"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.

The white girls here are a joke. I saw a cute one when I went out last night for dinner. She was sitting with her same age BF. And all I could think about was the 10 minute thrill ride she was going to get later. LOL. She was looking at me and my 25 year old date and I am sure a thought or 2 crossed her mind when our eyes met. And yes the black girls are so enthusiastic and far more skilled in my experience. There's that old saying about go dancing with a girl to figure out how good she will be in bed later. Which isn't really true. But on some level it is. And no white girl can move like a black girl on or off the dance floor IMHO.

[JZLizard]

Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.

I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.

[FredMoore]

Check out #1901709 on SA. She is an interesting looking girl and can be yours for only $1500 / week. I can't even begin to think about what she could do to earn that. I'd be so happy with a different girl every week for 1/2 of that.

Hollywood chick: $100 + 00 ? Again, possibly / year but per date?

I think some of these babies throw a dream number out there that is enough make their year, and if some idiot pays it then good for them. It's like the old joke about the girl in the bar-you all know it "what do you think I am. We would all do something for the right price --right?

[HollywoodGuy]

You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?

Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.

[VaSD1]

"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

Yes, offer one 1 zero more. Just before the 100. If she's making more than 800 per week maybe she should be paying you.

[GetLost]

"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?

[HollywoodGuy]

"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index...from=mail_list

[FotoGuy1970]

Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.

So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.

Heard back from this POT again today, she was pushing pretty hard to see me for an overnight (she claims she has no place to stay right now). I would probably have seen her, except I already have a date with my regular SB. I offered to see the POT later tonight, but she never replied to my text. She claims to want to see me early next week, so we'll see. I'd really love to bang this girl at least once, she's definitely my type. If only she'd quit flaking out on me.

[FotoGuy1970]

Don't get married. Follow Hollywood's guide to non marital harmony. A sugar is dischargable without penalty such a alimony. So be a profssional Sugar Daddy which will work as long as the money is adequate to play the game.

Nailed it exactly right. I've never been married and very likely never will be. I'm just not built to be in a long-term relationship like that. The sugar relationships are the only relationships for me and have been for a few years now.

[JZLizard]

Sex gets boring with the same partner after a while, therefore the partners get less caring about pleasing the other and the relationship spirals downhill. I do think women enjoy sex in the right circumstance -primarily when they are looking for support. Why is it that divorcees get separated, go to the gym, diet, and regain their attractive appearance and attitude? I am seeing my first MILF divorcee soon. We shall see. Call me cynical but the mental and physical quality is much improved in the 20's over the 40's.

Menopause? There is nothing good that happens sexually after that time of life except they can't get pregnant and therefore might be less inhibited.

By the way, men stop trying as well. We can get fat, slovenly, and stop trying to impress our mates, therefore turning them off. A new guy will have his best face on and will be better, at least for while.

I've noticed that for both males and females, unexplainable weight gain seems to be almost the first symptom of being recently hitched. When I was married, there were times I definitely started slacking off at the gym, and felt that common feeling of entitlement or feeling licensed to let myself go. I don't know why we do it though. After that marriage, I told myself that no matter what I will never succumb to complacency again and allow myself and be one of "those people" who think that marriage (or a live-in relationship) is the end game and where taking care of ourselves stops. Getting too comfortable with our partner is often a death-wish in a relationship. Maybe one of the reasons things are still working with my GF is because I've applied lessons learned in the past. Within reason, I try to always behave the same way I would if it were someone I'd only known a couple of weeks. A good rule of thumb is that if it's a behavior you wouldn't reveal a professional colleague, think twice before getting too comfortable and revealing it to your partner, and never grow complacent for better longevity.

None of this really helps keep sex exciting though. As you said, that's going to decline just because of sheer lack of variety one way or another. One of the best things about the bowl, online dating in general, or even bar hopping is the sheer excitement of fucking someone who is almost a total stranger. I think that's one of the reasons these SBs do it -- sex without the strings of caring too much who the other person really is has an excitement to it that is impossible to match in any regular relationship, even with the boy of their dreams that is their own age.

