"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Its really more like 500 shades. I believe the internet is responsible for all this (based on what the young girls tell me). And thank the lord we lived long enough to experience it. Well I been sending my new intro letter here and there and for different reasons too nuanced to explain here. The one I have posted on this thread before.

Got this response yesterday.

"My reason for coming here is for the physical mostly. I've been exploring my own body. And I'm ready to share it with someone else. Emotionally. I'm going to be involved whether we become friends or lovers. Financial things come and go. So I'm not going to base a relationship off of that. ".

19 AA maybe a 7 all around so far. After a bit of txting she decided that taking any money at all would be against her morals. And she is a virgin. I have never done one, although I have talked to a few, but they always chickened out. I will update when I have more.

The one girl I see off SD4M that refuses to take any sugar, gives absolutely the best oral ever. She is not my body type physically, but i can't stop going back for more. Also on another topic, I been visiting the cam sites. They are all free to watch and it is giving me some good pointers. Also have been backing down 4 out of 5 of my regulars to about 2 visits a month, I am really curious to see what else is out there. I recently got ditched by another girl (that was becoming a regular) after 10 dates due to my inability to see her once a week. But a lot of girls are very busy and grateful to have a nice guy to see here and there. I remember when I first went in the bowl and I would see these girls profiles that wanted to see someone like once or twice a week, and thinking, this is bs, if I like some one I want to see them all the time. Not anymore

[JZLizard]

My newest 21 year old sugar baby is blowing my mind and the next on my list I've been texting has even more. Both look like they just stepped out of "hot nun school" conservatively dressed, wear glasses, meek, mild mannered. Both want me to tie them up, fulfill a light rape fantasy, gag them, fuck their face and force cum down their throats. I am not joking about this. It's is blowing my mind what these girls are into and want these days. They are outright actively looking for it. One after another.

So I've began asking them, how, or what happened to make them want sex this way. Both described meeting someone into dominate sex and that they tested their limits, taking total control and something just switched on inside them.

I have truly awoken to the twilight zone. It's like I'm entirely having to relearn how to have sex with women of this age group and honestly, I'm not entirely sure I like it. Are these girls just fucked up, or is this truly the way women have always been wired inside and I just missed the entire ship?

I think some women are just wired this way. Exposure to porn has made them feel licensed to request things they might have felt culturally restricted to request or try before. I remember being a freshman in high school, and a girlfriend I had that was only a year older than me decided she had a rape fantasy -- this was revealed to me only about six months after I took her virginity. Consider the age bracket and level of experience in question as I talk about this.

She wanted it to be as realistic as possible, preferably with me gaining entry into her house at a time when her parents weren't there but when she didn't expect it and catching her by surprise, rough enough to make it realistically forcible (but not rough enough to cause injury), with me never coming out of character of "the stranger". She literally wanted to know what it was like to get fucked against her will. Well we did some kinky shit but never were able to enact that particular fantasy -- there were a number of obstacles like of course the risk of me getting shot by her parents or a neighbor, the fact I wasn't old enough to have a drivers license at the time, etc.

As far as her porn exposure, I know for a fact her first viewing of a porn video took place at my house, and they were pretty much mainstream porn (nothing rough) so this idea came to her some other way. This girl was not a notable wild child or anything like todays SB or UTR girl. She had 2-3 long term boyfriends after me in high school, went to a good college paid in full by parents and got a great job (now married with kids). Just mainstream middle class girl.

So, I think the desire is always there in some of them. What we see now is more of a manifestation of it and some ideas inspired by porn exposure. Girls never made intentional gagging noises and spit on cock while deep throating until they watched enough porn to become interested in reenacting some of the things they saw there.

This is one of the things I mean by it's not always a good thing. Personally I would rather these girls just be who they are in bed. Some will want it rougher, some not so rough.

Individuality is much more sexy than formulaic routines inspired by whatever the latest mainstream porn trend is. Things lose value to me once they've "gone viral" and everybody is doing them. Female porn stars now routinely practice "squirting" because its currently popular. I'd rather see genuine creativity in bed. Individual desires are far more sexy.

These days porn has been turned into an assembly-line process, where female porn stars feel the need to practice the techniques that appeal to viewers and male porn stars have to use drugs just to get the job done. Why anyone would want to imitate that is beyond me.

[FredMoore]

So I've began asking them, how, or what happened to make them want sex this way. Both described meeting someone into dominate sex and that they tested their limits, taking total control and something just switched on inside them.

I have truly awoken to the twilight zone. It's like I'm entirely having to relearn how to have sex with women of this age group and honestly, I'm not entirely sure I like it. Are these girls just fucked up, or is this truly the way women have always been wired inside and I just missed the entire ship?

