"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Minnanon** · 10-31-14 10:08

Originally Posted by RedBred [View Original Post]

My guess is that we SD's are not seeing the promotional material the websites are aiming at young women. It would not surprise me if such material makes it sound like there are young millionaires who cannot get dates and are looking on the site for women just to spend time with. This is how they get young women to sign up ensuring a steady flow of new ones for us. Some women adjust their expectations; others just drop off. Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

RB.

Spot on. I had a nice long chat with a POT where there was no chemistry, but she's smart as a whip. The young girls think there's a ton of 30-something, movie-star looking guys willing to drop big bucks on them. We compared some notes. In my area on SA, there is 1 SD for every 3 (actually 3. 25) potential SBs. 80% of the SD's have a listed income of 200 k or less. 90% are 40 or over.

Many of the youngsters are asking 3-5 k month maintenance to open. So these girls think they are going to get 36-60 k a year in post-tax dollars from guys making 200 k or less? Gently explaining those facts has not done me much good. (Yet the girls that have turned their nose up at my counter are still actively looking weeks later, based on their activity).

Unfortunately—around here at least—most of them seem to eventually drop off rather than get with reality.

**FredMoore** · 10-31-14 09:39

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

I like to have my SB's full attention for emotional and safety reasons. Like Hollywood I would require at least that she use condoms with others, but how do you enforce that? I guess in the end we have to assume that they are seeing others just as we are doing. OTOH if you are paying over $1000 / month then it is reasonable for a non greedy girl to provide monogamy. Just like our need for sex, girls' need for money is endless. It is too tempting and easy for them to add another guy or two to the rolls.

A case in point. I am working up a 9/10 20 yr old. We have chemistry from the M&G and have only the FC date to do, but she lives 2 hrs away. She required platonia, but I think that is a moving target. She is searching and has a live-in couples gig on the table (she is very frank about it). It actually would bring her to my city where I could see her on the side. She says the people are OK with that. It takes the support requirement off the table for me and perhaps my allowance can be just for fun, and therefore cheaper and in my price range. But I don't like the thought that she is live-in meat for others to bang at will and on a frequent basis. So I am getting sloppy seconds.

So to second your concern Beard, what is one to do? Like you I guess I will just try to ignore her other activities and enjoy her. What does the committee think?

**Bashful** · 10-31-14 07:12

OK, love reading the posts but frustrated that I can't determine all the euphemisms / acronyms.

I've seen SA listed a lot. Assume its a web site, but can't figure it out. I know there is some prohibition about referencing "competing" sites.

FC: Full Contact? "Full Course" My best guesses. Wish someone would update the ABBREVIATIONS list of all these new stuff.

MG / M&G meet and greet. Got it.

But Enjoy the reading and I am envious of some of you!

**Rouleur** · 10-31-14 00:36

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

But have not paid the fees to respond to offers. You are right, a lot of cross over traffic. Great that you will let us know how you liked the dates, have fun!

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-31-14 00:36

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

I always tell the girl (and this is only if you BB), to please always always always use a condom with everyone else (so I don't have to). If a girl is a real NP she won't be doing anyone else anyway unless she has a BF that was there before you. And a real real NP only has sex with one guy at a time, many will become exclusive by default (not to say this one is or will be).

**VaSD1** · 10-30-14 23:36

For anyone that's a member of SA you likely received an offer to sign up for this affiliated site. I did and I did sign up about three weeks ago. Most of the ads were the same women on SA (but not all). I was turned off by the requirement to buy credits in order to send or respond to an offer so I didn't buy. Today (must be the full moon) I bit and bought the basic package of credits. Already have three dates planned out of it and at reasonable prices. One is a preggo (not in her profile, revealed after contact). Kinky. Anybody else TOFFT team on this site? I will report my experiences when they go down.

**BeardedMan67** · 10-30-14 18:41

Originally Posted by BeardedMan67 [View Original Post]

Wow guys I think I might have hit a home run on my first time up to bat. Met an incredibly cute 18 year old girl tonight at a local coffee shop. We had emailed each other 4-5 times and she asked me to go get coffee. I got there first but didn't see anyone matching her pics. I got my drink and sat down. As I turned my my drink I saw her. WOW- absolutely stunning. I sat down and she got her drink and came over. We introduced ourselves and just started talking. We talked about everything for over an hour. I finally broached the arrangement. She said she already felt comfortable with me and she was down with it. I offered her my decided upon fee and she took it right away. No haggling back and forth. She said I'm so happy we met!! We have a date set up for this coming weekend. I am stoked! I was incredibly nervous about the meet and greet but it went so well.

Guys- just a follow up to let you know how first date went. Met her at a nice hotel. I offered to buy her dinner, but she had just eaten with her family. We went to the room and talked on the bed for over an hour just getting comfortable with each other and then the fun began. Incredible to be with an 18 year old gorgeous girl!! I got her a gift of lingerie and got to see it modeled and them got some pics of it later. Meeting her again in 2 weeks.