[FredMoore]

This is definitely what typically happens, and the physical reasons and causes for this are undeniable. However, what boggles the mind is the sheer quantity of these married women that have no problems with sex drive once they divorce or become separated. Some of the hottest and horniest sex I've ever had has been from single moms that no doubt became less interested in sex with their husbands while raising kids with them. So, for that reason, specific medical conditions withstanding, I believe it is way more psychological than (and therefore treatable by psychological means) than many realize.

But, as you said after the kids are raised they are often nearing menopausal symptoms and that is indeed a different story.

Sex gets boring with the same partner after a while, therefore the partners get less caring about pleasing the other and the relationship spirals downhill. I do think women enjoy sex in the right circumstance -primarily when they are looking for support. Why is it that divorcees get separated, go to the gym, diet, and regain their attractive appearance and attitude? I am seeing my first MILF divorcee soon. We shall see. Call me cynical but the mental and physical quality is much improved in the 20's over the 40's.

Menopause? There is nothing good that happens sexually after that time of life except they can't get pregnant and therefore might be less inhibited.

By the way, men stop trying as well. We can get fat, slovenly, and stop trying to impress our mates, therefore turning them off. A new guy will have his best face on and will be better, at least for while.

[JZLizard]

Never forget Biology 101. Women are genetically programmed to attract a sperm donor who will inseminate her and then protect the family while those progeny are being raised. After that is accomplished the game is over. She is done.

This is definitely what typically happens, and the physical reasons and causes for this are undeniable. However, what boggles the mind is the sheer quantity of these married women that have no problems with sex drive once they divorce or become separated. Some of the hottest and horniest sex I've ever had has been from single moms that no doubt became less interested in sex with their husbands while raising kids with them. So, for that reason, specific medical conditions withstanding, I believe it is way more psychological than (and therefore treatable by psychological means) than many realize.

But, as you said after the kids are raised they are often nearing menopausal symptoms and that is indeed a different story.

[FredMoore]

Never forget Biology 101. Women are genetically programmed to attract a sperm donor who will inseminate her and then protect the family while those progeny are being raised. After that is accomplished the game is over. She is done.

All women desire maintainence and support, married or not (sugars, mistresses, etc). Men spend an inordinant amount of money on them.

Ergo, why would we ever get married? Well, we operate on the basis of the optimal condition of love. Our new wives -to-be are still in the "got to have sex because they want babies " stage, and are taking care of business. Once the happy couple is esconced in suburban living with the white picket fence and have 2. 5 kids, life stresses hit and the sex tapers right on down and out.

What is to be done about it? Don't get married. Follow Hollywood's guide to non marital harmony. A sugar is dischargable without penalty such a alimony. So be a profssional Sugar Daddy which will work as long as the money is adequate to play the game. If you don't have any money, marry a girl with it.

If already married ,well ,we are all here aren't we ?

[VaSD1]

Communicated with a 40 something married MILF on SA a month or so ago. I drive the Norfolk to DC I-95 corridor a couple of times a month and she lives along the way. Scheduled a M&G one week, followed by our first FC meeting two weeks later. Claims I am I am her third man ever. Met at a hotel and she was rocking, multi orgasmic and clearly deprived on the man stick. Continued convo after and I got a bit nasty talking about taking her back door. Said she had never done that, I said I was going to make it happen. She met me at hotel again tonight and we went at it like horny teenagers. I took her cherry ass as part of the process. I can't tell you what a thrill it was do her. I was careful and gentle but by the time we were at the end of the movie she was bucking back into me like her life depended on it. Took her to a nice dinner after, returned to the room and did it again. A great memory created. Taking the anal cherry of a married woman and having her love it was an incredible experience for an old guy like me. And I forgot to give her my gift when I sent her on her way. I had asked her to text me when she got home to make sure she arrived safely (we had shared an entire bottle of wine) and she never even mentioned it. Life is good (or at least tonight it is).