"50 Shades of Gray" phenomenon coupled with porn access. Hollywood is the resident expert. Re: Porn, the highest quality models are off of this site I*m*g*you*are / are / triple x. After the last slash replace xxx with full Bush, girls, legal teens, etc and mountains of pics and movies will come up . You will never log off. So the girls see all this happening with guys built like a Kielbasa magnum.

The problem I see is that people are losing perspective about "making love" to the point where plain vanilla fucking is just too boring, and 40 yr old women are unacceptable when competing against 20 yr old Babes with 19 " waists and 32 D Chests. There is no wife or GF who can compare to half the SBs I have had the pleasure to fuck ,either in the build department or skills .

[DirtyDeeds38]

I have observed same. Availability of porn has completely changed how women behave in bed. That's not always a bad thing, but it's not always good either.

My newest 21 year old sugar baby is blowing my mind and the next on my list I've been texting has even more. Both look like they just stepped out of "hot nun school" conservatively dressed, wear glasses, meek, mild mannered. Both want me to tie them up, fulfill a light rape fantasy, gag them, fuck their face and force cum down their throats. I am not joking about this. It's is blowing my mind what these girls are into and want these days. They are outright actively looking for it. One after another.

So I've began asking them, how, or what happened to make them want sex this way. Both described meeting someone into dominate sex and that they tested their limits, taking total control and something just switched on inside them.

I have truly awoken to the twilight zone. It's like I'm entirely having to relearn how to have sex with women of this age group and honestly, I'm not entirely sure I like it. Are these girls just fucked up, or is this truly the way women have always been wired inside and I just missed the entire ship?

[JZLizard]

It struck me as the reporter connecting her 'dating" was not an SD / SB experience. . or, maybe she did not reveal she was accepting some financial help. She was enjoying a lifestyle of a guy she was dating. Happens all the time. I mean all SD's have yachts and stuff. Right. LOL.

"Enjoying a lifestyle" is accepting things you wouldn't otherwise have. Cash, caviar, wisdom about life, industry connections, etc.. it really doesn't matter. If you are with someone solely for the purpose of extracting valuables from them (whether those valuables are tangible or intangible) rather than genuine feelings it is still prostitution. Now there is a big difference between what she admitted to (true SB behavior with a single guy) and a pay-per-session UTR girl. Within the realm of prostitution (and using people for personal gain) there is a very wide moral spectrum.

[LikeMike1963]

It struck me as the reporter connecting her 'dating" was not an SD / SB experience. . or, maybe she did not reveal she was accepting some financial help. She was enjoying a lifestyle of a guy she was dating. Happens all the time. I mean all SD's have yachts and stuff. Right. LOL.

This feature CNN show is bad news. UTR SDs do not need exposure to our world at large (ie SOs) . What if our suspicious (already) SOs start asking about SA and have we ever done that??

On the up side, new Pot Babies might join the market looking for their share of the action.

[HollywoodGuy]

HWG. I don't want to pry into your personal life, but how do you find the time for all your exploits?

How do you keep all the multiple conversations going?

I only do 4 basic things everyday, 7 days a week . Work, eat, sleep and socialize.

Work - 8 hours. And I work online so I can check in to the sites or my email without effecting my job performance.

Eat - 2 hours.

Sleep - 7 hours.

That leaves 7 hours a day to network or date. Plenty of time to get the job done, almost. I am single and every girl knows I date a lot, so I don't really have to waste time covering my tracks.

[JZLizard]

I think the major generational difference is the access to porn for any sb less than 30.

This has skewed their view on sexual relations.

I am was somewhat surprised when my first SB wanted me to slap her hard, and wanted to be degraded.

Based on what I am reading here, this seems to be common behavior.

I have observed same. Availability of porn has completely changed how women behave in bed. That's not always a bad thing, but it's not always good either.

[Latex]

We call the Prophet, HollywoodGuy.

HWG. I don't want to pry into your personal life, but how do you find the time for all your exploits?

How do you keep all the multiple conversations going?

[Latex]

Never assume, but at least 50% of the time you are good to go on some level. From just taking what you want up to choking and smacking, age playing, tied up and heavy pounding. And lots of dirty talk telling them who they are and their purpose in life. And always make them repeat it back to you verbatim.

I think the major generational difference is the access to porn for any sb less than 30.

This has skewed their view on sexual relations.

I am was somewhat surprised when my first SB wanted me to slap her hard, and wanted to be degraded.

Based on what I am reading here, this seems to be common behavior.

[JZLizard]

This feature CNN show is bad news. UTR SDs do not need exposure to our world at large (ie SOs) . What if our suspicious (already) SOs start asking about SA and have we ever done that??

On the up side, new Pot Babies might join the market looking for their share of the action.

