"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dolato]

Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!

Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?

There can be soreness with heavy usage of any parts.

If the bleeding is because the foreskin is "pulling" the skin away during sex, then circumcision can help. Of course see a doctor for that and not us internet doctors.

If the bleeding is more on the shaft due to the constant friction, then use lube. You can even use lube to ease the friction with the condom, but be careful it's not too much or it'll slip off. I always have water based lube with me. I don't need to constantly reapply with some girls, but it comes in handy and I use it generously. Just another expense to the hobby.

[JZLizard]

So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.

My advice would be to only gift the girl after banging her. Be realistic with your gift amount, based on how good she is, how much you want to see her again, how much time you spent with her, etc. (I. E. Don't take advantage of it by short-changing her just because you got the nookie up front).

Only discuss money or ongoing fixed allowances with someone you've already banged at least once, and never do it in text or e-mail (in person or phone). Never specify or even allude to exchange of money for sex, even after you know her.

Avoid giving her your real name, or other identifiable info. If you get in a tricky situation, try to defuse and exit the situation ASAP without involving the law.

[HollywoodGuy]

So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law.

Its kinda like instructions on how to stay sober. Just don't take the first drink.

[PghGuy2005]

All this talk of Uncle LEO and SD / SB has gotten me worried especially after M&G+FC with the most recent SA babe. No I did not really score she happened to be a short, thick babe within my budget of $ to $. 5.

She texted things like "looking to forward to f* you tomorrow" and when I asked her during FC if she liked to talk dirty she looked nonplussed I then reminded her of the text and she mumbled something. While texting directions to her I received "What are you expectations as far as sex. . positions. . And acts?" "Just trying to go Ahead and prepare myself mentally".

So guys a HOW TO post about staying within the law will be very helpful to us newbies to the bowl.

[PghGuy2005]

Dang! FyrGuy33. You lucky dawg!

Mine gets sore and sometimes bleeds when using the cover and there have been times when it happened BB with a dry pussy and too much sucking. Will the absence of foreskin I. E. Circumcision help?

I sit here tonight with a sore dick from all the sucking and fucking. I am in shock at my luck. I was just about to jump into another premium membership on SA tomorrow. Now I'm going to let that go for now. Never give up guys. You just never know when they will smarten up.

[JZLizard]

IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway.

This is the real issue. The amount of reasonable doubt created by any angle of an SD / SB arrangement is way too much for any court to handle, but it doesn't matter. The arrest is all it would take to do the same amount of damage to the life of the SD.

There is a TV show called "Web of Lies" about Internet scams and such that end up in tragedy. A recent episode was about a married professor in Texas, who actually had his wife's permission to pursue internet sex on the side. He had been honest with her about it from the start, and for whatever reason she accepted it as something she could live with. He eventually got involved in cybersex with an 18 year old tranny that was headed toward a M&G, who later revealed themselves to be a minor (after he was already in too deep). Next thing you know, the kids father is calling him staying stay away from my kid. Next, he starts calling saying if the professor doesn't fork over thousands to get the kid therapy, he is going to go public with it all, including informing the university, LE, social media, etc. The professors wife refused to let him pay off his blackmailer. Long story short, it was a guy in his 40's scamming the professor all along, with blackmail planned from the start. But, because the wife wouldn't allow the fund transfer, the blackmailer made good on his promise and posted a lot of details about the encounters on websites, to damage the professors career. Professor sends him a text that says "I'm killing myself now. I'm dead, but you're going to jail for blackmail", then the professor jumped off a parking lot deck killing himself.

Moral of the story I guess is that blackmail is no fun? LOL. Well that, and the fact that career damage is a very real threat to probably 99% of the SDs out there. Anything we do to put that in jeopardy is probably not a good idea.

Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp!

I agree that SD sites are not low-hanging fruit for LE stings. There are easier ways for them to score.

Sting operations are not my primary concern. I've been discussing any LE related act that could threaten to shut down SD sites. All it will take is for the feds to decide they want to make this their agenda, and issue a single raid against a single prominent SD site owner, obtaining all the interactions that take place through the site (including the IP addresses linking each of the customers, for which they could then subpoena additional records if needed). Most likely what would happen is the only charges pressed would be against the website owner only. That would send a ripple effect through the industry that could result in changes that would make finding SBs a thousand times more difficult. All they need to do is charge one SD site with some sort of trumped up charge that involves being the facilitator of illegal activity, and the opportunities for SugarDaddying as we know it and discuss it on this thread would be finished -- literally overnight.

This is why I think it's important for us to always stay within the law, do not get complacent about what LE may or may not do, and discourage others from wandering carelessly into the hobby and doing things that draw unwanted legal attention.

