The Rat Trap

[WilliamMstrs]

If you read between the lines of Love Lee's retort of RainbowDash's rant, you find that she offers specials when times are lean and not when she is busy. That is the way the free enterprise system works. It is a benefit to the hobby to have new talent find us, advertise, get better and raise rates. That will draw in more new talent. Plus, it keeps the old talent sharp. Also, if there is more supply then the price of service stays moderate, which attracts more guys so the SP's get more business and we get better prices. If there is a lack of good talent then we all overpay for under performance. That is the very embodiment of the law of supply and demand.

Also, a bigger market means more competition and more work for those needing work. Add a reliable review system and you have a perfect market where we, the consumer, help the provider improve their service (or get out). The worst thing we can do is write these bull shit reviews as White Knights. That does not help anyone. Ladies with poor service are encouraged to not improve and we, the consumer, become sour on the market and get out of this literary club. We take our business somewhere else. So, what is left is the White Knights and the bad SP's. Eventually, the whole club deteriorates. I personally am against that and really try to give honest reviews and feedback, encourage new talent to come to our neighborhood and encourage up and coming talent to improve service.

I am not opposed to being a White Knight and if you check my posts you will find where I have done it, but I also state out front what I am doing. If a SP I know needs business and I can help, I will. I refuse to write bull shit embellished reviews. Instead, I simply state, here is a SP that needs some business and she is worth it. Some of you White Knights should try that as it makes the whole club a better place to play. Cut the crap.

End of my rant.

C3.

Some extra. This same free market allows us, those who hold the purse strings, and who have control of who gets to have funds to pay for the groceries, to chose. Go back to the old discussion of the two dollar coke can. Some will pay for it because it is in demand in a tourist area, and it is convenient, etc. Others will not pay for a 2 dollar coke, no matter what as a coke is a coke. All we need is honest reviews. Providers can raise or lower their prices as dictated by the tides of supply and demand, as will others stick to their guns knowing that a steady price point is desirable to many. So in the end, we are the ones that chose our poison. Want the all star that right now is in demand? Want legend material? Want a bargain? Want a superbly expensive BJ or HJ? Want to avoid a cash and dash? Have a ton of $ to spend like there is no tomorrow on a provider? The choice is ours, and the data, and menu, resides in this forum.

[Ron Donald]

Thanks for the intel, man.

RD check out the pm I sent, and be careful there.

I will keep it short here, and say that the hobby there once used to be WOW! Now it is dangerous. Think Russian Roulette with all of the chambers loaded except one. Not worth taking the leap of risk. There are a few gems, but just that, a few. You need either a contact there that you trust, or have enough dough to guarantee your safety. If a GI, a JArhead, and a Squid could not feel safe, that is the red flag that tells you how big of a risk it is.

[Camera3]

If you read between the lines of Love Lee's retort of RainbowDash's rant, you find that she offers specials when times are lean and not when she is busy. That is the way the free enterprise system works. It is a benefit to the hobby to have new talent find us, advertise, get better and raise rates. That will draw in more new talent. Plus, it keeps the old talent sharp. Also, if there is more supply then the price of service stays moderate, which attracts more guys so the SP's get more business and we get better prices. If there is a lack of good talent then we all overpay for under performance. That is the very embodiment of the law of supply and demand.

Also, a bigger market means more competition and more work for those needing work. Add a reliable review system and you have a perfect market where we, the consumer, help the provider improve their service (or get out). The worst thing we can do is write these bull shit reviews as White Knights. That does not help anyone. Ladies with poor service are encouraged to not improve and we, the consumer, become sour on the market and get out of this literary club. We take our business somewhere else. So, what is left is the White Knights and the bad SP's. Eventually, the whole club deteriorates. I personally am against that and really try to give honest reviews and feedback, encourage new talent to come to our neighborhood and encourage up and coming talent to improve service.

I am not opposed to being a White Knight and if you check my posts you will find where I have done it, but I also state out front what I am doing. If a SP I know needs business and I can help, I will. I refuse to write bull shit embellished reviews. Instead, I simply state, here is a SP that needs some business and she is worth it. Some of you White Knights should try that as it makes the whole club a better place to play. Cut the crap.

