"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

So I'm in canebay's camp. I tend to gravitate to girls that are in it for more than the money and who would probably be with me without the sugar. For them its more about the experience. The sugar at the end of the date is an extra plus.

Its been about three months since I've seen a high end escorts, and a year or two since I've been with a backpage girl. Something about knowing that I'm on the clock made it get to the point where I couldn't even get it up. I thought about medical help, but knew that it was more of a mental thing than a physical one. I moved onto high end escorts because I found a few services in my area that have ladies who offer true GFE experiences. At the end of the day though, if you end up meeting an SB and there is mutual attraction, it doesn't get much more GFE than that (IMHO).

I had a special thing with my favorite former SB 2 (the hot European). She never knew my real name for the six. Seven weeks we were together, but I knew she was in to me. After the first M&G, we had three dates / FC trips. I will have great memories because we genuinely liked each other. It was like being in the honeymoon period with a new girlfriend. Our messages and phone conversations always had me thinking about the next date. I'm sad to see her go.

I've also found that with the exception of my former SB 5 (trainer with wicked sense of humor), I haven't wanted to really meet any of the girls that leaned towards being a UTR type. There are a number of really good services in my area. If I wanted a hot young thing, who wanted $1,000 for a multi-hour date, I'll contact one of my services. It assures quality. I guess that's why its a bit of a turn off for me when a pot pushes allowance without ever meeting. From my perspective, if there is true chemistry, I'd be willing to up the allowance considerably. Hell, I'd consider giving a lady a $5,000 a month allowance if a young lady was smoking hot, completely discrete, had her own place, cooked me dinner, and most importantly had incredible chemistry with me emotionally, mentally, and physically.

And of course the flip side is also true. For example, my SB 1 got a little bit too attached and clearly wanted a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship. She pushed knowing more about me personally, and started talking about us in terms of a future. That isn't in the cards for me, so it had to end.

Long story short, if I got the impression that a girl was putting up a good front for the money, they wouldn't last in my rotation. The girls I could get from the services are much hotter than anyone I've seen on SA, are much better in bed, and can put up as good a front as any girl I've been with. Charm, charisma, wit, and general "game" don't really have much effect on a UTR whose solely in it to subsidize a certain lifestyle. Besides, I've found that half the fun of being in the bowl is playing the game.

That's my two cents.

This thread fascinates me. Kudos to you guys for keeping it interesting. I'm not really in a position to be a SD myself, but my imagination tells me the sex should be wonderful, passionate, and unrushed. Especially compared to sex with a typical escort, although there is some crossover with some girls. I even saw an escort recently who told me she had just gotten out of a long-term sugar daddy-baby relationship she had formed on a dedicated website. She was good, but I could still tell she was acting a bit. So, my question is this: Do you guys feel like the girls usually genuinely care about you, and genuinely enjoy and want your intimate company in the same way they would a boyfriend, or even some hot guy they bring home from a concert? Or do you feel like a lot of these girls are putting up a good front for the money, like one of the higher end escorts would? I'm just really curious to know your thoughts on that.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Ok. So I retract my last post. It was written in haste and frustration. Besides, I've benefited greatly from the advice on this board, and would have definitely gotten clobbered if I hadn't learned from those on this forum. Most importantly, if we stop posting advice and info and don't keep this thread going, the Trolls win. And we can't let that happen. That being said, I'll be much more careful about my posts.

Might need some help, some old broad that probably used to be hot and liked having men pay her bills has been trying to post a bunch of shit about you guys not being willing to pay these girls enough money. She likes to brag about how women in Richmond have infiltrated this forum (it's quite an accomplishment registering a user name on a public forum, their (her) hacking skilz are legendary) and are "on to your games."

If I miss one please don't respond to this troll, just report it.

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[Randytomcatt]

Yes. Fake name and address when you register the gift card. I have never had a problem.

Fake ssn as well?

[Wrong Again]

Might need some help, some old broad that probably used to be hot and liked having men pay her bills has been trying to post a bunch of shit about you guys not being willing to pay these girls enough money. She likes to brag about how women in Richmond have infiltrated this forum (it's quite an accomplishment registering a user name on a public forum, their (her) hacking skilz are legendary) and are "on to your games."

If I miss one please don't respond to this troll, just report it.

A2

Are all women old broads, when they are smarter than you, or is it easier just to delete all messages that make you look stupid and outwitted by a 20 something idiot?

