"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**VaSD1** · 10-15-14 22:25

Originally Posted by FyrGuy33 [View Original Post]

Sorry you got burned. I NEVER front them any money. They get nothing until the panties hit the floor. I also advise them right from the beginning that I am not an ATM.

Definitely my new mantra.

**JZLizard** · 10-15-14 22:21

Originally Posted by Minnanon [View Original Post]

I can't ever close, because I can't open. I do okay in person, but I don't seem to have a feel for online stuff. Tips?

I've been reading this forum, but there's so many posts and the search only gets me so far in finding quality posts.

Any help would be appreciated.

As Hollywood said, multiple profiles might help you figure out what works -- although if you're new to the online thing you'll want to be careful to remember what you said to who under which profile (maybe keep a spreadsheet), and of course you shouldn't add real photos of you under either -- send those after you've made contact with them.

Also I would target the UTR pro type first, just to get the hang of it all. You don't really need any level of game, online or otherwise, to land them, so it would be a good way to practice. Intentionally avoid the ones you really want, saving them for later. Then after you feel more comfortable with the whole online thing, gravitate toward what you really want.

Make your wealth / generosity known, since that's one of your strong cards. For example offer to take them to an expensive restaurant of their choice for the M&G just to show that you're for real.

**FyrGuy33** · 10-15-14 21:59

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

On SA, her name is SweetBella2014. Started emailing last Thursday, met for meet and greet on Friday. All seemed okay, made plans to hook up this morning. Walking her to her car she gave me the "my phone is about to be shut off" routine so I fronted her. 9 to take care of it. On Friday she had another emergency and begged me to send. 5 into her account, I bit and I did. Told her not to call or text over the weekend (she at least honored that). By yesterday am it was another series of oh-woe-is-me's (car accident, mom has cancer, etc.) and could we meet early because she really needed the money (I'm thinking WTF, you are already into me for 1. 4, do you think you're going to get anymore?) This morning I blew her off and took the loss. Too much drama for me. If you decide to pursue this one be careful and don't let her hook you for any cash up front and be prepared for the drama. Lesson learned for me.

Sorry you got burned. I NEVER front them any money. They get nothing until the panties hit the floor. I also advise them right from the beginning that I am not an ATM.

**GetLost** · 10-15-14 20:42

Originally Posted by VaSD1 [View Original Post]

On SA, her name is SweetBella2014. Started emailing last Thursday, met for meet and greet on Friday. All seemed okay, made plans to hook up this morning. Walking her to her car she gave me the "my phone is about to be shut off" routine so I fronted her. 9 to take care of it. On Friday she had another emergency and begged me to send. 5 into her account, I bit and I did. Told her not to call or text over the weekend (she at least honored that). By yesterday am it was another series of oh-woe-is-me's (car accident, mom has cancer, etc.) and could we meet early because she really needed the money (I'm thinking WTF, you are already into me for 1. 4, do you think you're going to get anymore?) This morning I blew her off and took the loss. Too much drama for me. If you decide to pursue this one be careful and don't let her hook you for any cash up front and be prepared for the drama. Lesson learned for me.

Never front money to any of these women without services being rendered. Without sounding judgemental you failed her test. When she gave you that line about her phone about to be turned off you should have said wow sorry to hear that. That's what I would have said. By giving her money without her having to do anything for it, you became an ATM to her. Most guys make this mistake including myself at one time. As long as you are wiser about it then you know for future reference. She's nice looking and probably pulls this nonsense all the time. I always act nonchalant and indifferent. The last wench that tried this on me got a lecture about being responsible for oneself. But sadly, these funds usually go to support a drug habit.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-15-14 17:56

Originally Posted by Minnanon [View Original Post]

Okay, I recently tried to step into the world of the bowl. I'm using the SA site.

Here's my situation. I can get lots of traction with the 30+ set. Already had one date, and two more lined up.

But I can't seem to make any headway with the 22-30 year olds.

I am vertically challenged. My first date and I did not have chemistry. I was too short. She was butter. But we had a lot in common, had a fun dinner, and I teased out some info, told her she needed to be my virtual wing man.

1. I am not "hot", but above average for looks / build in my age range, in the area I am looking.

2. My income / wealth is in the 90th percentile. There are a few guys with net worth about 10 x mine, I'm at the top of the rest.

3. Given the response she gets, (she's an art model, and hotter than a lot of the 20 somethings) there's only a couple dozen guys actively hunting my patch.

I've tried:

1. Long winded approach which expands on my profile, tinged with humor.

2. One liners, usually smart-assed and playing off her profile.

3. Short approach which tries to spark a conversation based on something in her profile.

4. Straightforward one-liners. "You seem interesting, how about a drink. ".

5. Neanderthal one-liners. "You have the tightest ass on this site, how about a drink. ".

6. Drive by favorite-ing without a message.

I can't ever close, because I can't open. I do okay in person, but I don't seem to have a feel for online stuff. Tips?

I've been reading this forum, but there's so many posts and the search only gets me so far in finding quality posts.

Any help would be appreciated.

Start 2 profiles. One that's a direct P2P type profile and an emotionally tinged profile. With Intro letters to match the profiles. I do great with my P2P profile, but I only target 18-22. Which they like. Sometimes I go to maybe 28. Older gals do want some serious convo. Something I don't have a lot of time for. And good luck, just be patiently persistent in your hunting.

