"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FeelGoodMd]

I just had another "how much money" text conversation with a POT from SA. The way it ended made me chuckle. She outed herself without even knowing it.

Pot: I'm use to receiving $$$$$ to 10$. Totally understandable if that is not in your range.

Me: If we see each other once or twice week, that's very reasonable for a monthly total.

Pot: Oh ok. I wasn't talking about per month. I was referring to per visit. The lowest I would go would be $$$$$.

Me: I think you'll have to look for other clients, (name). Best of luck.

Pot: Sucks that it won't work out, but good luck to you as well.

I know of no true SB (or even self-deluded UTR who thinks she's an SB) who refers to SD's as "clients. ".

I'm doing my best to diagnose and treat GPS and UTR.

Dr Feelgood.

[JZLizard]

I have been a member of a private forum like this for years on a national basis. The talk is detailed and down and dirty with no issues. Keep in mind a private Email account is not a forum open to the general public and possibly random age inappropriate log ons, and is protected by privacy laws. The talk is informational and not to promote any particular individual or activity. In general it is wise not to discuss sex and money in the same setting anyway .

I'm not saying curtail the dirty talk, I'm saying if you choose to discuss illegal things on the servers of US regulated companies, you should at least know what you're getting into.

The NSA already intercepted all of Google's e-mail communications. I'm sorry but your perception of e-mail communication privacy is way off. I'm in this industry, I've been doing this for decades.

I'm not saying you WILL get busted, I'm just saying that when presented with the option of discussing SBs (which is legal) using language which is not legal, while being simultaneously oblivious to the risks, would be incredibly unwise.

Again the most important thing to know here is that USASG is a business that has an interest in protecting your anonymity. Google, Yahoo, etc. Are exactly the opposite. It's not likely that the feds will come knocking on your door over a misdemeanor activity, but if one of the members of your group ends up getting involved in something that's high profile, like the Google exec and the heroin death (or similar high profile case), it's possible anyone involved with the person in question could get some unwanted attention.

There are risks in the game already no matter what -- I'm not saying don't take any risks at all, I'm just saying know what they are.

[JZLizard]

My apologies, the group I am referring to is a Google Group, not Yahoo.

The same cautions I mentioned would apply to any of them, be sure to read the TOS. Remember also that Google is the company that mined the contents of their customer's gmail accounts so they could sell the data to advertising firms. They are also the company that the NSA intercepted and decrypted all their data communications.

Don't trust a private gmail account much less a group. Big brother is watching.

[HollywoodGuy]

Five dates and so far so good. 5'7" 125.

[FredMoore]

My apologies, the group I am referring to is a Google Group, not Yahoo.

[FredMoore]

If a Yahoo group is created. And trust me on the following piece of advice as I do have some inside insight here. Please be very sure you are committed to making absolutely NOTHING even remotely pertaining to sex for money is posted.

It's right there in the TOS "intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable local, state, national or international law, including, but not limited to, regulations promulgated by the USA Securities and Exchange Commission, any rules of any national or other securities exchange, including, without limitation, the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange, or the NASDAQ, and any regulations having the force of law;.

Unlike a forum like this who operates in a way that has incentive to provide their users anonymity, Yahoo has incentive to detect dubious activity on their servers and proactively bring LE attention to it.

It won't matter that it's a private forum. Being a true SD is not illegal, just make sure you don't discuss anything that is on that medium. It's easy to get caught up in the similarities between sugarbabies and pros and discuss them in a way that's risky from a LE perspective.

I have been a member of a private forum like this for years on a national basis. The talk is detailed and down and dirty with no issues. Keep in mind a private Email account is not a forum open to the general public and possibly random age inappropriate log ons, and is protected by privacy laws. The talk is informational and not to promote any particular individual or activity. In general it is wise not to discuss sex and money in the same setting anyway .

[BamBam]

I know some guys on the board have told their SB what is being said about them. I had an irritating experience with an SB a while ago and made a public complaint. Some "friend" or other SD told her and she confronted me. My complaint was valid but her circumstances were extenuating. It was very awkward but we got past it and had a great run together. Keep the info to facts and no one can complain. In Escort terms YMMV.