Did you really just call yourself a "20 something idiot?"

That's the funniest shit I've seen all week.

Thanks,

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[PghGuy2005]

For those of us who have to be very discreet and hence cannot be seen in public with a woman other than the missus what are some of the places to do the first M&G?

Also what kind of SA membership do you guys usually buy? Monthly and extend it if a SB cannot be located by then?

[HollywoodGuy]

Being a little under the weather the last few days I took the time to reverse my initial come on strategy to emulate some of what I have read here. Go slow, don't talk about sugar until you can't avoid it, etc. It got me into a lot of long winded discussions and many emails going back and forth only to find that unless I was willing to BS a little that my $ donation was going nowhere. And these girls werent any better or worse looking than usual. In between I did send a few standard upfront type messages.

Here is a reply I got today. Very typical.

"LOL that was a long message but I like that you don't beat around the bush. Your upfront with what you want and I'm the same way. I think that we could definitely setup a good arrangement. And I never had anyone complain about my (blank) skills. I would like to meet sometime if your interested my number is (blank) you can shoot me a text if you'd like ".

A petite 23 year old white girl. Probably a 7 or so all around so far. I havent qualified anyone yet worth offering $$ to. Thats going to take a little time as they would have to be a hot, young, first timer. One thing I am not going to do is avoid the sugar discussion prior to a M&G. That would just be too much effort to possibly get shutdown.

[HollywoodGuy]

I think most SDs aren't looking for genuine caring or anything real. I love fucking 20 year olds but I wouldn't want one as a girlfriend, it would drive me crazy. 30 is about the minimum age where the maturity level I need in a relationship sets in.

But actual relationships have come out of these SD / SB arrangements before. I don't think its the norm.

I can only speak for myself, but all my SB's have to profess their undying love or devotion to me, promise to be a good girl and think my dick is a magic wand or I'm not even interested. Meaning by date 10. And while a 20 year old may not know much I would rather listen to them than to an older girl that thinks she knows what's best for me. But that's just me. The biggest problem with any older girl is that they are mostly set in their ways as opposed to an adventurous younger girl that I can mold to be set in my ways. Because it really is my way or the highway with very few exceptions.

And some jump at the chance to show me what a good little girl they are. Because they know any guy thats paying has lots of choices. At a $ it is tough to keep them in line sometimes. At $$ I would be adamant. LOL. I lost my jamaican princess for this very reason. At date 10 she was still making the rules and faking affection, so it ended.

To me there is nothing cuter than a young girl throwing herself at you and asking what can she do to make you happy. Also I have gotten a lot of feedback from girls that one of the main reasons they dont like the bowl is that so many guys do want a real relationship or an exclusive live in situation.

[HollywoodGuy]

This thread fascinates me. Kudos to you guys for keeping it interesting. I'm not really in a position to be a SD myself, but my imagination tells me the sex should be wonderful, passionate, and unrushed. Especially compared to sex with a typical escort, although there is some crossover with some girls. I even saw an escort recently who told me she had just gotten out of a long-term sugar daddy-baby relationship she had formed on a dedicated website. She was good, but I could still tell she was acting a bit. So, my question is this: Do you guys feel like the girls usually genuinely care about you, and genuinely enjoy and want your intimate company in the same way they would a boyfriend, or even some hot guy they bring home from a concert? Or do you feel like a lot of these girls are putting up a good front for the money, like one of the higher end escorts would? I'm just really curious to know your thoughts on that.

I have repeated this before. If you are paying a $ a date, then they have to like you or they will be gone within 1 to 3 dates 90% of the time. If you are paying $$ it's 50/50. If you are paying $$$ or more they may love you to death, but for the money only. If that doesn't matter to you, then who cares. And the sex is way better than an escort most of the time as far as rushing. As far as skills its all over the map just as with an escort. But usually much better in my experience. And all SB's (and all my UTR's) are GFE or why would I even see them?

I can see where escorts provide a valuable service to guys that need sex only. Covered. And with clearly set dollar amount and time frame. And zero clingyness.

[Admin2]

Might need some help, some old broad that probably used to be hot and liked having men pay her bills has been trying to post a bunch of shit about you guys not being willing to pay these girls enough money. She likes to brag about how women in Richmond have infiltrated this forum (it's quite an accomplishment registering a user name on a public forum, their (her) hacking skilz are legendary) and are "on to your games."