[FredMoore]

Soliciting would be easy to set up. A hot agent provocateur could set up M&Gs with a bunch of Pots and get them to offer $ for sex. Bang! Soliciting. Scary thought. Always leave S-E-X out of the discussion. IDK if $ for "time together" or "private time " is enough to take to court. The mere fact of being arrested is all it would take to ruin someone's life or career since the SO and public opinion directs those things anyway. Methinks that LE has too many bigger targets such as Street soliciting, drug sales ands abuse, high volume escorting, pimp involvement, etc to spend their time trying to nab a couple of Pot SDs. In my area prostitution is in the top 10 in the nation and busts are regularly reported where 20 people are snared including Pimps and escorts along with the Johns. CL and BP are high risk indeed for Stings and violence. Could they ever go for the Sugar trade? Yeppp!

[HollywoodGuy]

Good Evening hwg, I appreciate all of your honesty, and that's something I've realized is very important for these type of arrangements to work out. I'm a naughty princess who is willing to become all yours, I've never had an arrangement with anyone off the site or have I've met any one in person yet. Just the other day, I was going to just give up with my search. I'm glad I've came across your email. I look foward to meeting you soon, I would perfer coffee first of course to see if there is chemistry. If you are still interested; just let me know the following days and times your available.


She is so ready. Sugar dating is cutting edge. New rules made everyday. and always a new girl just around the corner.

[John252]

Thanks for the discussion thus far.

My little friend has extensive knowledge of this SB, and she of him.

Threats are not physical.

Money vs exposure to job / family / neighbors.

Money amounts escalate.

[HollywoodGuy]

Depends on ones definition of "crossing paths" with regard to LE and SD sites. If you mean LE launching stings from SD sites, I would agree that has not happened much yet. It also did not happen much in the early days of Craigslist, and after LE started using CL regularly it took them a while to start using BP for stings. They will evolve their methods toward SD sites eventually if they appear too high on the radar.

Someone else will need to invest the time to fish out actual links for these, but I have heard of at least five cases in the last year that somehow intertwined LE and SD sites in ways that were not good for the SD (none of them were sting related).

One was the notorious Google exec case, one was the attempted robbery with knife case I mentioned earlier, one was a cop whose case was outlined in detail in the Ohio SB forum here on USASG (he was arrested when they found he was paying an SB he met on SA), and there have been two more cases described on the Dr Phil show since this time last year (I don't watch it but my GF does, so I take notice whenever they talk about sugarbabies).

Those are only the ones I aware of in the last 12 months where it would be disadvantageous for an SD to be caught texting or e-mailing an SB soliciting sex for money.

Yeah. A sting. Girls jacking you is a risk no matter how you meet them (especially at the alter). And CL is the bottom of the barrel. But most stings there are towards the girls. In L. A. They are always looking for girls too young to be there. But I always check ID when suspicious.

[JZLizard]

I may have posted this before. There is only one case where LE and the SD sites crossed paths. And it really had nothing to do with either one. It was just one individual that was being targeted and the SD site was used to entrap the person. His case was ultimately thrown out of court. That was over 7 years ago.

Depends on ones definition of "crossing paths" with regard to LE and SD sites. If you mean LE launching stings from SD sites, I would agree that has not happened much yet. It also did not happen much in the early days of Craigslist, and after LE started using CL regularly it took them a while to start using BP for stings. They will evolve their methods toward SD sites eventually if they appear too high on the radar.

Someone else will need to invest the time to fish out actual links for these, but I have heard of at least five cases in the last year that somehow intertwined LE and SD sites in ways that were not good for the SD (none of them were sting related).

One was the notorious Google exec case, one was the attempted robbery with knife case I mentioned earlier, one was a cop whose case was outlined in detail in the Ohio SB forum here on USASG (he was arrested when they found he was paying an SB he met on SA), and there have been two more cases described on the Dr Phil show since this time last year (I don't watch it but my GF does, so I take notice whenever they talk about sugarbabies).

Those are only the ones I aware of in the last 12 months where it would be disadvantageous for an SD to be caught texting or e-mailing an SB soliciting sex for money.

[JZLizard]

Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).

NP. I was wondering about that.

[HollywoodGuy]

Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).

Like FredMoore, I personally prefer discussing the arrangement before hand for a variety of reasons. I also prefer talking about it in person, face to face, for a variety of reasons, including not having a paper trail. Mostly I don't want, as FredMoore so aptly put it, a hot girl hunting me down because of differences in expectations.

IMHO, everything is situational. So hypothetically speaking, if a girl was extorting me for money by threatening me with physical assault charges, and seemed like she was crazy enough to go to the police, I would probably try to get a paper trail ASAP. Since I personally would rather deal with fighting a solicitation charge than a physical assault charge. Hypothetically if I was being held up after walking into a sbs house, I would probably call the cops since I'd rather be in jail than dead. If I got taken for my money (which has happened) I would do (and have done) what the OP did. Which is post info on this website to warn others.

While being arrested has the potential to damage ones life, a good lawyer should be able to keep you out of jail (depending on how careful one is). So while I tend to view things sitiationally, my general rule of thumb is that if physical harm to you or someone else is in imminent danger of physical harm, the police should probably be involved.

