"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Not only do I agree. (a lot of girls I have been messaging have been telling me that they are sick and tired of pay to play messages) but worst case scenario, you get a nasty response back, or no response at all.

Based on my experience, if you are respectful in your initial contact, most girls will either just ignore you or give you a "sorry but not interested" type of response back. Even when, you don't meet their stated profile preferences.

Occasionally there will be a nasty person, but by far, at least to date, I've had far more experiences that have been positive that outweigh the negative, where a lady is willing to overlook something that they otherwise list as their ideal.

It makes sense since most are hunting white whales, but in the interim, while they are waiting, I am something that they are happy with to keep them from going hungry. I am happy with that arrangement since it helps me to ensure variety in my diet at well!

I find the only insult to any girl in a P2P offer is that I just didn't offer enough. I once hung out (just hung out) for a week (no cost, she even paid for her own food) with an 18 year old from a particular European country. It said in her profile that she was a virgin. Not only was she an admitted nympho, she was just hoping to find some guy to pay some crazy amount of sugar (which she was willing to bang for). In the end she went off the site, moved back to her parents and just kept banging guys her own ethnicity and age.

I never pay any attention to what they say in the profile as far as the sex goes. Every girl wants it with the right guy. And every girl will do it with the wrong guy for the right price. End of story.

[JZLizard]

A possible alternative explanation based on a recent experience: it might be something they're using to reduce the number of overly agressive / creepy messages they get.

This. Plenty of girls say they don't when they do. There are a number of reasons they might say they don't:

1. They are a true SB and do not want to be contacted by folks looking for quick UTR hookups.

2. They want to make themselves a less likely mark for any type of LE snooping.

3. They need to uphold the façade they are only "companionship providers" in case someone they know outside the sugar-world recognizes their profile.

4. Reduction in volume of creep responses.

It's all up for negotiation one way or another anyway, this is where refining our game comes in handy.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Not only do I agree. (a lot of girls I have been messaging have been telling me that they are sick and tired of pay to play messages) but worst case scenario, you get a nasty response back, or no response at all.

Based on my experience, if you are respectful in your initial contact, most girls will either just ignore you or give you a "sorry but not interested" type of response back. Even when, you don't meet their stated profile preferences.

Occasionally there will be a nasty person, but by far, at least to date, I've had far more experiences that have been positive that outweigh the negative, where a lady is willing to overlook something that they otherwise list as their ideal.

It makes sense since most are hunting white whales, but in the interim, while they are waiting, I am something that they are happy with to keep them from going hungry. I am happy with that arrangement since it helps me to ensure variety in my diet at well!

A possible alternative explanation based on a recent experience: it might be something they're using to reduce the number of overly agressive / creepy messages they get. A while back, I messaged one with a similar note on her profile. She was pretty much perfect for me in every way, except for the "no sex" thing. So I told her exactly that, and to my surprise got back a reply saying that she only had it on her profile as a way of screening out "creepy people" and was actually fine with it.

[Orbits]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

" I am looking for a sugar daddy / sugar mommy that would be interested in companionship (nothing sexual) just time spent talking, going out to dinner / movies / bowling".

" but sorry boys I have a no sex policy".

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

" Looking for friendships / platonic relationships. I'm new to the site so I guess I'll see where this takes me! ".

"College student seeking platonic relationship".

"NO sexual favors will be given! If you're looking for a sexual partner please leave my page! I'm simply looking to make friends and enjoy their company. ".

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

A possible alternative explanation based on a recent experience: it might be something they're using to reduce the number of overly agressive / creepy messages they get. A while back, I messaged one with a similar note on her profile. She was pretty much perfect for me in every way, except for the "no sex" thing. So I told her exactly that, and to my surprise got back a reply saying that she only had it on her profile as a way of screening out "creepy people" and was actually fine with it.

[HollywoodGuy]

Got my first M&G off SA. A plain looking fair skinned latina. 24 5'4" about 120. A girl you wouldn't even notice on the street. A sorta HYM that lives with her mom. Probably hasnt had any in a while.

Even though I already set up the M&G with this girl I was still a little unsure due to her being about a 6/7. And as there are just too many girls to meet I am still talking to her to see if she is my type emotionally.

ME: I,m a pretty simple guy. I'm just looking for a baby girl that wants to please her daddy. Is that you babe? Do you know how to do that, or am I going to have to teach you?

HER: You're going to have to teach me.

Done deal. You might think its better to get someone with porn star skills. But maybe a porn star just does what she thinks she's supposed to do, unaware of whether you like it or not. Sometimes I would rather have a humble newbie with raw talent that only knows and does what I tell her. And does she (have the talent that is) ? Thats what I,m gonna find out.

ME: Thats ok baby... I like doing that. especially for a sweet girl like you. and if you are a little shy thats ok too. so dont worry.. ok?

HER: Ok. (Smiling face with smiling eyes) Thank you.

ME: Say "thank you daddy"

HER: Thank you daddy!

Does all this guarantee anything? No, but I am encouraged.

[Grumpyinva]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

Fred, there were all good comments about unrealistic expectations, but, to be fair, this one line here, of the many you presented, is the type I'd still contact. The fact is, most SBs, especially if you're not throwing out the big bucks, do want some chemistry. You might not fit their ideal boyfriend image, but these aren't always pros. The interesting ones really do want to get to know you, even if it's only for an hour or two, before they wind up heading to a hotel with you. Some of them insist that it won't be before the second date, and I'm fine with that, as long as they don't expect compensation just for being taken to dinner. So, yes, I'd ignore all of the others, but this one understands what it's about, and is willing to go there. She just isn't willing to imply any commitment to follow-thru for dinner / drinks, if she doesn't feel comfortable.

