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  1. #4634
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utwogood  [View Original Post]
    This area's reputation for clients paying better than other areas (several providers have told me this) has brought providers here that flat-out stink. They are much more cutthroat, and "being a gentleman" is not always something that transfers over well. To these girls, "short stay" means they start catching an attitude at the five-minute mark. As stated, so many factors go into the mood of that provider that I KNOW have nothing to do with me.

    I have to admit, bad service and the hobby in general has paid a toll on me too. So much so that I've cut my provider visits to a third. Honestly, when I get to be in the shape I want, I'm leaving the hobby for good.
    It's funny that you say that. I've often wondered how NORVA / DC, which is one of the most affluent regions in the country, attracted such bottom dwellers in the hobby industry. There are tons of politicos, lobbyists and lawyers, military and retired military, defense contractors, etc. The average income here is double that of the national mean. Why wouldn't more quality providers be lining up to work here? I read somewhere that the hobby has dropped off by like 50% since the early 2000's, which tracks with what I remember from being here over 10 years ago. Does LE have an unusually effective approach? Do they target young, attractive, non-ghetto providers for intervention or something?

    Seems like there are some high-end girls to take care of the high-earners in the area (the $450-$1500 an hour girls on eros). You'd think there would still be more mid-range girls for the rest of us who make good money but can't spend $1500 a month mongering.

    As I posted earlier, I haven't done anything since July. I have a different approach that's probably eventually going to ween me off the game entirely. It's more a matter of saying, "I have a little time and will see what's available. I spend 30 mins vetting girls on BP and eros, make 2-3 calls tops, and give up if that effort can't bear fruit. Like a lot of guys, I used to be all about the "I'm going to pull the trigger no matter what", which ultimately involved starting at an ideal and working my way down until something clicked. The quality of the girls and the safety / reliability of the situation deteriorated pretty quickly after the first couple of tiers. Today I actually called Bailey (http://washingtondc.backpage.com/Fem...ality/15827963), but haven't been able to get ahold of her (3 calls in the last few hours). Pictures look good and the number and pics check out so far through about 6 cities. No tErotic Review. May try again after lunch.

  2. #4633

    Bella the Brazilian from Vegas

    http://escortprofile.xxx/702-274-9228

    Left for work with out cranking it which was a huge mistake Monday night and on my way to work I couldn't help but browse on my phone looking for a quick squeeze. Found Bella with a Herndon ad but she was actually in Sterling when I had called. She picked up right away and was immediately polite and welcoming on the phone which was a huge bonus IMO. Earlier before I had called her I got off the phone with some stripper down in Manassas who had a complete attitude and I was not about to give her any of my time / money. Anyways Bella was simple and texted me the address, it was a hotel off of 7, which if any of you have frequented will know which one I'm talking about, it seems to be the most common one for those who chose the Sterling area.

    Anyways two call system, Bella asked if I was driving a certain car because she must have been looking outside as I was parking, so she's observant. Entered the room and it was clean and no weird or nasty smells. She was very clean and had incredibly slim / tight body, for a quick squeeze I was absolutely floored with the service and quality / attention she gave me. She was also quite talkative and conversed with me, this was no rush job even for what I was paying.

    One thing though, she had a friend with her and it was clear her friend was gathering her belongings to hide away in the bathroom. I could hear the ruckus when I arrived at the door to the room. Nothing weird though, and I had asked about the friend in there and she said it was fine, just her friend. Either way I encountered no problems with Bella and she was definitely worth the trip.

    Not my normal cup of tea because I prefer the odd / weird shit out there sadly. But as a provider she was pretty and she provided a good quality service. If your looking for that I highly recommend. Pictures are accurate by the way, the tattoo on her back has faded quite a bit though.

  3. #4632
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    I've given the lesbian angle some thought, but don't think it's the case for most.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metloaf  [View Original Post]
    The majority of the providers want the same thing we monger for, "The pussy". They hate men and love women, but until they can get the donations from other women, they put up with us. All the rest is a after thought or them zoning out doing what they do. Average girls sharing rooms fucking each other. Majority of us hate our job but we go for the check. And I don't care how good work treats you. You can think of better things to do .
    I went through a period where I considered your above thesis a real possibility (I got with a few providers who gave off as much of that vibe as a reasonably feminine woman could, and a few others who straight up told me that they preferred girls, but had to pay the bills). But in my half-dozen threesomes (all pros) most of the girls refused to go beyond kissing and light touching (breasts, spanning, etc.) and the ones who did go all out were clearly new to it / uncomfortable / didn't know what the fuck they were doing). I ended up feeling kind of bad.

