"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

I tend to "date" my sbs as well. Definitely not cost effective as the costs associated with me playing in the bowl are well over double what HWG reports paying with probably about a third as many trips to the FC.

My style is different than JeezLizard though because I prefer to discuss expectations at the m&g or after, and almost always before the FC.

Also to clarify, I never provide an allowance for a simple m&g. If I like a girl, there will be times when I give her a small token gift to cover expenses associated with travel.

I am no brad pitt either, but on the other hand am relatively fit and have been told I am easy on the eyes. Being under 40 doesn't hurt either.

Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.

[HollywoodGuy]

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

Hang in there dude. You can always keep looking while you are calling the pros. I strongly suggest you put out your donation amount asap. You may catch some low hanging fruit at first and then work your way up.

[Dsprdo]

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

Is this your preferred age range? Typically women in the 30 something range seem to have a higher demand. There has been some speculation on here as to the psychology of that, maybe its as simple as they are in a place in their lives where $100 is just not going to make as much of a difference as it does for a 22 year old. My sweet spot has been 21-25. I had one long thing with a 30 year old for $200 a week but it was really much closer to regular dating, she just had a thing for older men.

[PghGuy2005]

25 yr AA single mother - 7 from pictures wants $500-700 for adult fun. What's with the range?

34 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

44 yr White divorcee with children - 8 from pics $300.

34 yr White divorcee no children - 7 from pics $800 for twice a month.

What is a man to do?

Had 3 FC during first meeting.

First turned out to be a pro even though nothing came up when I searched for her phone#. Second was a nice lady just a little too much in the middle may still meet her occasionally. Third was big! Should stay away from those "few extra pounds"!

Oh well if nothing turns up before my membership expires then I guess it is back to escorting.

[JZLizard]

JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt)

Yes perhaps on unique for this forum, definite no on looking like Brad Pitt.

What's unique about my situation is that I typically take them on an actual date first, which helps get them in the mood a bit. It's not the most cost effective method, but it works. I'm not yet 60 and may not be able to pull off the same level of success with 20 year olds when I am, but doing so with 30-35 year olds at age 60+ is perfectly feasible and some of those are the best fucks anyway.

I think part of my success is I know my strengths and limitations and work each to their best advantage. When I'm 60, if I still want to fuck 20 year olds then I'm probably going to be limited to UTRs and such. I pick and choose the POTs that I'm willing to actually M&G with very carefully. My methods would not work in bulk. Quality over quantity.

But to be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting my methods will work for everyone. Just one man's experiences. I always try to disclose that I do not do this full-time, so when I do it, I budget for full-on dating in order to make the most of my limited time away from the SO.

[Dsprdo]

I have gone back and forth on this and have had success (and failure) both ways. I find a lot of times if I ask them for their expectations I don't get a straight answer, and when I do it's ridiculous. At that point it's difficult to get her down off the limb to a sane amount. If they don't give me a number then I throw mine out, if its not in her range I politely disengage. I have had a couple re-think things after that and come back to my number.

Currently I am throwing out my number in the first letter up front. I have a good regular SB, so there's no sense of urgency on my part to add another, so I"m saving time and effort by getting that on the table off the bat. I have had a pretty good response rate to my number lately (which is 120), with good quality.

I think the other part of the question was sugar for the M&G, and I never, ever do that. I declined to give a 22 year old, petite, white, self identified "little" $80 for a M&G a couple of weeks ago because she said no play on the first date. I did break a rule recently and give some sugar to a girl on our second date which included a good kissing / petting session but no sex. Normally I would never do that but she is 25, white, spinner body, great personality, great kisser, lives close, has a car and a job, 7/8/9/ and I see her as potential long term ATF material. We are going on our third date soon and she knows I expect the next level. If that happens it was a good investment, if not, hey, sometimes you have to speculate.

[HollywoodGuy]

One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.

I don't think I have too many confidence issues, especially in the FC. I just don't like too much mystery. And a one time bang with a hottie is cool, but I like to put my cards on the table. I would rather offer a $ for a HJ and then work my magic in the FC to get what I really want. And I usually do. But even if I don't there are no hard feelings afterward. And I still get to play with a naked girl, lol.

