"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

For those out there entertaining the idea of this hobby, a big huge warning.

Thats a warning or an endorsement?

As you get further into this and connect with a few of these fine young women. (not just the wham bam types, but a connection) you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER be able to go back to a partnership type relationship with a woman you own age.

Or any age.

[DirtyDeeds38]

A bit burned out at the moment, but not in necessarily a bad way. I now deem myself somewhat of a professional SD, WITH issues. The girls keep falling for me and I keep playing along with it. I have even went so far as to rent my own very nice townhouse on the side, furnished it, etc, all so I'd have a place 24/7 to bring the girls back. It's for no other purpose.

I've noticed a common denominator with these girls, especially the ones that get clingy and want relationships. Some of them are really sad inside, sweet, and kind young women, but, THEY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD! I've had marriage proposals and everything in between.

The latest girl is 24 in school, 5'2" very petite, big tits on her small frame, a bit of a loose box, but that's ok, she is a fucking freak in bed. I can't really even keep up with her. And now she too, is saying she's in love. Who am I ask? That this has now happened four times to me? I got maybe a slightly above average dick in size, yeah, I'm in shape for my age, I don't allow these girls to push me around, I stand my own and can be kind and gentle etc, but I do test their limits. I'm not God's gift to woman and this keeps happening. And if you think they just want my money, in all four of these instances now, they asked me to stop giving it to them cause they wanted it to be real. WTF?

For those out there entertaining the idea of this hobby, a big huge warning. As you get further into this and connect with a few of these fine young women. (not just the wham bam types, but a connection) you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER be able to go back to a partnership type relationship with a woman you own age. And for a moment you might think something real, can come of it as then reality of your age kicks in. And then the twenty something you've become attached is there and then you'll wake up and realize too much of your life has gone by and it isn't happening. A true defining moment of something "bitter sweet" But my brothers, that can be internally painful to realize when you have some starry eyes beauty wanting future plans with you, who will suck the cum out of every night and you have to face reality, in a few years, you'll be knocking on deaths door and she will just be beginning her life. It's a tough pill to swallow. Trust me.

So my advise, work very hard to keep the feelings at bay and if you sense them coming on. RUN, no matter how good she is.

If you know how to play this game, it can be the most rewarding experiences of you life as a man. It can take you back and let you see how you could have and maybe should have done things. It will make you think you can win over beautiful 20-something women and awe them, but at the end of the day, it will forever remain bitter sweet. So learn how to deal with all that before you start getting serious with any of these women.

[Dog Rice]

You are lucky that 2 of them at least let you know for cancellation. Get used to this, bro! .

When you read the title you think you lucky dog! Well hold our horses. I've been stood up three times in less than one week. Yes three times they canceled within a few hours of the date and one didn't even bother to call to cancel. God how I hate these young bitches! But I won't give up LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

Sent by an an 18 year old hottie from a wealthy suburb.

"I usually get like 300-500 for a handjob".

You would never hear something like that, from a girl on SD4 M.

Went on a failed M&G which wasted my whole night. The girl was very pretty but probably gained 20 lbs from the high school pics she sent me. Which on a 5'2' body is a lot. I was as nice as possible, but it was a little awkward. It wasn't a total waste. Because now she is off my list.

[Bastardo]

When you read the title you think you lucky dog! Well hold our horses. I've been stood up three times in less than one week. Yes three times they canceled within a few hours of the date and one didn't even bother to call to cancel. God how I hate these young bitches! But I won't give up LOL.

Yeah, I got stood up tonight myself from a 20 yr old, after getting stood up last Saturday from a 19 yr old. Both white girls. On the bright side, after she cancelled, I went down to pick up show tix for tomorrow with my new ATF, and ended up hitting a 20 k straight flush. Life is good sometimes.

[HollywoodGuy]

When you read the title you think you lucky dog! Well hold our horses. I've been stood up three times in less than one week. Yes three times they canceled within a few hours of the date and one didn't even bother to call to cancel. God how I hate these young bitches! But I won't give up LOL.

Giving up is not allowed on this thread.

[Ltnric]

When you read the title you think you lucky dog! Well hold our horses. I've been stood up three times in less than one week. Yes three times they canceled within a few hours of the date and one didn't even bother to call to cancel. God how I hate these young bitches! But I won't give up LOL.

[HollywoodGuy]

For those of you who have experience with such arrangements do you pay before / after the period? Is it usually for a fixed # of dates in a week / month or all you can "eat" (he. He. He.) during that period?

In other words flat rate or metered billing? .