End of my rant.

C3.

I probably should throw the disclaimer out right now. While not ALL escorts I have listed in my "rant" post are extraordinarily expensive, I was merely pointing out that the rates on Date-Check were a smidge on the higher side.

As much as I would love to take you on your offer regarding reasonable rates, I unfortunately can't because of your "Under 40" rule. I do appreciate you taking the time to put an alternative perspective on things, however! Those are needed sometimes.
I have sent you correspondence to further explain myself, with the appropriate DC info for your perusal.

[WilliamMstrs]

Hey, mongers. Going to be spending a few days in PR for a business trip. Figured I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has good suggestions for providers and / or recommended web resources not unlike our own here.

Appreciate it.

RD check out the pm I sent, and be careful there.

I will keep it short here, and say that the hobby there once used to be WOW! Now it is dangerous. Think Russian Roulette with all of the chambers loaded except one. Not worth taking the leap of risk. There are a few gems, but just that, a few. You need either a contact there that you trust, or have enough dough to guarantee your safety. If a GI, a JArhead, and a Squid could not feel safe, that is the red flag that tells you how big of a risk it is.

[MissMurno69]

I want to give a special thanks for the few guys that did come see me. I really appreciate you guys, as for the no calls no shows KC, DD,SF, maybe in the future we can meet. Until the next time Kissing Orlando.

[RainbowDash3]

With all due respect, Rainbow, I run specials on back page all the time. Please feel free to check them out and take advantage of them. I think you will find they are quite in line for what you are looking for.

Do I have days I don't run specials? Of course. Normally if I have a full schedule I do not post specials. But for the most part my special rates are quite reasonable for a well established and very well reviewed escort.

Have a blessed day!

Love,

Lee.

I probably should throw the disclaimer out right now. While not ALL escorts I have listed in my "rant" post are extraordinarily expensive, I was merely pointing out that the rates on Date-Check were a smidge on the higher side.

As much as I would love to take you on your offer regarding reasonable rates, I unfortunately can't because of your "Under 40" rule. I do appreciate you taking the time to put an alternative perspective on things, however! Those are needed sometimes.
I have sent you correspondence to further explain myself, with the appropriate DC info for your perusal.

[LoveLee77]

Reviews are supposed to be (in MY opinion) a way to weed out possible danger. I don't really care what one person did with another person, it's always possible that for the gal, you look like the hottest thing since sliced bread and she'll go above and beyond. While to another gal, you're uglier than a dog and she won't do much besides a HJ.

In the end though, people are greedy. If I had a dollar for every instance someone raised their rates, changed their pricing, or started to give me LESS time for the same pricing, I'd probably have enough money every year for an extra session or two.

"But RD! What about the fact that once they get 'old' (this concept is dumb, but I'm not here to talk about that), they might not be able to get as much, etc?

My question to you is, what about some of the more experienced and fine-like-wine providers such as Joytoy, LoveLee77, ThePrivAsst, JerseyGirl?

I haven't met up with any of them, but from the reviews online AND my Date Check profile, I know these lovely ladies are in this for the long haul AND have rates that I sometimes can't even stomach!

I honestly don't blame any mongers that hold out info on UTRs that they find on "cheap UTRs" w / great service.

Hell, if I was a girl doing this, I'd do the smart LONG TERM thing. Advertise heavily in the first month or so, after getting a decent base, pick the mongers I like the best and keep them.

Consistent source of income WHILE having fun. I would give up drinking FOREVER for extra money like that. Where else are you going to find a job that pays you this kind of Mario coin?

Any ladies reading this should consider cost-benefit analysis. Short term quick cash is nice, but where are you going to be in a few years? If you're looking for a long term situation, hit me up as long as you have decent reviews or DC.

With all due respect, Rainbow, I run specials on back page all the time. Please feel free to check them out and take advantage of them. I think you will find they are quite in line for what you are looking for.

Do I have days I don't run specials? Of course. Normally if I have a full schedule I do not post specials. But for the most part my special rates are quite reasonable for a well established and very well reviewed escort.