    I think the simplest explanation is that (1) they're in this "life" because their upbringing wasn't the best, and probably included some bad experiences with men. And (2), they've come to view sex as purely transactional. I've had my share of decent experiences which I chalked up to a combination of me being a good, fit, younger-than-average, conversational cliant and the girls either being good actresses or just being crazy for dick. But the number of bad encounters leads a good cliant to the understanding that (in the words of a retired high-end call girl called "the honest courtesan") many of these girls hate men, themselves, sex, or some combination of the three.

    And this area is as bad as I've seen. I haven't hobbied since late July.

  4. #4631

    Jasmine / Jazzy from Cali legit

    Just came from seeing her in Springfield. She gives her TER I'd, legit reviews.

    She looks like her picture, pleasant.

    I enjoyed her in many positions and came on top, pounding that tight pussy.

    Recommended.

    Nova. backpage.com/ FemaleEscorts / well-reviewed-I-amabsolutely-a-dream-come-true-_true-california-blonde /15438771.

  5. #4630

    Redd

    Quote Originally Posted by BunkerBuster  [View Original Post]
    I didn't take a session with her, but met her while seeing her roommate. She was hiding in the shower, but talking on the phone. Both are under the same management; her roommate was afraid to break "the rules" because Redd got her in trouble when she broke a rule during a doubles session. She also told me that Redd won't even touch the little man without a cover. When I was trying to wash up, Redd got belligerent because she had someone waiting, and started ordering me to leave immediately. Unless you like girls who can't hide the contempt for clients we've talked about (although I'm sure she loves her pimp 'daddy') take a pass on her.

    http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...eauty/16073296
    Thanks for the report, I'd been curious about her and followed her ads. However she had gone through too many numbers for me to risk TOFTT. Her numbers:

    703-673-8440.

    404-673-9319.

    832-833-9224.

    571-276-8354.

  6. #4629

    Redd: Not very nice

    I didn't take a session with her, but met her while seeing her roommate. She was hiding in the shower, but talking on the phone. Both are under the same management; her roommate was afraid to break "the rules" because Redd got her in trouble when she broke a rule during a doubles session. She also told me that Redd won't even touch the little man without a cover. When I was trying to wash up, Redd got belligerent because she had someone waiting, and started ordering me to leave immediately. Unless you like girls who can't hide the contempt for clients we've talked about (although I'm sure she loves her pimp 'daddy') take a pass on her.

    http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...eauty/16073296

    My report on the roommate will follow later. I don't want to name her here, for now.

  7. #4628

    Bottom Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Utwogood  [View Original Post]
    I agree with you BB. I do all the things you do, except I am not in the best shape. I have been "lucky" in the past, but it's few and far between. Those select few I'd make regulars but they have never stuck around for very long.

    Some of them are angry at you, some are angry at themselves. And almost all of them are terrible with money. I met one woman, and I couldn't help but ask how she got started. She said she had bought two $400 K houses to flip in California (during the housing boom, but got caught with sub-prime mortgages and low demand. She tried like hell to pay it off, and when she couldn't just went into hiding (escorting).

    This area's reputation for clients paying better than other areas (several providers have told me this) has brought providers here that flat-out stink. They are much more cutthroat, and "being a gentleman" is not always something that transfers over well. To these girls, "short stay" means they start catching an attitude at the five-minute mark. As stated, so many factors go into the mood of that provider that I KNOW have nothing to do with me.

    Although they all know about the other board, less and less of them care about service, integrity, punctuality, respect, reviews, or reputations. They simply change their name and number and keep it moving. I've always tried to be upbeat and a gentleman, and even have a tip ready if I do SS (though they usually smart talk themselves out of it), but you can't be a pushover either. I always ask a provider what their "rules" are before we start. Paying close attention to how she responds gives me a good barometer of what to expect during the session. But lately I have got to the point of giving them MY rule: "Whatever attitude you give me is the one you're going to get back. ".

    I have to admit, bad service and the hobby in general has paid a toll on me too. So much so that I've cut my provider visits to a third. Honestly, when I get to be in the shape I want, I'm leaving the hobby for good.
    The majority of the providers want the same thing we monger for, "The pussy". They hate men and love women, but until they can get the donations from other women, they put up with us. All the rest is a after thought or them zoning out doing what they do. Average girls sharing rooms fucking each other. Majority of us hate our job but we go for the check. And I don't care how good work treats you. You can think of better things to do .

