"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[GetLost]

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

What is a man to do?

Had 3 FC during first meeting.

First turned out to be a pro even though nothing came up when I searched for her phone#. Second was a nice lady just a little too much in the middle may still meet her occasionally. Third was big! Should stay away from those "few extra pounds"!

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

I am not judging anyone and to each his own but whenever I read this thread I just can't get over the money these women want. Maybe because I have no problem meeting women and at any given time have a GF or am taking a break from one. Never mind marrying one. I get bored easily and I am cheap. I learned the lesson of being "nice" a long time ago, I find that if I am a borderline prick and slightly obnoxious I can usually get any woman, for free. For some reason they love it, not all of course but many. Most women are weirdos or crazy bitches so why pay for that? If I do have a need I usually seek out a street urchin get my BJ and get rid of them. 20 bucks well spent. And that's why I pay, to get rid of them. So my question is this: what is the purpose of being a SD / SB? I just don't get it, can someone give me their take on what they get out of it? I'm being serious, and just asking for opinions on what you all think, thanks.

[JZLizard]

I've been lurking and reading up since last October. New to the site. I've learned quite a bit.

My question (this is only an example) is if a girl posted in her profile about $$ and you give her $ isn't she pretty pissed off? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote. Thanks.

The short answer is they can't specify per date expectation on SA which is what I usually use. The longer answer is that I have had a few that say (prior to meeting) something like "so how much is my allowance?" And I immediately identify them as a problem child and I won't deal with them.

There are a lot of girls that never get passed the initial e-mail conversation with me. I try to filter out the ones that will be a pain in the ass or lead nowhere. Perhaps if I were willing to compromise I could find happy medium and thereby get more pussy cheaper, but as I said I usually have a very short time window in which I can play, so I have to filter out all bullshit and choose the best of the best.

I make it clear to them that I don't HAVE to pay for sex, therefore I want someone who fucks because she likes to fuck. If their motive is purely digging for gold, they can keep moving. The ones that find something attractive in me will move forward with the M&G.

So far I've only had one who completely fooled me, seemed like a class act and the real deal (and was super hot). Made it through my screening procedures to the M&G, only to find out she wanted to discuss money before the FC, and even then she was an unrealistic GPS so I sent her home broke and me home with blueballs. I found out later by finding her on Facebook she is in a LTR relationship with another woman. She didn't even appear to be bisexual, she had no interest in cock at all. Explained a lot after I found out all the details. Too bad, she was quite convincing and I would have loved to stuff her.

[JeanSaulPartre]

I have encountered more and more POTs insisting on giving to start before the arrangement. While so far the approach "ok, next" is working, I am starting to wonder whether this is a new trend, with new SDs entering the bowl and making the rookie mistake of breaking the Golden Rule of sugar (flows both ways). While it is someone else's money, if our POTs will get the notion that they can just rinse and repeat, it will be much harder to find a true heart among the scammers. Also, another trend I encountered, POTs trying to negotiate a "sterile" FC trip, with both of you wearing a space suit so she, God forbids, catches some terrible bug from your filthy touch.

Maybe the Golden Age of Sugar is coming to an end, sooner then we expected?

[Mike7794]

The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.

I've been lurking and reading up since last October. New to the site. I've learned quite a bit.

My question (this is only an example) is if a girl posted in her profile about $$ and you give her $ isn't she pretty pissed off? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote. Thanks.

[HollywoodGuy]

I just broke my SA cherry with a sweet UTR girl. Not your typical UTR at all. Very girl next door to the girl next door type. She was a little mousy but sexy and very submissive and very petite. The submissive part got me going as her looks were nothing to marvel at.

When I originally txted her earlier today about seeing her tonite, she said too bad as she was going out. Lucky for me it was near my house, so she just left early and swung by.

It was more like an after school makeout session with just masturbating each other for about 40 minutes tops. She was a 24 year old white latina about a 7/6/8/7. So I took my own advice and went for the low hanging fruit for a $, got her off my list and made another date for later tonite with a different girl (if I can get it up). Still got a couple hours to decide. The one tonite has her own place. I may just go there to relieve the boredom.

So I got in a solid 8 hours at work, did a session with her, got a quick bite after and still made it home in time for the 6:30 news. Sometimes it pays to be an early bird.

And just now girl number two called to flake on tonites date, but better her flaking than me. This is why its good to double book sometimes, cuz peoples plans do change.

[IluvSmellyFish]

I tend to "date" my sbs as well. Definitely not cost effective as the costs associated with me playing in the bowl are well over double what HWG reports paying with probably about a third as many trips to the FC.

