative ideas here on how to handle this? I feel responsible for having brought him into this. Confessing to either his wife or the girl, is not going to be an option. He has to end it peacefully and prevent her curiosity from showing up at his front door.This girl has made my buddy her fucking life. She is all in with him. One of his ideas was to just end it and make his wife believe he got caught up with some very bad people he screwed over and they threatened to tell her he was having an affair, so when this little girl shows up, she might slightly accept it. I told him his wife is smarter than that and the two of them probably would end up having a chat. Personally, I think my buddy is totally fucked. I don't think this one goes away even with a envelop full of large bills, she will want revenge.

Any far reaching, creative advise would be greatly appreciated.

[Dolato]

I can't say I've encountered a lot of latina SBs but I've banged a lot in civy dating, and over the long term and on a large scale you won't find any level of consistency that you can count on. You might find some recognizable pattern with the first few, then a new one comes along and shatters any conclusions you may have come to about the ones you've known so far. I'm guessing that's even more true with SBs, especially the type that grew up in this county, who have been Americanized by going to high school here.

I've always been fond of the latinas even before the bowl and have encountered many in the la / oc area. I may be generalizing here, but from my limited sample size I've gotten used to a few common traits: Family priorities can make them iffy with scheduling dates (large families and always something going on). Almost always still living at home so no chance at a quick easy bang at their place. Unlikely to be on birth control (partly for catholic upbringing, but also just getting knocked up doesn't seem all that bad to them).

FC skills and overall experiences have all varied.

[FredMoore]

Latinas (2) very passionate, wet quickly, vocal, thick bodied (most passionate).

Asian (1) not passionate, controlled, but screamed at the top of her lungs at orgasm. Best spinner shape, Scared the shit out of me. (most vocal).

White (300+) a mixed bag MILFs (4) most orgasmic, most squirting, fattest. (best squirter) Teens (18-19) quiet, physically most active,20 somethings soso (sweetest pussies).

AA (1) boring (most funky).

As you can see I see mostly Caucs, but I am open minded about all. The AA girls in my area tend to be more ghetto, but less open to Pay to go. Asians are GPS. MILFs are too hard to get and too GPS.

[Orbits]

I want girls to know I am a serial SD. It creates a fierce level of competition. I don't use it against them in a mean way. Its just a reality. You better keep Daddy happy or someone else will. And they know I'm not blowin smoke. My profile on SD4M is 5 years old. But I have had other profiles with different language to see what works.

I tell all of them I have had many past SB's.

In my admittedly somewhat limited experience, being able to discuss past SBs with a POT is very helpful. I've not yet met one that minded that at all, in fact they mostly seem to prefer it. Most of them are attracted to assertive types, SDs who know what they want and can state their "requirements" clearly. Having experience with past SBs helps to establish that image.

Another advantage of having an "old" profile might be that it lets them know you're probably safe to meet (the SB sites would delete a profile if it got reported frequently).

[HollywoodGuy]

After a while - 6-9 months. Do you not renew the profile and start a fresh one so it does not appear that you are a serial SD.

I want girls to know I am a serial SD. It creates a fierce level of competition. I don't use it against them in a mean way. Its just a reality. You better keep Daddy happy or someone else will. And they know I'm not blowin smoke. My profile on SD4M is 5 years old. But I have had other profiles with different language to see what works.

I tell all of them I have had many past SB's. If its just a first date I may neglect to mention that I am currently seeing a few girls (but sometimes I do for a variety of reasons). And if they are gonna be around for even a couple of dates it would be impossible to hide. A lot of SB's claim they dont want anything clingy so knowing you are busy with someone else takes the pressure off them worrying about you wanting to have a GF. This doesn't stop them from trying to become the #1 girl though. Also being a serial SD tells them that you are for real. You have a proven track record of taking care of women like them.

I currently have three regulars and they are all cool with the scheduling issues involved. Occasionally they cross paths. This has only been an issue one time. With my stripper X. She was very disrespectful to one of the other girls. And guess what? Now she is gone. More because of poor FC skills, but her inability to get along with others was also a factor.