Have a blessed day!

Love,

Lee.

[Ron Donald]

Hey, mongers. Going to be spending a few days in PR for a business trip. Figured I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has good suggestions for providers and / or recommended web resources not unlike our own here.

Appreciate it.

[Camera3]

Yeah, I read that review and scratched my head, too. First, the girl does have a couple of good reviews from guys we don't know, for what that is worth, and a couple of bad reviews, also from guys we don't know, and a pretty nice apology from her for not answering her phone. I do hope that works out for that dude. Then this guy begging her for a good review which makes no sense at all. I think it is the full moon. Yeah. That's it. The full moon.

C3.

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RainbowDash3.

Ashley23 - only consider for QVs!

Hey guys, you remember that movie from 1998 with Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker? Two cops team up to get back a kidnapped daughter.

'Cause that's exactly what happened LOL.

Last four of phone number is 5967.

Last ad posted on 01-31-15 17:42.

Saw her recently. Anyways I text to ask about rates early in the day. Rates were 80 qv 120 h 200 h, I'm like nevermind don't worry about it.

She suggests 25 off, and then take it from there.

She doesn't have decent reviews, so I'm skeptical.

She texts me back an hour or so later and agrees to my price.

I text her back a few more hours later to accept.

I meet her at her place. Crappy hotel by UCF. Short drive for me, not too bad.

The good: From far away she looks rather young. Like, illegal young. She is a spinner, so there's that. Pierced nips, if you're into that.

She does a LE check (which, I'll never understand be / see they can still book you regardless).

Immediately after that, she says 200. I'm like really? We agreed on the 160 for the hour. If you don't like it, I'll give you a 20 for your time, and move out.

She's like no no, it's fine. Can my girlfriend stay outside while we're in the room?

I'm all sorts of sketched out. She's like nevermind, after I tell her that I'm worried about getting robbed. (in hindsight, I think she wanted to upsell me on a duo, she did ask if I wanted a duo for next time when I was leaving).

She happily accepts donations immediately.

Finally a slightly toothy BBBJ. I'm still kinda sketched out about the situation, and during almost the ENTIRE session, there's someone like scratching at / walking near the door. It was really weird.

I ask her who the heck is that? She tells me that it's her girlfriend, bad back etc (protip: she's a terrible liar) - can't even keep the two lies straight!

I finish the first round and I'm absolutely certain I have another 45. I ask how much time I have left, because that's always a good sign of how fast things will go downhill. She tells me I have 15 minutes left. (PSSSSH OKAY) I give it another go, but she keeps on rushing me + the whole person outside the door.

At this point in time, I'm more concerned about safety than anything. I give up because this is a lost cause in my book.

I notice at this point in time she really just doesn't give a crap. I lower my standards even more and tell her look, if you just give me a review I'll leave right now.

Ashley tells me that she'll do it immediately once I leave. Uh huh. Right.

As I leave, I notice a girl sitting outside on the stairs, and she appears to be mean mugging me while I walk out the door. Ashley leaves the hotel room as I step outside and starts talking with the girl by the stairs.

They get a good look at my car before I leave. The good news is, I'm single and don't really have any wives to worry about, so whatever.

I follow up about the review because I'm nice like that. Second chance this morning. I'm like look, you can rip me off on time, least you can do is leave a review. She says "that's rude, reviews take 24 hrs, etc" Still no review. Whatever.

If anyone is wondering why I give so much of a shit about the reviews, it A) keeps me current and B) sometimes you see random SMs and wonder who the eff those guys are from, you know? They seem like shills.

Anyways. Ash, if you're reading this. Thanks for absolutely setting the new standard for terrible service. I am willing to overlook time and lack of service (s), but sheesh. I know we're probably around the same age but your "pretty girl entitlement" card has only a few more years before it runs out. Especially with the cigs you smoke (that'll age you pretty quickly). I do apologize for not being able to keep it up with someone outside the room's door. I guess I'm not into being the main star of a snuff film, you know?

SMs, if you're reading this. QVs would probably be all that's good, nothing more; only if you hate driving downtown like me.