I may have posted this before. There is only one case where LE and the SD sites crossed paths. And it really had nothing to do with either one. It was just one individual that was being targeted and the SD site was used to entrap the person. His case was ultimately thrown out of court. That was over 7 years ago.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Looks like I confused a post from FredMoore and attributed it to you. Sorry about that (your name was referenced in the post, which may be why I attributed it to you).

Like FredMoore, I personally prefer discussing the arrangement before hand for a variety of reasons. I also prefer talking about it in person, face to face, for a variety of reasons, including not having a paper trail. Mostly I don't want, as FredMoore so aptly put it, a hot girl hunting me down because of differences in expectations.

IMHO, everything is situational. So hypothetically speaking, if a girl was extorting me for money by threatening me with physical assault charges, and seemed like she was crazy enough to go to the police, I would probably try to get a paper trail ASAP. Since I personally would rather deal with fighting a solicitation charge than a physical assault charge. Hypothetically if I was being held up after walking into a sbs house, I would probably call the cops since I'd rather be in jail than dead. If I got taken for my money (which has happened) I would do (and have done) what the OP did. Which is post info on this website to warn others.

While being arrested has the potential to damage ones life, a good lawyer should be able to keep you out of jail (depending on how careful one is). So while I tend to view things sitiationally, my general rule of thumb is that if physical harm to you or someone else is in imminent danger of physical harm, the police should probably be involved.

JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.

[JZLizard]

JL. I agree that your approach of not ever discussing allowance is probably a best practice. Of course, as you yourself noted in a prior post, not setting expectations can lead to having a pissed off SB who is upset at the gift you provided if she thinks it is too low.

Would you mind to cite the post you're referring to? If I conveyed it that way, I must have done a careless job of communicating my thoughts, or simply been thinking in another context. What I may have been trying to say is that *if* you enter into some sort of agreement with a girl, then the expectations on both ends should be well understood. By that I mean if you've been to the FC with someone a few times, but you want her to be exclusive arm candy, not see other SDs, move in or whatever and are offering a specific allowance for that, then yes I do believe it is important for both sides to know what they are getting into.

But I have never advocated agreement to pay for the first FC visit or a per-fuck amount. That aspect of my position has never changed. I also have never tried to tell someone else to change the methods that work for them in their particular geographic market, I only offer advice based on how I do it. I've mentioned sometimes I have to cut them loose before I ever meet them because they want to talk money, but it's not like women are in short supply, so it's worth it to focus on quality versus quantity and just move on to someone else who doesn't demand a money agreement before trying each other out in the FC.

I look at it like this: I want SBs who genuinely like sex. The last thing I want is to pay someone to ACT like they are enjoying fucking me when they really aren't. So, if they really do want to fuck me, I shouldn't have to wave a handful of cash, travelers checks, booksfull of S&H Greenstamps or whatever just to get them to drop their panties -- that's an act of desperation. Sure, there will be some girls that demand that, there's a name for them -- escorts (and there is a time and place for escorts I just don't think SD dating is either). There is an entire additional category of women who are attracted to successful men, would like the financial security of dating one, but also genuinely enjoy fucking them. The approach I recommend tends to attract that type and scare off all the rest.

As FredMoore noted, making sure a SB relationship ends well helps to avoid situations that involve Blackmail / Extortion.

I am all for anything that prevents the blackmail or extortion, but to me, the first step in minimizing that sort of thing is to avoid contact with folks who are already involving themselves in illegal activity in the first place. Any SB (or female) for that matter is capable of turning on us, but an escort is more likely to have other issues (lack of stability, drug problems, perhaps even existing criminal record etc.) that makes them more likely candidates for trouble.

I agree that we should exercise good social skills and judgment at all times to minimize trouble, regardless of the situation. I just think that folks need to be very careful before involving the police at all. Try to get out of the situation before it gets to that point. There was a story on here a while back about a guy that had been seeing these two girls regularly for many months. One day almost out of no where they get pissed of at him while riding in his car, and pull a knife and threaten him with it. So he bolts, abandoning his car, and calls the cops. They tell the cops he has been giving them "allowance" to meet him and all three of them go to jail, his mug on the news. You would think he would know them well enough after a few months of regular fucking to either avoid or defuse a situation like that, but you can never be sure with women. They are all just one PMS episode away from doing something unimaginable. So, in order to prepare for that day, we should be sure we didn't leave a paper trail of any illegal behaviors.

I also want to say that in terms of pros, I'm no angel. One thing I like to do is hit up strippers for takeout. Those that will are pros by definition. I'm not looking down on those who do hire escorts in anyway, there is a time and place for them. I'm just saying that once an SD visits a girl regularly, there is an increased chance of something to go wrong and into the direction of blackmail/extortion. It's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan with nothing like emails or texts proving you offered money for sex.