Also I try to have regulars that dont compete in the FC. Meaning they all have something a little different to offer. And currently they are all different ethnicities. And none of them are white. lol. Also none of them has the title of "Girlfriend". So I am enjoying being "single" for now. Having a "roommate" doesn't hurt either. As far as keeping the girls in line and also showing that I can take good care of a deserving girl.

[Member #5055]

After a while - 6-9 months. Do you not renew the profile and start a fresh one so it does not appear that you are a serial SD.

Part of the reason I am successful is that I put in the hours. Many Hours. After work today I messaged girls till midnite. I got a few maybes and one pretty solid hit (pictured) from a young spinner. We are going to do a "no sex, no money" date. I love that phrase. I forget who posted it (and it may have been on my local NP thread) but it is now part of my repertoire. Thanks guy, whoever you are. And if the girl happens to change her mind on the date? Well if I only get her off, no sugar. If she gets me off as well then I do pay.

Since I started on SA I have tried to limit myself to the 18-20 any race, slender or athletic. There are so many girls (as I am new). Over time I will see a diminishing return. But the girls on SA respond at a much higher percentage than SD4M at this point. Of course I was experimenting with my new approach (learned on this thread). And while I did score enough with my old approach to keep me busy I am sure I lost out on a lot of good pussy. BTW... It took me over a year of reading this thread everyday to modify my approach. On SD4M I was just basically asking them if they wanted to hook up in my intro letter. Having had virtually no dating experience until my 50's I had a lot to learn. I married very young and was really only serious with 5 women in 30 years except for pussy that fell in my lap. And I never dated in H.S. Same story. I just waited for them to hit on me. And just did hookups. Not formal dating per se. I still lean heavily to the hookup style because that is what I am comfortable with. I would rather fuck than talk anyway.

As you can tell by the pics I post I mostly date black girls (because I like them). And hitting them up cold doesn't really put them off too much as long as you do it with some style. But with this softer approach I am getting all races except the white girls. I just dont have the patience for their BS. If they could out perform the non-white girls in the FC I might put up with it. But honestly as hard as they try (and some really put in the effort) I have never had sex anywhere near as good as with a black or asian girl (except once with a russian GF). I am still new to latinas and have only banged a few so I dont have a read on them yet. Although my one regular "Sugar" is half mexican but identifies as native american. One thing I love about L.A. is the diversity. I am originally from an area that was just black or white and no mixed girls as back in the day mixing was not tolerated in my hometown. But the times they are a changin. I am now going to apply the same tactic on SD4M and see what happens.

[JZLizard]

I am still new to latinas and have only banged a few so I dont have a read on them yet.

I can't say I've encountered a lot of latina SBs but I've banged a lot in civy dating, and over the long term and on a large scale you won't find any level of consistency that you can count on. You might find some recognizable pattern with the first few, then a new one comes along and shatters any conclusions you may have come to about the ones you've known so far. I'm guessing that's even more true with SBs, especially the type that grew up in this county, who have been Americanized by going to high school here.

My experience ranges from a complete dud of a Puerto Rican baby who didn't have the decency to shave her damn legs for our date and wasn't a sexual person at all, to a 23 yo Peruvian exchange student who gave me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had, swallowing the load, and when she saw I saw so aroused that my cock was staying hard 10 minutes after the deed, started sucking again (tugging on it with both hands like a porn pro) and brought me to a second equally intense CIM, where she swallowed again (politely not making a mess in the backseat of my car). Never gave a latina anything other than maybe a couple drinks in a bar or dinner, yet they all seemed grateful. I'm particularly fond of Panamanians too, some nice threesome memories there (the ones I've known have been very sexual).

The only distinguishing pattern I could really cite is that some of them are so inordinately sweet-natured and put out a vibe like they want much more than just sex or money, that it can pit you against your conscience on whether to bang them or not when you know they are looking for something real and you're not.