[JZLizard]

Yeah, I didn't any illusions about marriage and sex, at least not when it became directly relevant. Our mismatch in sex drive was apparent pretty early, and as you say, it was counterbalanced by a lot of other positives. Right now we're in the throes of that relentless grind known as balancing careers with parenting, and the shared interests / activities that brought us together have long since left the building. Nothing challenges a relationship quite like kids, that's for damned sure. It saps you of all the things that used to keep you anchored, and piles on stresses that are unreal. But as you say, this isn't exactly a relationship advice forum.

While I'm empathize with the notion that abundance of sex does not substitute for quality, I'd like to think that if my SO were as accommodating as yours that the barrier to the bowl would have been much higher for me. Your SO at least makes the effort (and according to my SO, that's quite a bit of effort), which is commendable at the very least.

I always think sex drive is more psychological than physiological. In the early days of my sexual activity, I found myself bluntly pursuing sex, only to get turned down (which is of course easy to understand when its one 12 year old trying to bang another). Something I realized into my teens, though, is that the more I am in pursuit of it, the more they will resist. I don't even know if that's a female thing as much as human nature. Basically I've found women sometimes like to play the role of the chaser instead of the chased. I've got an entire repertoire of moves I've developed over the years (trade secrets that I think I will save for the book. LOL) that seem to work fairly consistently. The basic idea is not tricky or slick, it's just reverse psychology. Making them believe that you're indifferent to whether you have sex or not allows them to have enough mental elbow room to start noticing their own sexual urges. It doesn't always work, I've dated some that are just less sexual as a person than I am, and to that end they may always have relatively low sex drives, but sooner or later just before or just after their period (after seems more often) they do get horny, and if you can time this move right it can get the ball back in your court consistently.

If an example helps. Early on my current relationship, I realized my GF was not the horniest or most adventurous girl I ever dated. I was definitely happy with sex, but in some ways felt like I was dating a virgin compared to some of my previous GFs, or just someone real inexperienced. It's not that she doesn't like sex, she's just somewhat passive at it skill-wise. So, what I would do early on is try to preemptively jerk off on the days nearing her period. That way I'm less likely to randomly seek sex in the middle of the night. Sometime during that timeframe, she hit her "horny spell", just a hormonal thing that comes when it does and sort of hinted she was in the mood, so I just kind of begrudgingly go along, complaining a little bit about how tired I am. LOL. But, what happens at this point is she realize that sex is something that I can take or leave too. It's not this power that she holds over me, which is how a lot of women view it. So, she starts to place the same value on sex as I do, taking it as something that shouldn't really be taken for granted and that you cannot be sure you'll receive when you want it. Hope that makes sense -- it's just the act of turning it around and letting them pursue it once and a while. I've done pretty much the same thing with countless women in the past. I've used it to seal the deal with women who might have never let me bang them if I continued to pursue it.

Now, granted, that tactic usually has nothing to do with how I handle SBs so I may be drifting a bit here. And, also as you said adding kids into the mix can completely change the picture for a number of reasons, if nothing else just the sheer amount of time dealing with them takes and the stress they generate. So, I don't want to imply that this will produce results for everyone -- I've never had kids so I can only speculate. But, I do know it is human nature to want what we can't have, so whenever I get the chance to use that knowledge to my advantage and adjust their mind to the believe that sex is a mutual perk and not just something I want, it seems to work.

At least, I should say, that trick is what I think contributes to my girlfriend's willingness to put out and sometimes initiate screwing. I've even dated girls in the past who, after we broke up, would call me up and ask if we could get together for occasional fuck sessions, just because they occasionally got the urge -- that's a great feeling if only for the ego boost. These were the same girls who were resisting letting me in their pants at all when I first met them. I'm pretty sure the only reason that happens is because they perceive the desire for sex as evenly distributed. If they perceive an imbalance of desire, they will just resist by saying no.