"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Bowtie]

Not as fortunate as FG, however one of my early on baby finds is a 20 yo tall spinner, tiny little thing. Still working to get to open up but like FG's young thing, guys her generation just didn't get it done for her. I nearly poisoned the well with several $ m&g's so we were on the same page, but I'm ok with that. I want the emotional connection, then the physical will always be better. Seeing her almost a year now, $20 to $70 depending on other costs. Too many hobbies, not enough time.

While there is much truth to this statement, there are the exceptions. Last summer I met a 20 why / o Asian co-ed who lives the next town over from me. Just for the record, I am 59. We get together usually during the day as it's easier for her in that she doesn't have to explain where she has been when she gets home to Mom and Dad. I am retired and the Warden is still working, so that is the same for me. Our dates usually consist of about 3 hours in the FC, usually 3 loads are delivered. Yes, she is a little nympho. Now, the reason she is fucking an old geezer like me is that the guys her age, so she tells me, do not know how to satisfy a woman's needs at all. She is at that stage where she is deeply into exploring her sexuality and loves to try new things. Yes, I am a very lucky man. She has a yearning to try almost anything she see's in porn. Her first attempt at anal did not go well with a boyfriend 2 years ago. He had no idea how to prepare her for that. Daddy, on the other hand, had her loving it. She also never had DATY performed on her with such expertise and enthusiasm. This is pretty typical of the young girls. So if you have any skill at that, they will fall in love with you. Being that she is old school Asian, she is quite submissive and always goes the extra mileage to please. She is also getting very good with eye contact. Each date with her gets better and better. Twice now she has hopped on be BB. She found she like the taste of her pussy on my dick, but doesn't like the taste of latex. I have let her control when it will be BB and only allow her to do that because I was snipped 25 years ago so I know I won't be her Baby Daddy. And all this for $150/ date. She was a SA find. We had a m&g date for lunch then the next one was straight to the FC. And there was no sugar for the m&g, just lunch.

I wish they were all this easy to find. She happens to be a rare gem in that she doesn't go silent, can actually communicate via text in a timely fashion, and can actually tell time. She shows when we agree to meet without all the usual young girl horseshit.

So, keep at it guys. There are some good ones to be had. But, let the GPS and Nando's know that is exactly what they are and we know it.

Safe hobbying to all.

[LandonR]

Two M&G's tonight to report.

First date from about 5:30 - 6:30 pm. Met for drinks at a local restaurant. 23 year old who recently got out of a relationship with her baby daddy. Kid who is almost 2 years old. This one looked MUCH better than her pictures. Claims that she has been out to dinner 5 x with a guy that she's met from the site. Also claims that she was in an arrangement with a guy who flew her our to visit him 3 times. She's pretty good looking, but not hot enough that I would see a guy flying her out. My latest line is that "I am on the site because I'm looking for someone who enjoys my lifestyle. I'm not looking for an escort type of experience" I made it clear that I wasn't interested in paying for sex, but I would be able to help out financially on occasion. She had to end the date to get back to her kid, but send a follow up text and invited me to her apartment next week. Looks promising.

Second date from about 7:30 - 8:30 pm. Met at a different bar for drinks. 20 years old. Looked and acted a bit like a young Hillary Clinton. Pretty plain looking but if done up nicely might be someone sexy. Very strong willed, feminist type girl. Claims to have had a arrangement for 2 years. Not sure we vibed good, but could be a nice backup option one night.

The search continues.

[FyrGuy33]

While there is much truth to this statement, there are the exceptions. Last summer I met a 20 why / o Asian co-ed who lives the next town over from me. Just for the record, I am 59. We get together usually during the day as it's easier for her in that she doesn't have to explain where she has been when she gets home to Mom and Dad. I am retired and the Warden is still working, so that is the same for me. Our dates usually consist of about 3 hours in the FC, usually 3 loads are delivered. Yes, she is a little nympho. Now, the reason she is fucking an old geezer like me is that the guys her age, so she tells me, do not know how to satisfy a woman's needs at all. She is at that stage where she is deeply into exploring her sexuality and loves to try new things. Yes, I am a very lucky man. She has a yearning to try almost anything she see's in porn. Her first attempt at anal did not go well with a boyfriend 2 years ago. He had no idea how to prepare her for that. Daddy, on the other hand, had her loving it. She also never had DATY performed on her with such expertise and enthusiasm. This is pretty typical of the young girls. So if you have any skill at that, they will fall in love with you. Being that she is old school Asian, she is quite submissive and always goes the extra mileage to please. She is also getting very good with eye contact. Each date with her gets better and better. Twice now she has hopped on be BB. She found she like the taste of her pussy on my dick, but doesn't like the taste of latex. I have let her control when it will be BB and only allow her to do that because I was snipped 25 years ago so I know I won't be her Baby Daddy. And all this for $150/ date. She was a SA find. We had a m&g date for lunch then the next one was straight to the FC. And there was no sugar for the m&g, just lunch.