I would be interested to know 1) is she seeing other SDs? 2) Is she a Pro? 3) any drama like flaking?

Does someone have the tech savvy to set up a Yahoo account with multiple users by invitation only?

I am convinced one or more of the guys on the site would eventually spill to one or more of the SB's resulting in all kinds of hell until it settled down.

RB.

[JZLizard]

I agree with you and the three areas of interest. Yahoo group is great idea.

If a Yahoo group is created. And trust me on the following piece of advice as I do have some inside insight here. Please be very sure you are committed to making absolutely NOTHING even remotely pertaining to sex for money is posted.

It's right there in the TOS "intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable local, state, national or international law, including, but not limited to, regulations promulgated by the USA Securities and Exchange Commission, any rules of any national or other securities exchange, including, without limitation, the New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange, or the NASDAQ, and any regulations having the force of law;.

Unlike a forum like this who operates in a way that has incentive to provide their users anonymity, Yahoo has incentive to detect dubious activity on their servers and proactively bring LE attention to it.

It won't matter that it's a private forum. Being a true SD is not illegal, just make sure you don't discuss anything that is on that medium. It's easy to get caught up in the similarities between sugarbabies and pros and discuss them in a way that's risky from a LE perspective.

[GeorgeRichmond]

I know some guys on the board have told their SB what is being said about them. I had an irritating experience with an SB a while ago and made a public complaint. Some "friend" or other SD told her and she confronted me. My complaint was valid but her circumstances were extenuating. It was very awkward but we got past it and had a great run together. Keep the info to facts and no one can complain. In Escort terms YMMV.

I would be interested to know 1) is she seeing other SDs? 2) Is she a Pro? 3) any drama like flaking?

Does someone have the tech savvy to set up a Yahoo account with multiple users by invitation only?

I agree with you and the three areas of interest. Yahoo group is great idea.

[FredMoore]

I know some guys on the board have told their SB what is being said about them. I had an irritating experience with an SB a while ago and made a public complaint. Some "friend" or other SD told her and she confronted me. My complaint was valid but her circumstances were extenuating. It was very awkward but we got past it and had a great run together. Keep the info to facts and no one can complain. In Escort terms YMMV.

I would be interested to know 1) is she seeing other SDs? 2) Is she a Pro? 3) any drama like flaking?

Does someone have the tech savvy to set up a Yahoo account with multiple users by invitation only?

[CaneBay]

Check Pot profiles with guys in your shopping district by PM. We can discover SBs who are multifucking, pros, or scammers. Each SD is hitting the same girls hard in each given area, so we are not tipping our hands by indicating interest. A bona fide monogamous Baby is going to vet a lot of profiles and settle on one Daddy. A user will sign up with multiples, and it is good to know if your Pot is working the system.

I asked for intel about an SB outside my area and got great info. I would have to exceed my safety parameters to hook her up so I wanted to know if she was an UTR. She was! So I backed off since I do not want to take a risk for a Pro. Lets' network more.

This is a great idea and works well. Keep in contact with the SD's in your area. It is also a great way to check if your SB is lying or not to you. Have a fellow SD contact and verify / discredit info. Another benefit is that you can bounce ideas off each other.

[FredMoore]

Check Pot profiles with guys in your shopping district by PM. We can discover SBs who are multifucking, pros, or scammers. Each SD is hitting the same girls hard in each given area, so we are not tipping our hands by indicating interest. A bona fide monogamous Baby is going to vet a lot of profiles and settle on one Daddy. A user will sign up with multiples, and it is good to know if your Pot is working the system.

I asked for intel about an SB outside my area and got great info. I would have to exceed my safety parameters to hook her up so I wanted to know if she was an UTR. She was! So I backed off since I do not want to take a risk for a Pro. Lets' network more.

[FredMoore]

I've got four regular escorts, each of whom qualifies (equally, although for different reasons) as an ATF. They range in price from down-right unbelievably inexpensive (25 per) to barely affordable for me (per). On average, I'd say I spend about $$ per.