My style is different than JeezLizard though because I prefer to discuss expectations at the m&g or after, and almost always before the FC.

Also to clarify, I never provide an allowance for a simple m&g. If I like a girl, there will be times when I give her a small token gift to cover expenses associated with travel.

I am no brad pitt either, but on the other hand am relatively fit and have been told I am easy on the eyes. Being under 40 doesn't hurt either.

Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.

[HollywoodGuy]

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

Hang in there dude. You can always keep looking while you are calling the pros. I strongly suggest you put out your donation amount asap. You may catch some low hanging fruit at first and then work your way up.

[Dsprdo]

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

Is this your preferred age range? Typically women in the 30 something range seem to have a higher demand. There has been some speculation on here as to the psychology of that, maybe its as simple as they are in a place in their lives where $100 is just not going to make as much of a difference as it does for a 22 year old. My sweet spot has been 21-25. I had one long thing with a 30 year old for $200 a week but it was really much closer to regular dating, she just had a thing for older men.

[PghGuy2005]

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

What is a man to do?

Had 3 FC during first meeting.

First turned out to be a pro even though nothing came up when I searched for her phone#. Second was a nice lady just a little too much in the middle may still meet her occasionally. Third was big! Should stay away from those "few extra pounds"!

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

[JZLizard]

JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt)

Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.

[Dsprdo]

I have gone back and forth on this and have had success (and failure) both ways. I find a lot of times if I ask them for their expectations I don't get a straight answer, and when I do it's ridiculous. At that point it's difficult to get her down off the limb to a sane amount. If they don't give me a number then I throw mine out, if its not in her range I politely disengage. I have had a couple re-think things after that and come back to my number.

Currently I am throwing out my number in the first letter up front. I have a good regular SB, so there's no sense of urgency on my part to add another, so I"m saving time and effort by getting that on the table off the bat. I have had a pretty good response rate to my number lately (which is 120), with good quality.

I think the other part of the question was sugar for the M&G, and I never, ever do that. I declined to give a 22 year old, petite, white, self identified "little" $80 for a M&G a couple of weeks ago because she said no play on the first date. I did break a rule recently and give some sugar to a girl on our second date which included a good kissing / petting session but no sex. Normally I would never do that but she is 25, white, spinner body, great personality, great kisser, lives close, has a car and a job, 7/8/9/ and I see her as potential long term ATF material. We are going on our third date soon and she knows I expect the next level. If that happens it was a good investment, if not, hey, sometimes you have to speculate.

[HollywoodGuy]

One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.

I don't think I have too many confidence issues, especially in the FC. I just don't like too much mystery. And a one time bang with a hottie is cool, but I like to put my cards on the table. I would rather offer a $ for a HJ and then work my magic in the FC to get what I really want. And I usually do. But even if I don't there are no hard feelings afterward. And I still get to play with a naked girl, lol.

[FredMoore]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Most of the experiences I have had --and I've had a few, have worked out better if you know what to expect up front. In fact, I have a negotiation going right now as we speak. She stated that she wants to know up front what her allowance is. So I will let you know how it works out. Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.

I find the simple statement "what is your expectation for an allowance? " works fine. A lot will come back "well what do you pay? " I then tell them my low number. Usually they will then give their high number. So you know somewhere in between you have a deal. When you meet you have the hard part worked out and you can just have fun.

One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.

[IluvSmellyFish]

It depends, lots of folks prefer email. I prefer not bringing it up until the m&g or until after the m&g. In my humble opinion, a lady is much more likely to be open to a reasonable allowance if you have chemistry and she likes you. So for example, if a pot wanted an allowance of $5000 a month, and you send her an email telling her that you're willing to give her an allowance of $100 per date, its possible you never get to the m&g.

On the other hand, I've found that if you get to the m&g, have chemistry, make a pot laugh, and turn up the charm, a young lady is much more likely to be willing to accept an allowance that she wouldn't have otherwise considered.

If they can see themselves dating you outside of SA, you treat a pot respectfully, can make them laugh and turn up the charm, a lot of the ladies I have been able to seal the deal with probably see the sugar as a nice extra.

I've also messaged more than my fair share of ladies who required the allowance discussion via email or text prior to the m&g. In each case, I never made it to the m&g because the difference in expectations was too far apart. On the other hand I am batting about 60 - 70 on my ratio of m&g to the FC.

I'm sure there are a variety of different factors involved, but based on my experience, once a lady meets you, realizes that you're not a total creep, it makes it much easier to take things to the next level.

That all being said, establishing expectations up front saves money on the m&g, while also saving time and effort.

I guess its really a matter of preference and style.

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

[JZLizard]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.