I wish they were all this easy to find. She happens to be a rare gem in that she doesn't go silent, can actually communicate via text in a timely fashion, and can actually tell time. She shows when we agree to meet without all the usual young girl horseshit.

So, keep at it guys. There are some good ones to be had. But, let the GPS and Nando's know that is exactly what they are and we know it.

Safe hobbying to all.

[FotoGuy1970]

For the no sex profiles I don't even bother. I'm willing to be that 50% of them could be had if you put the effort into it and were willing to go out on three dates with them with no sex, but there are just too many women out there who DO understand that sex is a given in a SB relationship to waste my time. For the girls who've hit me with a GPS number I just politely say that's more than I had in mind and move on. Several have come back and said "well, what were you thinking?" but I generally don't put too much effort in a girl who starts way high because I figure she's going to be resentful at some point because she's not getting her "due".

I've also stopped reading a profile as soon as I see "no sex", "platonic only", etc. I don't even bother trying to contact them. It will just waste my time more than likely, why should I waste my time pursuing someone that is dismissive of the arrangement I'm seeking when there's a selection of other girls who do realize that intimacy is expected.

And along those lines, I've stopped trying to talk down a girl who comes in with GPS numbers. I wish them well and tell them to keep me in mind if they should reconsider. So far, none of the GPS girls I've spoken to have. There's a few in my local area that I spoke to a while back that gave me very high allowance figures and I still see them on the site pretty much daily. Don't know if any of them ever find guys who are paying what they're asking for, I seriously doubt it. Yet these GPS girls keep logging in and don't seem to have lowered their financial expectations any in the year or more since I spoke to them.

[Dsprdo]

I think all of those theories may be true in some cases but I think the majority time it's the last. They hear a story or see one of the women on Dr. Phil, who looks very ordinary, and they think "I'm much hotter than her-why not me?

For the no sex profiles I don't even bother. I'm willing to be that 50% of them could be had if you put the effort into it and were willing to go out on three dates with them with no sex, but there are just too many women out there who DO understand that sex is a given in a SB relationship to waste my time. For the girls who've hit me with a GPS number I just politely say that's more than I had in mind and move on. Several have come back and said "well, what were you thinking?" but I generally don't put too much effort in a girl who starts way high because I figure she's going to be resentful at some point because she's not getting her "due".

[FredMoore]

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

Good point RM. They can get their cake and eat it too. A Pot I am courting said that most guys hit her upfront with the pay for play demand, which I have been doing also with little success of late. They do not see themselves as sex workers so they have to give that disclaimer right away. Perhaps I will preemptively state no sex the first date, until we get to know each other (2nd date) . I would have a hard time forking out any money for a M&G or platonic date. So here is a beginning list of reasons for this phenomenon (sexless SBs) . Feel free to expand on this. Knowledge is power.

1) gay cover (per Hollywood).

2) Plausible deniability (Rubbery Man).

3) Discourage John activity--the blatant drop by for $ contact.

4) unrealistic expectations.

This deserves comment. Girls read SA, the Blogs, and hear about the unicorn where an SB gets $4000 / month for going to The Ritz to wine and dine with nary a kiss on the cheek at the end of the day. This happens I'm sure but so does the Lotto strike. Face it, as much as most of us think we are studs in the Bedroom and that girls should pay us for the privilege, the reality is that a 20 yr old girl probably can live without fucking a geezer. Therefore they probably feel that we should be grateful to be seen with a HYG. One of the brothers wrote earlier that a Pot told him she got X from her prior Daddy when he offered 1/4 X. So the bar was set too high from the get go poisoning the well.

[FyrGuy33]

Luckily, only one or two appearing here.

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

So, my very limited exposure (1) went this way: I viewed her profile, saw the word "platonic" and clicked no more. A few days later, she messages me. I ask how she's found the site, and admitted that she has had little attention. I say that maybe she might get a platonic SD, but that with so many other really attractive women offering overnight stays for $$ she would have to work hard to find someone. I wished her well, and hoped she would not think badly about men, but when the full buffet is on offer, only being allowed to look at food is not a good deal.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

Excellent reply. I have been quite amused at the number of profiles that state "No Sex". When I read that I stop reading and move on.