Other items to note: "oh, I only have one condom" (read: I don't feel like going two rounds or working, period.); she also only buys the stupidly expensive brand of condoms. Girl, you're wasting your money.

Total damage was 160 for the rushed half hour. While it's not great that I got ripped off, it could've been worse.

I highly doubt she'll reply back or even advertise again be / see she actually has to be accountable for her actions (unlike BP, where most people don't really do the research before heading out).

SMs if you have questions, I'll answer any for Ashley23.

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Are you honestly posting that you were basically BEGGING a provider to give YOU, THE MONGER, a good review on here?

You basically have a shitty ass dream, spent your mario coin and was ripped off and you begged her to give YOU a good review?

If this is not completely backwards, I don't know what is.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

This site is for mongers to report on providers, not for providers to report on mongers. They have there own sites for that.

Begging a provider to post a positive review about you, a monger, especially after a shitty dream with her is completely asinine. You may seriously want to rethink your participation in this hobby and what this board is meant for.

[Potsy]

RainbowDash3 RainbowDash3 is offline.

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RainbowDash3.

Ashley23 - only consider for QVs!

Hey guys, you remember that movie from 1998 with Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker? Two cops team up to get back a kidnapped daughter.

'Cause that's exactly what happened LOL.

Last four of phone number is 5967.

Last ad posted on 01-31-15 17:42.

Saw her recently. Anyways I text to ask about rates early in the day. Rates were 80 qv 120 h 200 h, I'm like nevermind don't worry about it.

She suggests 25 off, and then take it from there.

She doesn't have decent reviews, so I'm skeptical.

She texts me back an hour or so later and agrees to my price.

I text her back a few more hours later to accept.

I meet her at her place. Crappy hotel by UCF. Short drive for me, not too bad.

The good: From far away she looks rather young. Like, illegal young. She is a spinner, so there's that. Pierced nips, if you're into that.

She does a LE check (which, I'll never understand be / see they can still book you regardless).

Immediately after that, she says 200. I'm like really? We agreed on the 160 for the hour. If you don't like it, I'll give you a 20 for your time, and move out.

She's like no no, it's fine. Can my girlfriend stay outside while we're in the room?

I'm all sorts of sketched out. She's like nevermind, after I tell her that I'm worried about getting robbed. (in hindsight, I think she wanted to upsell me on a duo, she did ask if I wanted a duo for next time when I was leaving).

She happily accepts donations immediately.

Finally a slightly toothy BBBJ. I'm still kinda sketched out about the situation, and during almost the ENTIRE session, there's someone like scratching at / walking near the door. It was really weird.

I ask her who the heck is that? She tells me that it's her girlfriend, bad back etc (protip: she's a terrible liar) - can't even keep the two lies straight!

I finish the first round and I'm absolutely certain I have another 45. I ask how much time I have left, because that's always a good sign of how fast things will go downhill. She tells me I have 15 minutes left. (PSSSSH OKAY) I give it another go, but she keeps on rushing me + the whole person outside the door.

At this point in time, I'm more concerned about safety than anything. I give up because this is a lost cause in my book.

I notice at this point in time she really just doesn't give a crap. I lower my standards even more and tell her look, if you just give me a review I'll leave right now.

Ashley tells me that she'll do it immediately once I leave. Uh huh. Right.

As I leave, I notice a girl sitting outside on the stairs, and she appears to be mean mugging me while I walk out the door. Ashley leaves the hotel room as I step outside and starts talking with the girl by the stairs.

They get a good look at my car before I leave. The good news is, I'm single and don't really have any wives to worry about, so whatever.

I follow up about the review because I'm nice like that. Second chance this morning. I'm like look, you can rip me off on time, least you can do is leave a review. She says "that's rude, reviews take 24 hrs, etc" Still no review. Whatever.

If anyone is wondering why I give so much of a shit about the reviews, it A) keeps me current and B) sometimes you see random SMs and wonder who the eff those guys are from, you know? They seem like shills.

