"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FyrGuy33]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

Sometimes you run into the ones that think you should pay them to sit and look pretty. I have never done that. When they request that, I tell them I will gladly pay the expense of the date itself, coffee, dinner, drinks, but I will not pay them for showing up for that. I tell them that I do not pay to sit and talk to them. I can get that at home for free. The sugar doesn't start until the panties hit the floor. They will try and tell you that your investing in a future arrangement. I ask them if they pay to go on a job interview. About half of them go silent at that point. The other half will meet you anyway. The ones that meet you without the sugar are the ones that are serious about an arrangement. The other ones are merely looking to turn you into their personal ATM. For those young ladies, I just say NEXT!

[Ltnric]

When I first started out, I would give a POT a small donation for a M&G. But I've definitely changed my ways since then. I'll pay for the coffee / drinks / meal / whatever. I'll even give some gas money if she drove a fair distance to come see me. But I absolutely will not give a POT some sugar just to come and have drinks or coffee or dinner with me, unless the M&G leads to the FC or I get some sort of sex play out of the date. More than a few POTs have declined to meet me because they wouldn't be getting paid to have coffee with me. Fine with me.

I still laugh that there are women out there that actually want money just to come out and meet you. LOL good luck ladies, enjoy your 6 cats!!

[Stixxer]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

Exactly, like you say, it is a meet and greet. Analogy would be an interview. They don't pay you to show up for the interview. I don't think anything is wrong with treating it like it is a casual date wherein you pick up the tab for whatever you do. However, it can be productive as you get to meet each other and if you are to each other's likings, then you can set some guidelines for your relationship at that time.

As things tend to go, one of you or the other may wish to modify from time to time, and being flexible is in my opinion a good thing. But know your limits and respect hers.

[FotoGuy1970]

I had a SA account and was fairly successful making contact with potentials. Was wondering is if any of the other sites (e.g. SD4ME) were worth it.

A few brothers report that different areas around the country seem to have different success rates with some of the various arrangement sites. SD4 ME seems to have a good selection depending on your location, but frequent reports (my own included) are that recurring billing is very difficult to stop. Take that into account when providing a payment method should you decide to give that site a go. SDToday is a totally free site, but you get what you pay for. I believe a couple brothers have had some mixed results there, myself included. Any other sites are too small or haven't had very many reports given.

[FotoGuy1970]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

When I first started out, I would give a POT a small donation for a M&G. But I've definitely changed my ways since then. I'll pay for the coffee / drinks / meal / whatever. I'll even give some gas money if she drove a fair distance to come see me. But I absolutely will not give a POT some sugar just to come and have drinks or coffee or dinner with me, unless the M&G leads to the FC or I get some sort of sex play out of the date. More than a few POTs have declined to meet me because they wouldn't be getting paid to have coffee with me. Fine with me.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

No, I wouldn't say that's typical. I've been on a site for a little over a month now and never had that happen. The donation convo happens to me after the first date.

[Dsprdo]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

I would never pay a girl just to meet for coffee or lunch. If the date doesn't end in the bedroom, no sugar. (Actually I'm lying I just did it recently and it worked out okay, but it was our second meeting and I had a good feeling about her. I have since closed the deal). But in general, don't pay for M&G's. If she refuses to meet because of that she was probably going to be a constant money drain anyway with less than fair return, os move on th the next!

[Nice 499]

I had a SA account and was fairly successful making contact with potentials. Was wondering is if any of the other sites (e.g. SD4ME) were worth it.

[Nice 499]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

[FredMoore]

Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.

The girls are playing the same game we are. They want more money and we want more sex. IMHO girls use sex to get money and we do the opposite. It is truly unusual to find a girl who flat out just loves sex for it's own sake and wants nothing in return. 50 Shades has opened up their minds to the fantasy world that they are looking for. Lots of wining, dining, and presents in return for a roll in the hay with a wealthy hot stud. The reality is shocking to them when they see the 70 yr old geezer walk in the coffee shop for a M&G. This guy is not Christian Gray. Perhaps he is more like Jim Belushi or Chevy Chase.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.

[Donwhite]

Good news. My tests came back negative and it was kidney stones. I got a antibiotic shot for nothing.

[Stixxer]

OK so if you look at my post history, you'll quickly figure I'm not from your geographic region. Actually, I'm from West KY and I sometimes make it to Nashville, TN for a little fun.