I always pay per date unless I have already been seeing the person for at least 6 months and even then depending. I only have one girl on a guaranteed allowance at this time. But we live together so thats a little bit different.

[PghGuy2005]

For those of you who have experience with such arrangements do you pay before / after the period? Is it usually for a fixed # of dates in a week / month or all you can "eat" (he. He. He.) during that period?

In other words flat rate or metered billing? .

[HollywoodGuy]

HollywoodGuy,

Would you advise using this methodology including $ per date with white MILF 35 yr? I can probably do $. 5 but will it just be a waste of time?

What amount for white women do you think will yield roughly the same results as $ does with AA / Latino?

Depends on her looks. As stated by many other members MILF's can be expensive. White women in general are going to be twice as hard to nail for the same price as almost anyone else.

[PghGuy2005]

All the women on SA say that they are not prostitutes and don't do pay for play as it makes them feel like prostitutes. I wonder how many guys on SA are looking for intellectual stimulation.

As George Bernard Shaw said "marriage is licensed prostitution" and so are these "arrangements" only difference is you make a different kind of "arrangement" with an escort.

[PghGuy2005]

HollywoodGuy,

Would you advise using this methodology including $ per date with white MILF 35 yr? I can probably do $. 5 but will it just be a waste of time?

What amount for white women do you think will yield roughly the same results as $ does with AA / Latino?

Of course you need to adjust the message to your style and needs. And even after all this I still have to send one more message detailing what will be expected for that $. As there are some that think it might be just for the M&G. So the direct approach I put it all in one message. What I pay and what I expect in return. This slow approach takes 5 total messages to get it all out. And sometimes I go off the script depending on the girl. But not completely. As it is a step by step process that elicits the response I need to segue into the next message/?. Normally in sales you want to ask a few softball questions that lead to an affirmative response before dropping the bombshell. So if someone says yes 4 times in a row. There is a 1 in 2 to 5 chance they will say yes to the final question depending on their rank. 7's say yes half the time. 8's a quarter of the time. 9's maybe 10% of the time. And 10's?. At a $ maybe never. LOL.

And this is for non-white non- asian girls only. If they are white or asian your percentages are going to be less. Also these percentages are only for girls that you are already in the process with. Not cold calling averages.

[HollywoodGuy]

Thanks HWG. I did read about your methodology. Being the type of guy who does not like to talk much about himself I skipped certain parts of it and went straight to asking about their expectation $.

OK I will try and add the missing part.

Of course you need to adjust the message to your style and needs. And even after all this I still have to send one more message detailing what will be expected for that $. As there are some that think it might be just for the M&G. So the direct approach I put it all in one message. What I pay and what I expect in return. This slow approach takes 5 total messages to get it all out. And sometimes I go off the script depending on the girl. But not completely. As it is a step by step process that elicits the response I need to segue into the next message/?. Normally in sales you want to ask a few softball questions that lead to an affirmative response before dropping the bombshell. So if someone says yes 4 times in a row. There is a 1 in 2 to 5 chance they will say yes to the final question depending on their rank. 7's say yes half the time. 8's a quarter of the time. 9's maybe 10% of the time. And 10's?. At a $ maybe never. LOL.

And this is for non-white non- asian girls only. If they are white or asian your percentages are going to be less. Also these percentages are only for girls that you are already in the process with. Not cold calling averages.

[PghGuy2005]

Thanks HWG. I did read about your methodology. Being the type of guy who does not like to talk much about himself I skipped certain parts of it and went straight to asking about their expectation $.

OK I will try and add the missing part.

Message a.

"Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. That would be some less attractive, needy guy. And you will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them). And you'll probably need that just to tolerate them.

But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. ".

Wait for her reply.

Message b

(say something germain to her reply, and then) I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 the girl has to like me. At $300 I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

here is a normal reply I got today "100 is fine ..it helps even if it's not much. Care to meet to sea if there's a connection?"

[HollywoodGuy]

How do I put out my donation amount?

Message a.

"Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar, that won't be me. That would be some less attractive, needy guy. And you will get offers of 200 to 300 a date (lots of them). And you'll probably need that just to tolerate them.

But if you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, better looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. ".

Wait for her reply.

Message b

(say something germain to her reply, and then) I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for $100 the girl has to like me. At $300 I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

Here is a normal reply I got today "100 is fine ..it helps even if it's not much. Care to meet to see if there's a connection?"

Here is one from last nite "Absolutely! Makes sense.(: Sounds like were on the same page (: And 100$ of course won't cover but it will help me pay my books! I'm attending a community college so itd be a great help..."

Here is the 100 is fine girl.. About a 8/8.5, AA, 20, 5'4'