[RubberyMan]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

" I am looking for a sugar daddy / sugar mommy that would be interested in companionship (nothing sexual) just time spent talking, going out to dinner / movies / bowling".

" but sorry boys I have a no sex policy".

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

" Looking for friendships / platonic relationships. I'm new to the site so I guess I'll see where this takes me! ".

"College student seeking platonic relationship".

"NO sexual favors will be given! If you're looking for a sexual partner please leave my page! I'm simply looking to make friends and enjoy their company. ".

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

Luckily, only one or two appearing here.

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

So, my very limited exposure (1) went this way: I viewed her profile, saw the word "platonic" and clicked no more. A few days later, she messages me. I ask how she's found the site, and admitted that she has had little attention. I say that maybe she might get a platonic SD, but that with so many other really attractive women offering overnight stays for $$ she would have to work hard to find someone. I wished her well, and hoped she would not think badly about men, but when the full buffet is on offer, only being allowed to look at food is not a good deal.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

[Madaboutmax]

I avoid discussing before and that usually works out, but there is definitely a trend towards high $ expectations and no intimacy.

There are apparently adverts, youtube videos and talk shows talking up the lifestyle. Most indicate lots of $'s for looking pretty at a dinner with a multi-millionaire.

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

[HollywoodGuy]

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

These girls are just dreaming. They all know a girl or heard about a girl that cashed in. Its like seeing a lottery winner in the paper. One thing I have noticed about SA is that the overall complexion of the ladies is a few shades lighter than SD4 M.

[FredMoore]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

" I am looking for a sugar daddy / sugar mommy that would be interested in companionship (nothing sexual) just time spent talking, going out to dinner / movies / bowling".

" but sorry boys I have a no sex policy".

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

" Looking for friendships / platonic relationships. I'm new to the site so I guess I'll see where this takes me! ".

"College student seeking platonic relationship".

"NO sexual favors will be given! If you're looking for a sexual partner please leave my page! I'm simply looking to make friends and enjoy their company. ".

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

[HollywoodGuy]

I was just pondering whether to get an SA account when I saw this on their home page.

"8 Sugar Babies Per Sugar Daddy".

I would think that would put some of these girls in their place.

Lets change that to just joined. Did the month just to check it out. So far most of the girls that are on both are UTR. I am gonna start by sending $ offers to some likely prospects that should be within my reach. Not gonna start really reaching until I get acquainted with the site. Its much slower to navigate than SD4M. And I already see some stunning sisters.

[LandonR]

No worries. Also, one last tip based on my experience, even if I trust an sb, I still won't book the hotel in advance.

There are too many variables. An sb might have a last minute thing come up, weather events that make it hard for them to drive, sick kid, the list goes on. Besides, hotels tend to be clustered in locations. If one hotel is booked or won't do early checkin, then just book another hotel last minute that is 10 minutes away.

Remember the pot / sb might like you, otherwise she wouldn't be showing up, but she is there for the sugar. A last minute switch in plans that might make her drive an extra 10 - 15 minutes is a minor inconvenience for her, but on the other hand, dropping $75 - $200 for a room that is going to be unused, hits your budget pretty badly.

Solid advice here. Within in the last few weeks I've had POT's flake for one reason or another with the following excuses.

* Got stuck at work working on a project (cancelled 1 hour before a drinks and an assumed trip to the hotel FC).

* Had to go pick up her kid from the baby daddy's house.

* Best friend got in an accident (ya right).

* Friend had to goto the hospital (ya right).

* One POT who is a stripper flat out admitted she drank to much while working the pole and passed out before we were to meet.

Always remember that these girls are young, flaky, and well, women.

[PghGuy2005]

With an SB before M&G? Just had an M&G with an SB who had a full length picture taken in a nice house. All the communication was via text and I was excited when she asked me to come to her house. Turned out she lived in a not so nice house even though her picture was accurate. I expected her to be nice as the surroundings but she turned out to be not so nice like the real house. Rough hands etc.

Skype will be a good to tool to avoid surprises if the SB allows it.

[PghGuy2005]

Will a SB at the "moderate" <=5 k / month level expect more per date than one at "practical" <=3 k / month? Want to be prepared if and when the first date turns into FC.