  8. #4627

    Well stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utwogood  [View Original Post]

    This area's reputation for clients paying better than other areas (several providers have told me this) has brought providers here that flat-out stink. They are much more cutthroat, and "being a gentleman" is not always something that transfers over well. To these girls, "short stay" means they start catching an attitude at the five-minute mark. As stated, so many factors go into the mood of that provider that I KNOW have nothing to do with me.

    Although they all know about the other board, less and less of them care about service, integrity, punctuality, respect, reviews, or reputations. They simply change their name and number and keep it moving. I've always tried to be upbeat and a gentleman, and even have a tip ready if I do SS (though they usually smart talk themselves out of it), but you can't be a pushover either. I always ask a provider what their "rules" are before we start. Paying close attention to how she responds gives me a good barometer of what to expect during the session. But lately I have got to the point of giving them MY rule: "Whatever attitude you give me is the one you're going to get back. ".

    I have to admit, bad service and the hobby in general has paid a toll on me too. So much so that I've cut my provider visits to a third. Honestly, when I get to be in the shape I want, I'm leaving the hobby for good.
    I feel the same way you do and I concur with your assessment 100%.

    Propilot-Always check your six.

  9. #4626

    Pamela the Princess

    Long time lurker that has stuck to just a few favorites, so not much to contribute that hasn't already been said. I have not seen Pamela the PR princess lately. Does anyone know if she has moved to another area or retired? Or maybe I am just missing her visits. Thanks.

  10. #4625

    Exactly: Learn to read the pitches, and don't swing at junk

    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    On the hobbyist side, those who more homework and stick to well-reviewed providers will have more positive outcomes than clients who simply roll the dice.

    In summary, I still hold to my earlier point that there are a wide variety of experiences out there and it's possible for a hobbyist to maximize the positive ones (both in service and attitude) by using resources like this forum, learning from experience and applying some common sense effort. After you've been doing this for a while and know what to look for, it can seem like you're batting (close to) 1. 000, but all it really means is that you've learned how to swing at pitches that are in the zone.
    All the research, intel, and experience are batting practice to learn how to recognize what kind of pitch is coming in. Guys who just swing because they like the pix in the ad are going to get burned on nasty curves and sliders. Fake pix, bad reviews, and other red flags are a tip that what's coming in is junk, so let it go by. When I talk to a girl and something seems off, I stop the bat before the barrel comes around. If she's rude or impatient on the phone, she's going to be rude or impatient in person.

    Memorize this rule: if something seems wrong, something IS wrong.

    By the time I'm swinging, I'm confident that pitch is coming right over the plate. Other than the rare no-answer when I get to the location, and maybe one ripoff or awful experience every few years, I'm on base nearly all the time. When I spot good ones that are worth repeating, it's like being in the home run derby with a friendly pitcher.

    At least we've managed to squeeze a little bit more of post World Series baseball here.

  11. #4624
    Quote Originally Posted by BunkerBuster  [View Original Post]
    And probably why I also get UGFE so often from girls that others say are non-GFE. I stay in reasonably good shape, and make sure I've showered, flossed, and brushed within an hour or two of going to meet a girl. If it's been longer, I'll jump her in shower and do a quick rinse of the combat zones, then rinse with mouthwash.

    When I see ten reviews that say "not GFE at all" of a girl that lets me finish anywhere and anyhow, I figure there are some differences in presentation, hygiene, attitude, and generosity.

    Free advice to my competition: cleanliness counts, and treat them like ladies, not tramps. They really hate guys who talk down to them, want to get rough, and think that they enjoy when you "smack that ass. " If you enjoy pretending you're in a porn movie, have fun, but I'm getting three times the GFE at half of what you're paying. Really.
    I agree with you BB. I do all the things you do, except I am not in the best shape. I have been "lucky" in the past, but it's few and far between. Those select few I'd make regulars but they have never stuck around for very long.

    Some of them are angry at you, some are angry at themselves. And almost all of them are terrible with money. I met one woman, and I couldn't help but ask how she got started. She said she had bought two $400 K houses to flip in California (during the housing boom, but got caught with sub-prime mortgages and low demand. She tried like hell to pay it off, and when she couldn't just went into hiding (escorting).

    This area's reputation for clients paying better than other areas (several providers have told me this) has brought providers here that flat-out stink. They are much more cutthroat, and "being a gentleman" is not always something that transfers over well. To these girls, "short stay" means they start catching an attitude at the five-minute mark. As stated, so many factors go into the mood of that provider that I KNOW have nothing to do with me.

