"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences
Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

If we had not discussed it and someone asked me for $800, we would have an awkward discussion and they would leave unhappy with maybe $200. Sometimes I discuss sugar beforehand and sometimes I do not. If I get the feeling that they are going to have a wild amount like that in their head then I do. If I get the feeling that they are going to be okay with $120 or so (my sweet spot) and they don't bring it up, I don't either. I wait until we're saying goodbye and slip it in her purse or pocket. I have had one girl come back and say she needed more to keep going, I politely declined, and that was it. One other girl went radio silent after the first date, may have been related to sugar amount or may have been lack of chemistry. Other than that I've never had an issue. I would say that 30% of the time we have not had a sugar discussion before-hand.

[HollywoodGuy]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

I only carry the amount of cash I am supposed to be spending. Kind of like going to a casino. Of course the ATM is always nearby. But its just an easy way to stay in check.

[PghGuy2005]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.

The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.

[IluvSmellyFish]

All my info is accurate, but not accurate enough to let an sb find me. I am also fortunate enough to have a real name that is so generic that a Google search, even in my profession pulls up hundreds of people.

Between a burner phone, a "throwaway" email account, and responding to their questions in such a way that let's them draw their own conclusions, it isn't necessary to hide anything. If an sb wants more, than she hasn't grasped the concept of what the site is about. That's when I tell them, politely of course, that if I was interested in traditional dating, I would be on match or eharmony. I also help them refocus on why they are on the site, by mentioing that if I was looking just to use a young lady without establishing a mutually beneficial relationship, I would be using the tinder app.

That normally helps the young lady I am interviewing refocus on why we are both there on the first place.

I have a made up life that is close to my life but not. My middle name is now my first name, my last name is close enough, my job is one I had about 10 years ago and know very well, my personal life is close but I never discuss the wife or kids. I have a facebook page for my new name and even a few friends on it. Amazing how some woman will just accept friends and than others are ex sb. So far so good. BTW. I am on SB 22 and 23. 6 were long term and two along the way wanted me to leave my wife.

Next week I quit. My job in a far away city is ending and I am going home. Where it is too risky. Plan for next week is SB 22 and SB 23, followed by new SB24 and SB25! Then celibacy. Good luck guys!

[IluvSmellyFish]

No worries. Also, one last tip based on my experience, even if I trust an sb, I still won't book the hotel in advance.

There are too many variables. An sb might have a last minute thing come up, weather events that make it hard for them to drive, sick kid, the list goes on. Besides, hotels tend to be clustered in locations. If one hotel is booked or won't do early checkin, then just book another hotel last minute that is 10 minutes away.

Remember the pot / sb might like you, otherwise she wouldn't be showing up, but she is there for the sugar. A last minute switch in plans that might make her drive an extra 10 - 15 minutes is a minor inconvenience for her, but on the other hand, dropping $75 - $200 for a room that is going to be unused, hits your budget pretty badly.

That was very helpful info.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Agree with punter on this. There are about 10-20 new profiles every day within a 50 mile radius of the zip code I use to search. I can't imagine there anywhere close to that many guys enter the bowl every day. The more experienced brothers on the board have advised that it is a numbers game, and based on my limited experience, they are correct.

Besides, guys will get bored of an sb and move on. This creates constant churn. Long story short, you should be able to control the shots, so long as you either have enough game to close the deal, or enough funds. In either situation, you should maintain control. If a pot doesn't like it, then she can move on. But eventually her options will become limited.

You on the other hand, get to choose from the new crop of sbs that turn 18 every day.

Who is calling the shots here?

[PghGuy2005]

That was very helpful info.

Just Google Hotel app. Every major hotel booing site has an app from priceline, to expedia, to kayak.

Find the one you like the most in real life and use it.

I personally like priceline because the choose your own price feature. Some sites give you a free night for every ten that you book.

As for early check in, I just call ahead. Don't tell the hotel you are using a third party site. Just ask if early check in is available. I have yet to find any hotel that will guarantee early check in anytime other than right before you actually check in. Also late check out policies differ from hotel to hotel.

Finally if you travel a lot for work, then you should have points you can use, or at least be a gold or diamond or premier member of at least one or two chains. If you are, the hotel will be more accomodating with early check. Ins, late check out and room upgrades and perks.

And one final tip, if you don't have 100 % control of the finances and have an SO, than you may need to consider putting considerable sums of money on one of those Walmart visa credit card that can be reloaded.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Just Google Hotel app. Every major hotel booing site has an app from priceline, to expedia, to kayak.

Find the one you like the most in real life and use it.