If I miss one please don't respond to this troll, just report it.

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[JZLizard]

I do actually look for a caring relationship. I prefer an ongoing relationship that is NSA. This works well for me. I really like the affection and the sex from a 20 something SB. (I am 43). I am able to keep costs down because I am not paying them to sleep with me, they actually really want to, and then I just help with some bills and gifts.

I understand where you're coming from. I prefer that there is "caring" there in the sense that if they ask me for advice on how to handle some aspect of life or whatever (help other than financial), I will do what I can to steer them the right way, and it's kind of nice when they act jealous or a little bit possessive (it's more of an ego stroke for me than anything else). But, I don't confuse that with what I thought the poster meant when he asked about relationships. I consider a "relationship" in the true sense to be an exclusive boyfriend / girlfriend type of relationship, where the relationship is not founded on financial support and sex, but rather founded exclusively on caring for each other and that the relationship would support itself to some extent even if gift of payment were to disappear from the equation. An NSA relationship is really an arrangement in my mind. A relationship by definition has strings.

I just think most SDs aren't looking for that (a real relationship). Just as important as receiving sex for their support is that they can go home to their wife or go on about their life when fun time is over. There are exceptions, to be sure. But I think the married SD who is not looking for a girlfriend is more common.

[CaneBay]

I think most SDs aren't looking for genuine caring or anything real. I love fucking 20 year olds but I wouldn't want one as a girlfriend, it would drive me crazy. 30 is about the minimum age where the maturity level I need in a relationship sets in.

But actual relationships have come out of these SD / SB arrangements before. I don't think its the norm.

I do actually look for a caring relationship. I prefer an ongoing relationship that is NSA. This works well for me. I really like the affection and the sex from a 20 something SB. (I am 43). I am able to keep costs down because I am not paying them to sleep with me, they actually really want to, and then I just help with some bills and gifts.

[CaneBay]

SA uses AVS to verify its payments. How do you take care of name and address with a Visa gift card? Do the gift cards accept fake name and address?

Yes. Fake name and address when you register the gift card. I have never had a problem.

[JZLizard]

This thread fascinates me. Kudos to you guys for keeping it interesting. I'm not really in a position to be a SD myself, but my imagination tells me the sex should be wonderful, passionate, and unrushed. Especially compared to sex with a typical escort, although there is some crossover with some girls. I even saw an escort recently who told me she had just gotten out of a long-term sugar daddy-baby relationship she had formed on a dedicated website. She was good, but I could still tell she was acting a bit. So, my question is this: Do you guys feel like the girls usually genuinely care about you, and genuinely enjoy and want your intimate company in the same way they would a boyfriend, or even some hot guy they bring home from a concert? Or do you feel like a lot of these girls are putting up a good front for the money, like one of the higher end escorts would? I'm just really curious to know your thoughts on that.

I think most SDs aren't looking for genuine caring or anything real. I love fucking 20 year olds but I wouldn't want one as a girlfriend, it would drive me crazy. 30 is about the minimum age where the maturity level I need in a relationship sets in.

But actual relationships have come out of these SD / SB arrangements before. I don't think its the norm.

[Spicy Dreams]

This thread fascinates me. Kudos to you guys for keeping it interesting. I'm not really in a position to be a SD myself, but my imagination tells me the sex should be wonderful, passionate, and unrushed. Especially compared to sex with a typical escort, although there is some crossover with some girls. I even saw an escort recently who told me she had just gotten out of a long-term sugar daddy-baby relationship she had formed on a dedicated website. She was good, but I could still tell she was acting a bit. So, my question is this: Do you guys feel like the girls usually genuinely care about you, and genuinely enjoy and want your intimate company in the same way they would a boyfriend, or even some hot guy they bring home from a concert? Or do you feel like a lot of these girls are putting up a good front for the money, like one of the higher end escorts would? I'm just really curious to know your thoughts on that.

[PghGuy2005]

I doubt the SA app itself would seek to retrieve that from your phone, but I'm pretty sure they would already have it from paying for a membership via credit card (unless there are alternatives I'm unaware of).

I always use an untraceable "gift card" visa. Pay cash for it. Your name is never associated with the account.

SA uses AVS to verify its payments. How do you take care of name and address with a Visa gift card? Do the gift cards accept fake name and address?