    Although they all know about the other board, less and less of them care about service, integrity, punctuality, respect, reviews, or reputations. They simply change their name and number and keep it moving. I've always tried to be upbeat and a gentleman, and even have a tip ready if I do SS (though they usually smart talk themselves out of it), but you can't be a pushover either. I always ask a provider what their "rules" are before we start. Paying close attention to how she responds gives me a good barometer of what to expect during the session. But lately I have got to the point of giving them MY rule: "Whatever attitude you give me is the one you're going to get back. ".

    I have to admit, bad service and the hobby in general has paid a toll on me too. So much so that I've cut my provider visits to a third. Honestly, when I get to be in the shape I want, I'm leaving the hobby for good.

  12. #4623
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    Posts: 1987

    Looks like Cherokee Gaby has switched numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by BunkerBuster  [View Original Post]
    I've seen a lot of cowboy movies, and I don't recall any of the Cherokees looking like this:

    http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...image=16048382

    http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...agine/16048385

    Those people protesting the Redskins name ought to protest her instead.
    New BP ad: http://washingtondc.backpage.com/Fem...-have/16063441.

    Pics linked to her new number: http://escortprofile.xxx/470-798-8173.

  13. #4622
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1987

    Yes, no and maybe: Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkerIrish  [View Original Post]
    Not disagreeing, just saying the number is higher than 25%. I'm putting it up at 95%, not 25%. That number, 95% isn't "all providers" nor are "all" hobbyists in that category. Does kind of explain though when a clean, well groomed, well dressed, freshly showered (not that morning either), teeth brushed, and all the other things previously mention occur that you not only get good service but spectacular service. But it happens for a reason. If ALL guys did that, then the disparity in service wouldn't be as great IMHO or providers would stay in the business longer. The providers that stay in the business longer, I guarantee you they have a good base of clients and screen really well.
    IMHO, it's all relative and it's difficult to draw accurate conclusions from anecdotal evidence. 25% vs 95%, who really knows?

    When the hobby works as it should, the upside is that it allows consenting adults to satisfy their economic (for the providers) and physical (for the clients) needs without hurting anyone. The worst negative aspects involve the possibility of exploitation and trafficking of those who are not willing participants. And a milder downside is the propensity for both providers and clients look at each other purely as commodities. For many providers that is the attitude that leads to contempt and viewing clients as nothing more than a cash source. But there are two sides to that equation and many clients are equally guilty as they view providers as nothing more than shapely bits of meat from which to extract the maximum amount of pleasure for the minimum cost.

    In looking at the issues of service and attitude, there are providers who provide bad service and have contempt for clients; there are those who provide good service even though they may have contempt for clients; and thankfully there are also those who provide good service and don't have contempt for clients. But the bottom line is that it's hard to assign percentages based on anecdotal evidence such as "John School" and provider postings, since those can reasonably be expected to skew to the negative.

    The reason I started this post by saying it's all relative is because, no matter how the distribution of good vs bad attitude / service breaks down, everything (for both provider and client) depends on their individual approach to the hobby. For example, providers who do more screening, are more selective or just have a more positive attitude may tend to get better clients and thereby be less exposed to bad experiences leading to contempt. On the hobbyist side, those who more homework and stick to well-reviewed providers will have more positive outcomes than clients who simply roll the dice.

    In summary, I still hold to my earlier point that there are a wide variety of experiences out there and it's possible for a hobbyist to maximize the positive ones (both in service and attitude) by using resources like this forum, learning from experience and applying some common sense effort. After you've been doing this for a while and know what to look for, it can seem like you're batting (close to) 1. 000, but all it really means is that you've learned how to swing at pitches that are in the zone.

  14. #4621
    Quote Originally Posted by BunkerBuster  [View Original Post]
    I've seen a lot of cowboy movies, and I don't recall any of the Cherokees looking like this:
    Those people protesting the Redskins name ought to protest her instead.
    In the AA community, its quite common to consider having native american blood to some degree-especially amongst women. As a litmus test, next time you see ANY AA woman, ask if she has native blood in her. I'm sure the response will be yes. Add into the fact that the federal government recognizes up to 1/64 the blood for some tribes for federal assistance. I've seen lily white people call themselves something asinine like "Jane Walking Wounded Eagle Feather" with blue eyes, blonde hair, and at least 2/3 rds Irish call themselves 'native american'.

    But yes, agree with you, not native by any stretch of the imagination. That being said, a girl on the oThER board posting as native and I believe she's the real deal. But at much higher price point.

  15. #4620

    Because

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEmail786  [View Original Post]
    Please post if anyone have good experience with a provider, why is no one posting good experiences?
    It's a poor area for mongering on BP. Low talent and lots of fakers and scammers. Go to Bmore thread for real intel.

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