**VaSD1** · 10-15-14 17:53

On SA, her name is SweetBella2014. Started emailing last Thursday, met for meet and greet on Friday. All seemed okay, made plans to hook up this morning. Walking her to her car she gave me the "my phone is about to be shut off" routine so I fronted her. 9 to take care of it. On Friday she had another emergency and begged me to send. 5 into her account, I bit and I did. Told her not to call or text over the weekend (she at least honored that). By yesterday am it was another series of oh-woe-is-me's (car accident, mom has cancer, etc.) and could we meet early because she really needed the money (I'm thinking WTF, you are already into me for 1. 4, do you think you're going to get anymore?) This morning I blew her off and took the loss. Too much drama for me. If you decide to pursue this one be careful and don't let her hook you for any cash up front and be prepared for the drama. Lesson learned for me.

**Minnanon** · 10-15-14 17:15

Okay, I recently tried to step into the world of the bowl. I'm using the SA site.

Here's my situation. I can get lots of traction with the 30+ set. Already had one date, and two more lined up.

But I can't seem to make any headway with the 22-30 year olds.

I am vertically challenged. My first date and I did not have chemistry. I was too short. She was butter. But we had a lot in common, had a fun dinner, and I teased out some info, told her she needed to be my virtual wing man.

1. I am not "hot", but above average for looks / build in my age range, in the area I am looking.

2. My income / wealth is in the 90th percentile. There are a few guys with net worth about 10 x mine, I'm at the top of the rest.

3. Given the response she gets, (she's an art model, and hotter than a lot of the 20 somethings) there's only a couple dozen guys actively hunting my patch.

I've tried:

1. Long winded approach which expands on my profile, tinged with humor.

2. One liners, usually smart-assed and playing off her profile.

3. Short approach which tries to spark a conversation based on something in her profile.

4. Straightforward one-liners. "You seem interesting, how about a drink. ".

5. Neanderthal one-liners. "You have the tightest ass on this site, how about a drink. ".

6. Drive by favorite-ing without a message.

I can't ever close, because I can't open. I do okay in person, but I don't seem to have a feel for online stuff. Tips?

I've been reading this forum, but there's so many posts and the search only gets me so far in finding quality posts.

Any help would be appreciated.

**JoeBlowDC** · 10-15-14 15:56

And as of right now the profile was deleted.

Another point of note, this girl's grammer and syntax were TERRIBLE nad only used general terms like referring to the state instead of a city or town.

**JZLizard** · 10-15-14 15:27

I've got a patented formula for scam avoidance that I'd be willing to license for a small setup fee plus monthly stipends.

Here's the secret recipe:

1. Play first.

2. Pay second.

I'm offering a 30 day free trial, or your money back *.

* Please note, in order to receive processing of your refund, you'll need to visit our headquarters in Liberia to fill out the paperwork.

Seriously though. Don't pay in advance.

**GeorgeRichmond** · 10-15-14 14:30

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

If someone is not within your geographic comfort zone (for me that's 50 miles), don't even read their message. Just delete it.

I completely agree. Why will you entertain anyone outside certain miles, unless you are traveling to those places. Block them.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-15-14 13:45

Originally Posted by FeelGoodMd [View Original Post]

Any Pot who contacts you from Africa or Eastern Europe, run away. Anyone who asks for money sight unseen for an "emergency," run away.

If someone is not within your geographic comfort zone (for me that's 50 miles), don't even read their message. Just delete it.

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-15-14 10:46

Originally Posted by RedBred [View Original Post]

Can you share more details and links?

RB.

Any Pot who contacts you from Africa or Eastern Europe, run away. Anyone who asks for money sight unseen for an "emergency," run away.

**JeanSaulPartre** · 10-15-14 09:42

What playing in the bowl made me realize, how overblown this is / was. I think this might've been promulgated by the professional women who realized that many a client cannot finish with a condom on. So some tricks have been invented to help that problem.

Just IMHO, a hot 20 year old who granted you bareback access needs no special skill set. Except maybe spreading her legs and maybe flipping on command. Most of them can manage these.

And I normally can manage the rest.

**BamBam** · 10-15-14 07:36

Originally Posted by JoeBlowDC [View Original Post]

Ok fellas watch out for the kids / nigerians / whothe*uckever is doing an ewhoring campaign on SA. This last one got me with the *updates* to and pulling in the dead father angle. The second email was straight out of a porn movie.

Every vigilant boys, ever vigilant.

Can you share more details and links?

RB.

**HollywoodGuy** · 10-14-14 19:40

Originally Posted by DirtyDeeds38 [View Original Post]

Well I'm in my mid 40's and never had such an easy time bagging 20-somethings in all my life. And having some great sex. But I will say there is no way I can ever look at a 40 year old woman the same again. I don't care how hot she is. SB changed that forever. But women have their day in their 20's. So it's nature way of evening things out I suppose. And I intend to act on it. The best part? Many of these girls I've interacted with, actually desire me completely and want something more. I refuse to allow that to happen again, but it's refreshing knowing I'm not completely off limits due to my age, etc.

Far from off limits. I know everyone says without the money you wouldn't get the pussy. But even if you were a 20 something guy, try dating a girl from beverly hills or wherever and not have any money and see how far that goes. Every young guy out here with a job that likes chasing pussy has a European car. Its almost laughable, mostly because they still live with their parents. Even my daughter has a better car than me. (and lives at home).