I spent a very nice evening recently with a SB who first contacted me that same night, and we went to one of her favorite places, hung out for several pleasant hours, and had a comfortable, vanilla date, around people who knew her, with no thought of compensation apart from some really inexpensive food and darts. At the end of the date, she made it clear that our next meeting would involve private time, if I was interested in seeing her again. We discussed the budgetary considerations, parted on good terms, and she has remained responsive and warm while we're setting up the next plans. Although her profile didn't include the above line, it very well could have. She wasn't looking for Harrison Ford, but she did want to feel comfortable before suggesting anything else could happen. Nothing wrong with that.

The others, however, are nuts.

[HollywoodGuy]

So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.

Also, set your M&G's to able to go straight to the FC. As most of them will. I,ve had M&G's that lasted a whole 5 minutes or I just pick them up as many have no ride. If they check out then straight to the FC. Time is money. Yours and theirs.

Got my first M&G off SA. A plain looking fair skinned latina. 24 5'4" about 120. A girl you wouldn't even notice on the street. A sorta HYM that lives with her mom. Probably hasnt had any in a while. Have another M&G with a 19 AA also average looking but with luscious lips and she is pretty slender from the waist up. I normally wouldn't have been interested except she says she is very very submissive and wants to be a good girl for daddy. Which is really my favorite type and almost all I date anymore.

[HollywoodGuy]

So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.

Just bad luck. In my experience they are the most reliable and the most willing to please.

[FyrGuy33]

So, inspired by Hollywood Guy, I have spent this month chasing down young black girls on SA and CL. Much to my dismay, ALL of them have flaked on me. Two of them waited until the day of the trip to the FC. Total of 6 made it to the m&g, with 4 going silent after that. And they all greed to meet again. This is a very high percentage for me. So, my question for HG is are the young black girls more apt to do this or did I just hit the flake homerun? I gave it a try, but I am not sure if I want to continue to pursue them anymore. I might just fall back on my little Asian baby and my regular MILF.

[FyrGuy33]

Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?

Having been a traveling sales rep for 37 years, my experience has been that all the major hotels require you to show picture I'd these days. There are still some inexpensive motels that still do not require any I'd so you can put anything you want on the registration.

[HollywoodGuy]

So I messaged 35 out of about 680 total 18 year old girls within 50 miles of my house. Only the ones that have been online within the last week and that looked interesting to me. Nary a black girl in the mix, a few mixed girls, and all the rest white. And I skipped a few super GPS girls. There is a totally different vibe on SA and less obvious UTR and pro girls than SD4M. I am just saying something very simple like " after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at XXX. Just lmk its you by your profile name".

We'll see how that goes.

[Rdudreaming]

Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?

Have her get the room.

Yes, assuming that she has a credit card, nothing to hide, and that you trust her.

[PghGuy2005]

Is it possible to not give your name or use an alias?

[HollywoodGuy]

I think we can all agree that every possible experience is out there. And there is no reason not to hit up obvious GPS girls (it could be your luck day depending on their mood). Just don't waste time on lengthy negotiations. And don't get razzled when some girl slams you for being cheap, an asshole, dirty or not being a real SD. On another thread a guy was joyously relating his 2K weekend date. Not a weekly occurrence I'm sure. And other guys are getting some freebees here and there and acting like they won the lottery.

We are all blessed in the new year to have such good fortune at our feet. The stuff most guys could never imagine, will never experience., and can't begin to understand.

[IluvSmellyFish]

These are the kinds of gems that I am mining for. It shows that there are quality ladies out there that are interested in meeting a reliable, good, guy, who can show them a thing or two in the bedroom.

Over the long haul, girls like this make out better since it provides a reliable allowance with safe decent guy, who is in it for the long haul, rather than a quick pump and dump for a higher one time allowance.

While there is much truth to this statement, there are the exceptions. Last summer I met a 20 why / o Asian co-ed who lives the next town over from me. Just for the record, I am 59. We get together usually during the day as it's easier for her in that she doesn't have to explain where she has been when she gets home to Mom and Dad. I am retired and the Warden is still working, so that is the same for me. Our dates usually consist of about 3 hours in the FC, usually 3 loads are delivered. Yes, she is a little nympho. Now, the reason she is fucking an old geezer like me is that the guys her age, so she tells me, do not know how to satisfy a woman's needs at all. She is at that stage where she is deeply into exploring her sexuality and loves to try new things. Yes, I am a very lucky man. She has a yearning to try almost anything she see's in porn. Her first attempt at anal did not go well with a boyfriend 2 years ago. He had no idea how to prepare her for that. Daddy, on the other hand, had her loving it. She also never had DATY performed on her with such expertise and enthusiasm. This is pretty typical of the young girls. So if you have any skill at that, they will fall in love with you. Being that she is old school Asian, she is quite submissive and always goes the extra mileage to please. She is also getting very good with eye contact. Each date with her gets better and better. Twice now she has hopped on be BB. She found she like the taste of her pussy on my dick, but doesn't like the taste of latex. I have let her control when it will be BB and only allow her to do that because I was snipped 25 years ago so I know I won't be her Baby Daddy. And all this for $150/ date. She was a SA find. We had a m&g date for lunch then the next one was straight to the FC. And there was no sugar for the m&g, just lunch.

I wish they were all this easy to find. She happens to be a rare gem in that she doesn't go silent, can actually communicate via text in a timely fashion, and can actually tell time. She shows when we agree to meet without all the usual young girl horseshit.

So, keep at it guys. There are some good ones to be had. But, let the GPS and Nando's know that is exactly what they are and we know it.

Safe hobbying to all.