Divorced (happily) with one young child and I have a casual sugar relationship that has been going on for almost 2 years now. In case you wonder, no, that did not start until after me and my wife were separated.

So I'm wanting to branch out and I've done some searching on some Arrangement type websites. The most promising one is sugar daddy for me com. Reason being the escort thing is nice once in a while, but it is so hit and miss unless I make a day of it and drive to Nashville for truly good providers. Also, because I go for the more upscale type of lady, it is kind of costly for the amount of time involved. I'm thinking a SD / SB arrangement could prove more mutually enjoyable for more or less about the same financial commitment.

So what do you experienced Daddies recommend in terms of setting up your profile? One thing my casual lady friend has suggested (has profiles on a couple sites) is to get the premium type membership where female members can respond to my messages without being a paying member themselves. She says "if a guy can't spend a bit more for the all-encompassing membership, then it makes me think he's cheap. " But as far as pics, what to say, that sort of thing. What do you recommend?

Thanks and be safe.

[Stixxer]

Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue.

I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.

So it sounds like what you're saying is your family is keeping you out of trouble. For better or worse, and I would say "for better" because that is important to try to keep that ship floating along. A little on the side when you can, but you got to stay out of trouble, too.

I wish you the best.

[NutInHer]

Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue. As men we have the ability to compartmentalize and separate love and sex. For the most part women do not. Eventually as time goes on and the sex is amazing, feelings will begin to creep in for both parties. This is probably when it's best to cut and run if you use the big brain. Unfortunately the little brain wins most battles and clouds our judgement. This clouded judgment window is clearly dirtdeeds weakness which we all exhibit on some level. Women can sense this clouded judgement window as well, because usually our eyes are rolling towards the back of our head, LOL. Males have been struggling with this for centuries. So a hot 20 yo with an amazing rack wants to extract your man juice on a consistent basis, Darwin won't allow you to cut and run Dirtydeeds. You clearly have the money and the time for these young beauties, history will inevitably repeat itself in your case. It's a good problem to have and a curse at the same time. Variety will eventually end all of your relationships with these young hotties. Clearly you allow it to get to a point where you have genuine feelings for these girls as well. It's easy for me to sit on the outside and tell you to walk away earlier, but we are all guilty of allowing the penis to dictate our lives. I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.

A bit burned out at the moment, but not in necessarily a bad way. I now deem myself somewhat of a professional SD, WITH issues. The girls keep falling for me and I keep playing along with it. I have even went so far as to rent my own very nice townhouse on the side, furnished it, etc, all so I'd have a place 24/7 to bring the girls back. It's for no other purpose.

I've noticed a common denominator with these girls, especially the ones that get clingy and want relationships. Some of them are really sad inside, sweet, and kind young women, but, THEY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD! I've had marriage proposals and everything in between.

The latest girl is 24 in school, 5'2" very petite, big tits on her small frame, a bit of a loose box, but that's ok, she is a fucking freak in bed. I can't really even keep up with her. And now she too, is saying she's in love. Who am I ask? That this has now happened four times to me? I got maybe a slightly above average dick in size, yeah, I'm in shape for my age, I don't allow these girls to push me around, I stand my own and can be kind and gentle etc, but I do test their limits. I'm not God's gift to woman and this keeps happening. And if you think they just want my money, in all four of these instances now, they asked me to stop giving it to them cause they wanted it to be real. WTF?

For those out there entertaining the idea of this hobby, a big huge warning. As you get further into this and connect with a few of these fine young women. (not just the wham bam types, but a connection) you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER be able to go back to a partnership type relationship with a woman you own age. And for a moment you might think something real, can come of it as then reality of your age kicks in. And then the twenty something you've become attached is there and then you'll wake up and realize too much of your life has gone by and it isn't happening. A true defining moment of something "bitter sweet" But my brothers, that can be internally painful to realize when you have some starry eyes beauty wanting future plans with you, who will suck the cum out of every night and you have to face reality, in a few years, you'll be knocking on deaths door and she will just be beginning her life. It's a tough pill to swallow. Trust me.

So my advise, work very hard to keep the feelings at bay and if you sense them coming on. RUN, no matter how good she is.

If you know how to play this game, it can be the most rewarding experiences of you life as a man. It can take you back and let you see how you could have and maybe should have done things. It will make you think you can win over beautiful 20-something women and awe them, but at the end of the day, it will forever remain bitter sweet. So learn how to deal with all that before you start getting serious with any of these women.