Anyways. Ash, if you're reading this. Thanks for absolutely setting the new standard for terrible service. I am willing to overlook time and lack of service (s), but sheesh. I know we're probably around the same age but your "pretty girl entitlement" card has only a few more years before it runs out. Especially with the cigs you smoke (that'll age you pretty quickly). I do apologize for not being able to keep it up with someone outside the room's door. I guess I'm not into being the main star of a snuff film, you know?

SMs, if you're reading this. QVs would probably be all that's good, nothing more; only if you hate driving downtown like me.

Other items to note: "oh, I only have one condom" (read: I don't feel like going two rounds or working, period.); she also only buys the stupidly expensive brand of condoms. Girl, you're wasting your money.

Total damage was 160 for the rushed half hour. While it's not great that I got ripped off, it could've been worse.

I highly doubt she'll reply back or even advertise again be / see she actually has to be accountable for her actions (unlike BP, where most people don't really do the research before heading out).

SMs if you have questions, I'll answer any for Ashley23.

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Are you honestly posting that you were basically BEGGING a provider to give YOU, THE MONGER, a good review on here?

You basically have a shitty ass dream, spent your mario coin and was ripped off and you begged her to give YOU a good review?

If this is not completely backwards, I don't know what is.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

This site is for mongers to report on providers, not for providers to report on mongers. They have there own sites for that.

Begging a provider to post a positive review about you, a monger, especially after a shitty dream with her is completely asinine. You may seriously want to rethink your participation in this hobby and what this board is meant for.

[PaigeSweetStuf]

Ok so I am pretty open to giving references but a few things to please keep in mind.

1. If there is a review on here of the dream I will have vailidated it with a public thank you of the wonderful fictio. Story written about the dream. This serves as a reference point. I am not always available to answer references or have the time to trudge thru numbers or reviews. If they are thanked they are legit. That is a huge reason for this forum not just to advertise but validate one another.

2. As in the business world it is nice if a monger is going to use me as a ference to please give me a heads up. This is proper etiquette in any business setting. Also I don't want to give any information that shouldn't be given. A quick text letting me know who the provider is and they will cobtacting me for a reference will suffice. I am more than happy to give referrals unless.

3. Providers that contact me for a reference can not show gratitude after clearing a monger as safe with a simple thank you. Respect and gratitude go a long way in life. If I am helping you stay out of harms way then a thanks should be in order. You can take the time to contact me for reference to bolster your business but not thank me for taking part in security. Next time you are on your own.

This doesn't happen often but it does happen. I want everyone to be safe but also respectful and smart.

Xoxo.

Paige.

[WilliamMstrs]

Preferably the only information I need which is the gentleman's (handle) and number or email he used when contacting me. You will have to find out penis size on your own as I stated in my pm reply before.

Savanna.

Good grief! So in a business where providers render services to mongers who have different reasons to partake, some of these could include certain physical deficiencies, restrictions such as these seem to be against the established model. Rules are alright, and some restrictions do need apply, but to exclude the baby dicks out there, and then ask another sp about it is out of place. I like Savanna's answer: "Measure it yourself!" After all, rulers are standard issue in the office. We have great talent here so there is no need for overpriced, and picky, mid. Range providers in town.

[Otwist]

So, a slightly frumpy over priced over the hill hooker won't fuck me because my dick is too short?

Damn.

I guess I am just stuck with one of the half dozen or so amazing drop dead gorgeous young spinner legends that hang around our literary club.

Wow! God bless the free enterprise system.

C3.

No matter what the size of your office EQ, why would anyone call this woman. Its like her website is designed to repel, rather than attract potential clients.

[Camera3]

So, a slightly frumpy over priced over the hill hooker won't fuck me because my dick is too short?

Damn.

I guess I am just stuck with one of the half dozen or so amazing drop dead gorgeous young spinner legends that hang around our literary club.

Wow! God bless the free enterprise system.

C3.

Preferably the only information I need which is the gentleman's (handle) and number or email he used when contacting me. You will have to find out penis size on your own as I stated in my pm reply before.

Savanna.

[Sexifun]

If you go to the other board you will see this is a meet and greet scheduled for orlando on the 19th. One of the ladies from this board is attending (joytoy) and I may try to as well.