[FredMoore]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

JL is unique and must be date worthy for these babies (picture brad Pitt) Most of the experiences I have had --and I've had a few, have worked out better if you know what to expect up front. In fact, I have a negotiation going right now as we speak. She stated that she wants to know up front what her allowance is. So I will let you know how it works out. Unless you are an uber generous tipper, and I mean $300 up per visit, you run the risk of having a pissed off or disappointed Baby. My ATF 19 yr old is a case in point. We never discussed money. She came to my apartment and we ended up having the most energetic sex of my career. I dropped $200 in her purse and took her home. When I called her for a 2nd date she said her goal was $800 for her years books for school. I explained that 3 more times together and she had it banked, but she did not see it that way. Words were exchanged -tightwad and asshole featured prominently in the tirade. You do not want an angry girl hunting you down. So get it straight up front. The good news is I got to bang an incredibly hot girl who would never have come for $$ had she known in advance.

I find the simple statement "what is your expectation for an allowance? " works fine. A lot will come back "well what do you pay? " I then tell them my low number. Usually they will then give their high number. So you know somewhere in between you have a deal. When you meet you have the hard part worked out and you can just have fun.

One good thing about meeting first is, if you are extremely appealing to her, she will think that the lower price is worth banging you.

[IluvSmellyFish]

It depends, lots of folks prefer email. I prefer not bringing it up until the m&g or until after the m&g. In my humble opinion, a lady is much more likely to be open to a reasonable allowance if you have chemistry and she likes you. So for example, if a pot wanted an allowance of $5000 a month, and you send her an email telling her that you're willing to give her an allowance of $100 per date, its possible you never get to the m&g.

On the other hand, I've found that if you get to the m&g, have chemistry, make a pot laugh, and turn up the charm, a young lady is much more likely to be willing to accept an allowance that she wouldn't have otherwise considered.

If they can see themselves dating you outside of SA, you treat a pot respectfully, can make them laugh and turn up the charm, a lot of the ladies I have been able to seal the deal with probably see the sugar as a nice extra.

I've also messaged more than my fair share of ladies who required the allowance discussion via email or text prior to the m&g. In each case, I never made it to the m&g because the difference in expectations was too far apart. On the other hand I am batting about 60 - 70 on my ratio of m&g to the FC.

I'm sure there are a variety of different factors involved, but based on my experience, once a lady meets you, realizes that you're not a total creep, it makes it much easier to take things to the next level.

That all being said, establishing expectations up front saves money on the m&g, while also saving time and effort.

I guess its really a matter of preference and style.

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

[JZLizard]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

The girls I've known never bring it up. The few times I've brought it up before the deed was done, it ended up working to my disadvantage. I just gift them after the deed is done.

[PghGuy2005]

I may be doing my first one soon. I cannot imagine haggling in person but how have you guys handled it when the SB brings it up?

Email is better just like HollywoodGuy is doing.

[IluvSmellyFish]

I generally only use email or text. I've experienced the same. The upside is that by not using the site, you are more likely to get direct contact info. If you use the private pic feature, then you're beholden to the monthly membership fee if you want to keep communicating with a pot and your membership expires.

Not a huge expense, but if you're juggling multiple sbs in a rotation, every few dollars count. Or at least that's my perspective. One month of SA or an extra bottle of wine at dinner with your favorite SB or a pot you're trying to get to the FC?

I've also found that getting personal contact info often yields valuable Intel, like if a pot has a Facebook page or Twitter account where she is ranting about how her last daddy was a jerk and how she is going to post his pics on her fb page. Yes, I actually found that Intel after getting an email address...needless to say, I went dark and did not respond to her requests for my pictures after finding out that info.

As for missed opportunities. There are new pots joining all the sites every day, if one or two won't comply with the rules you establish, there are five more that will join tomorrow who will.

I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.

If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.

Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?

[IluvSmellyFish]

It's a sugar daddy / sugar baby website. There are a few of them. Some members of the forum use it, some use others. A quick read of the forum will help identify which sites various forum members like over others. Based on exchanges, it sounds like some sites are better, or worse, depending on your particular location.

Someone help me out not new but what is SA? Have not been on here much lately do to moving out of state.

[Falar]

I'm getting some request from SB's requesting a photo immediately. Now my practice as of right now is the email system.

If they request the photo, I simply ask for an email. But I think I may have lost a few potentials due to this method. I was.

Thinking about upload loading a photo and place it private. Maybe this would help, what method are you guys currently using?

[HollywoodGuy]

I am not patting myself on the back, because I don't need to. LOL. But that 4 step messaging system I started using is amazing. Each message dovetails perfectly to the next one. The biggest problem is holding back. On the time between messages that is. To avoid suspicion that's its a copy and paste. Of course I make slight modifications depending on the reply. And you can modify the donation amounts to suit your needs. But this thing works like a charm. No bull. I won't bore you with the number of acceptance letters I am getting at a $. And mostly they are 7's. So crank it up to $.5 to get an 8 and $$ to get a 9. I even encourage seniors to try this as it is a huge time saver.