I personally like priceline because the choose your own price feature. Some sites give you a free night for every ten that you book.

As for early check in, I just call ahead. Don't tell the hotel you are using a third party site. Just ask if early check in is available. I have yet to find any hotel that will guarantee early check in anytime other than right before you actually check in. Also late check out policies differ from hotel to hotel.

Finally if you travel a lot for work, then you should have points you can use, or at least be a gold or diamond or premier member of at least one or two chains. If you are, the hotel will be more accomodating with early check. Ins, late check out and room upgrades and perks.

And one final tip, if you don't have 100 % control of the finances and have an SO, than you may need to consider putting considerable sums of money on one of those Walmart visa credit card that can be reloaded.

Know of "Hotel Tonight" app. Any other apps / web sites for getting a room for the night?

Also how do I indicate early checkin needed during the booking assuming it is possible.

[PghGuy2005]

Know of "Hotel Tonight" app. Any other apps / web sites for getting a room for the night?

Also how do I indicate early checkin needed during the booking assuming it is possible.

[Mike7794]

I want keep to my SD-SB activities completely separate from my real life. Are SBs generally OK with not knowing who you really are?

I am willing to share my life details with an SB without revealing any personally identifying info. However will she create a scene? Accusing me of not trusting her etc.

I ask because in reply to my first message to her an SB said that she is not interested in a guy who cannot trust her. My profile only states that discretion is important!

I look at this site as if it is a business deal not a girlfriend. If I wanted a girlfriend I'd go to a dating site. One could say we are closing girlfriends on this site, but without the drama. IMO they don't deserve to know my personal life. If they cannot handle it, then no deal with me.

[Underloved Guy]

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[IluvSmellyFish]

After what happened with sb2, I am going to take jeezlizards advice and err on the side of caution. I haven't taken any pictures of the sbs I've been with and so would have to pull their pics from the site itself. After sb 2 threatented to post my pics publicaly (I don't have any up on the site but routinely email them to pots).

I am going to err on the side of caution here using Jeezlizards wisdom. Moving forward my posts will slighly change the description of each sb. And so even if I blurred their face, an sb would probably know immediately if I posted a pic from their profile even if the face was blurred.

I have no desire to have a pissed off sb post my pics publically on a website since my employer and my SO would almost certainly dissapprove. Burned once twice shy I guess. Besides because of my situation, posting pics of those I get to the FC is probably not the smartest move for me.

As for a quick interim update for the weekend. Of the three FC trips, two came through. The Friday FC trip was an afternoon lunch time special and the FC trip yesterday was a full on overnighter, and morning after session. The FC trip I had planned for Sunday afternoon with the gymnist got cancelled. Apparently she had to go home to deal with family issues. I thought it was TGTBT, but because she is hot, can host and is asking for such a small allowance per date, I will keep chasing this unicorn.

Of the three m&gs that were scheduled for this weekend, Friday night cancelled because of the weather, Sat morning cancelled because of all reasons, she claimed her dog was sick, but the Saturday afternoon m&g came through. She is young, and looks like she can be easily molded. Face is a 6 body is a 7. No plans for the fc yet, but I am interested in seeing where this goes. I complimented her on her shoes and her bag. According to her, they. Were extremely expensive because she paid almost $100 for both of them.

If that's her idea of expensive she will be thrilled with the allowance I am planning on giving her if she ever makes it to the FC with me. Time will tell.

More details in the end of month report.

Hi. Graham and Fish. Maybe you have a few pics of some of the below mentioned conquests to post? Faces can be obscured.

[HollywoodGuy]

Who is calling the shots here?

You call them and she pours them. Fair and Balanced.

[ThePunter7216]

I want keep to my SD-SB activities completely separate from my real life. Are SBs generally OK with not knowing who you really are?

I am willing to share my life details with an SB without revealing any personally identifying info. However will she create a scene? Accusing me of not trusting her etc.

I ask because in reply to my first message to her an SB said that she is not interested in a guy who cannot trust her. My profile only states that discretion is important!

Who is calling the shots here?

Your questions seem to indicate that you are rather unsure of yourself and how to respond to the SBs. Like any form of dating, confidence is important to a successful outcome with SBs. I would think less about what you "should" be doing and instead just get out there and talk to people and be upfront about what you want and how you feel. If you are not comfortable sharing any particular info about yourself, then don't share it! And if a POT has a problem with that, kick her to the curb! If you want to have relationships where you have to figure out which of the woman's request you need to follow then just go on a normal dating site because there is nothing unique about that.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hi. Graham and Fish. Maybe you have a few pics of some of the below mentioned conquests to post? Faces can be obscured.