I think our SOs already have a lot of exposure to the SB / SD scene. The chick shows they watch bring up SA and similar sites about once every few weeks at least. As far as them asking questions, you just handle it like any other question like "why didn't you answer your phone"? What I do is just answer the question in a way that doesn't encourage further interrogation. For example if my GF asked me if I've ever had a profile on one of those sites I would just say "are you offering to be my SB? How much would you charge me"? That would likely get a laugh out of her and throw her off track at the same time.

[HollywoodGuy]

So after all that, should I know just fucking assume, no matter how passive and laid back any of these girls are, they all want it rough? Is that why many are looking for a SD? Cause this is like the fourth girl who came across as someone who could never be into that type of sex, who is!

Never assume, but at least 50% of the time you are good to go on some level. From just taking what you want up to choking and smacking, age playing, tied up and heavy pounding. And lots of dirty talk telling them who they are and their purpose in life. And always make them repeat it back to you verbatim.

[Irate Pirate]

So after all that, should I know just fucking assume, no matter how passive and laid back any of these girls are, they all want it rough? Is that why many are looking for a SD? Cause this is like the fourth girl who came across as someone who could never be into that type of sex, who is!

Yep, I just re-joined SA last Friday.

Already have 3 pot local to Hampton Roads. And they all like it rough. The beauty is, 2 of the 3 aren't even looking for gifts, they are just looking for a nice hotel room *LOL*.

Don't fight it. Seriously it's a beautiful thing.

[FredMoore]

Well I guess this answered my question above and confirmed the twinkle in her eye. Lisa Ling now admits she was once an SB. LOL.

And of course she needed to go to the Seeking Arrangement party for. You guessed it -- research.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/living...html?hpt=hp_c2

This feature CNN show is bad news. UTR SDs do not need exposure to our world at large (ie SOs) . What if our suspicious (already) SOs start asking about SA and have we ever done that??

On the up side, new Pot Babies might join the market looking for their share of the action.

[DirtyDeeds38]

The girls are everywhere and more willing then ever! But I need some advise brothers. .

Too many choices in all honesty, but I am truly misguided at judging what some of, if not most of these girls want sexually. Do they truly all want rough dominate sex? Is that why the average girl is truly on the SD websites? Cause almost all the girls I've met want to be taken with authority and treated very aggressively in the bedroom, no matter how meek they seem when you communicate and meet them.

I went outside my normal range of girl I typically go for. I emailed several new prospects and had most all them on the hook, but went with a 21 year old girl from the middle East. She had olive skin, 5'2" very petite and very pretty. I've never been with this type of girl, but figured why not. She was a true college baby, living on campus and attending school fulltime.

We emailed and texted for two days, all signs pointed towards a reserved, shy and laid back potential baby. Nothing about sex, etc, but casual mentions of going to the FC. She gave off signs about being scared, nervous, but excited, etc. Etc. The day of our date and M&G my time became more limited and she agreed reluctantly to meet at the room and we would have drinks, chat etc. But she was admittedly nervous about that.

In the room comes this beautiful, conservatively dressed, little makeup, very petite little spinner of a 21 year old woman. Very well spoken, educated and knowledgeable beyond her years. A true classic and classy young lady. She reveals after about ten minutes of conversation and a few beers that she is quite comfortable with me and knows and can tell I'm a nice guy. About fifteen minutes later, I lean in for a kiss that turned fairly passionate. She asks if I want to cuddle on the bed and we move to the bed. Long story short, we had what I called some very passionate sex, more on the sensual side. She came about three times and after a long session of me DATY and fingering her Gspot pretty intensely she is crying out, "fuck me, fuck me and she is literally almost in tears from cumming. Very nice! So we fuck and it was fairly intense, she cums a few more times. Then she kinda freaks out and tells me, "don't cum in me, we did not use a condom, I want to suck you off and make you cum in my mouth. " Fine we with and she proceeds to give me an amazing BBBJ until I explode in her mouth.

We rest for about ten minutes and then I'm back DATY on her, another big O for her and more fucking. I do not cum the second time. We cuddle for a bit, make pillow talk, hug, kiss, give each other compliments and agree this is a good thing and we will see each other.

So after she leaves, we call up each other and discuss more about what we just did and she invites me to express what I like sexually. (well that what we just did was pretty fucking good in my book I'm thinking) So I tell her a few things and invite her to do the same. AND HERE AND THERE IT IS AGAIN! I'm thinking we just had really great sex and she proceeds to tell me how she likes it rough. Very rough, to be pinned down, fucked really hard, cum shot on her face and face fucked, fingers in her ass, and how she can squirt and cum 15-20 times per session. NEVER saw it coming from this one.

So after all that, should I know just fucking assume, no matter how passive and laid back any of these girls are, they all want it rough? Is that why many are looking for a SD? Cause this is like the fourth girl who came across as someone who could never be into that type of sex, who is!