Question- should I care that I know she is seeing other guys or at least looking? I guess the answer is no as long as I am getting what I want out of it.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-30-14 17:56

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

When I see girls I might otherwise be interested in expressing high $ or no intimacy expectations, I sometimes send them not like: "damn, you are cute. Too bad you are beyond my budget". Or "No intimacy. Darn! With a best of luck on your search. You may be surprised how many respond back positively after their expectations have been "re-set" by reality. LOL.

I just ignore that stuff completely. I suggest a HJ and making out as a get to know you date first. I get a lot of positive response to this. And many times it leads to much more.

MILF update. I let down the one from the other day pretty easy. So no drama there. Here is today's. A few notches higher up the food chain. Maybe a 7 ? She wants to meet tonite.

Costs. Pretty high this month as I am rewarding the loyal few.

Did an M&G with the 18 year old diamond eyes pictured. We have to work out the details, but the first real date is gonna be a HJ only. She is only one mile from my house. She told me I was too old for her. LOL. She is at least an 8/9. Body to die for. We'll see what happens.

**Madaboutmax** · 10-30-14 16:30

When I see girls I might otherwise be interested in expressing high $ or no intimacy expectations, I sometimes send them not like: "damn, you are cute. Too bad you are beyond my budget". Or "No intimacy. Darn! With a best of luck on your search. You may be surprised how many respond back positively after their expectations have been "re-set" by reality. LOL.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-30-14 16:18

Originally Posted by Gogreen [View Original Post]

On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.

I think its like asking for BB. Some will and some won't. Some girls prefer married guys as they don't want any clingy attachments. I was married once and it didn't seem to bother the girls that came on to me. That was in the civi world, but is it really any different here?

**Gogreen** · 10-30-14 16:10

On top of those plutonic arrangement seeking SBs.

For those SD's with SO's, are you guys upfront with being married and needing discretion? I don't know what it is but lately it seems in my market all the potentials are not wanting to deal with a married guy. My game doesn't seem to be the problem, but I am upfront that I'm married, have no intention of leaving and need discretion. The initial conversations go fine but once the subject of being married comes up, they back away and often say they believe in marriage's sanctity and can't proceed. Granted many of them seem like first-timers. Maybe I just got to be more patient and wait til they deal with some of the creepy single SD's and see stable married SD's can be a good option too. Just wanted to vent a little and take the pulse elsewhere.

**BamBam** · 10-30-14 09:48

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.

My guess is that we SD's are not seeing the promotional material the websites are aiming at young women. It would not surprise me if such material makes it sound like there are young millionaires who cannot get dates and are looking on the site for women just to spend time with. This is how they get young women to sign up ensuring a steady flow of new ones for us. Some women adjust their expectations; others just drop off. Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

RB.

**FredMoore** · 10-30-14 09:35

" I am looking for a platonic friend and mentor to help me with my personal and professional goals. " Here's another one newly listed this AM. What the * is up with these girls? Are there really guys out there who pay these cuties to hang around them hoping for a scrap thrown their way?

There is a spate of teens and early 20's in my market, and a large number of them are "Plutonic" idealogues ** "give me monay and you will have the satisfaction of making me happy " Come on brothers, give it up if you are a closet plutonifile. It's OK, the rest of us won't give you too hard a time for ruining the market.

It is my guess that if you are attractive are patient enough to date these girls a little that most would end up giving up the Quan. But there are too many who will give it up anyway to waste our valuable time and available hobbying money with maybes.

My Sugaring is at an all time low due to the Warden keeping a tight leash on my free time and funds. I can no longer risk going out in public and can not get away for unsupervised travel. Sheesh! I'm sure some of you can identify with this. Most who are there no longer post here, so I suspect they have given up or got caught and are wending their way through the legal system. Many old timers are gone from this blog, which tells me that this hobby for married guys is relatively short lived.

Some of you might ask "why put up with the degrading sophomoric supervision that our teenage children had to endure " ? Well **it is hard to give up sex with a 20 yr old to go back to the "same ole same ole " And divorce is extraordinarily expensive and emotionally traumatic, so one does what he can can to keep the flames alive.

**VaSD1** · 10-30-14 08:58

Mellisa 89. Advertises on Backpage as Sexy Scarlet. Digits are 229-513-4402. I wish these girls would stay off the SB sites.

**C Builder** · 10-29-14 18:41

Originally Posted by GetLost [View Original Post]

I just love the game. No more dealing with drug addicts and that crap for the most part. Dealing with 20 somethings is usually more trouble than it's worth. If you're dating someone then that's not the time to be cheap. But scoring it for free with one you may never see again? Then I'm a tightwad. So the bottom line is this. The older women are usually horny and can be had with very little effort and expense. They are all around, just look! I have a date on Halloween with this woman I chatted up in a local deli. 46 and nice looking, decent shape and a massive pair of tits. If all goes well maybe I'll keep her!

It's been years since I was unencumbered, but I remember the problem being how to get rid of them. The one's that I got in the sack seemed to think that meant we were now BF / GF.