My escort experience is damn good (in regard to quality and GFE experience. What I seek), but it seems a SB would offer the likelihood / prospect of more monogamous (notice the qualifier, "more") relationship. Something I'd rather have. Also, if possible, I'd like to improve the cost / per situation. The tradeoffs seem to be: escort-relatively effortless; SB-a good deal of work.

1. COST. HERE'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. From reading the forum, I can't determine whether the cost is less, about the same or more. I note that several of you have done the escort and the SB thing. What say you about relative cost? Seems to me, many of you get SBs at $per and that would improve the cost. If the norm is $$ per, then seems to me I break even and then it all comes down to effort and availability. Higher than $$per, then I think my cost is less with escorts.

2. I know there are two specific sites that seem to command the attention of bowl-participants. SA and SD4 M. Question TWO: I've not signed up on these as I'm unwilling to put up a credit-card number and will have to get a hobby-prepaid-card if it is worth the effort. I've tried to work the CL approach, and damn that is hard work for very little reward. So, the specifics on how to work the dedicated-SB cites are a little light, and unless it's more efficient than working (or trying to work) CL, I'm not sure it's worth my effort to go get a pre-paid card and try the commercial sites. Anyone got any specifics to pass along?

3. Final question: anyone have suggestions / experience to report on the small town opportunities? My town is 3000-6000 population (depending whether you count only my town or the adjacent one 10 miles away), and 2-3 hours from the major population center - 350,000 population.

All input will be received appreciatively and evaluated carefully.

RiverGriz.

Some basic Questions:

1) do you have time flexibility? Are you free to come and go when you want and do you have blocks of time to be away?

2) How important is variety?

3) do you have enough money to date as well as pay the fee?

4) CAN you wine and dine an SB?

1) COST: escort is cheaper. An SB requires courting including multiple communications, the M&G,the Dinner and Drinks, Hotel (or FC as we say) ,"allowance" which many want monthly, gifts, emergency calls for $ Help, travel for you or her. , and that is just the beginning. An escort comes with FC, no courting, no exposure in public, etc.

2) Sites: each area of the country is a little different. You need to see what comes up in your area on a Google search. Reach out to other boards in Alaska to see if any local guys can tip you off. SA and SDFM work in VA. Mainly SA. Sign up for many for free and as JL says, see how many girls are there AND signed in within 2 weeks. Many sites have a 1000 girls in my area but omly 14 within the past 2 weeks.

3) small towns: the world is a small place and even smaller in a small town. You will bump into someone you don't want to in town, especially if you are dating SBs. If you have the time and money to go to the bigger town work that area. Its a lot more work and trouble.

A Question: Ask your super ATF escort what it would take to make her yours. Are you willing to give up the variety?

A story: My ATF escort I saw weekly for $200/ pop. She had 2 kids and desperately wanted to get one guy and leave the business. Her Number was $32,000/ year. I could afford her at that for a monogamous fuck buddy on call any and everytime I wanted her. But I like variety and would tire of the same ole after a while.

Monogamy: Rare with even SBs. Many are playing multiple Daddies not to mention a BF. Why not? They can double or triple their income for an extra hour or two. So if you find a low volume escort who you like, go for it.

[JZLizard]

I sometimes go a week or two without checking back here, other times I check back multiple times per day. I just checked and saw a post called "Daddy's Little Angel" in another thread, which talked about a disappointing experience someone got in South Florida. Referenced thread here: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...s-Little-Angel.

Without intentional disrespect to that particular poster----Guys, I'm known for my directness so I'm going to be as crystal fucking clear as I can. If she wants payment first, she is an escort. Plain and simple. Not UTR, not maybe kinda-sorta, and for fucks sake don't think she's new at this so she needs some level of reassurance and that cash will help reassure her -- if you believe that you're being played, you are. A girl that takes payment before the deed is done a PRO!. She might as well swipe your credit card with a magnetic card reader on her phone.

You can identify a real SB by whether she "dates you" before any money changes hands. Don't be a chump and pay her first. I can tell you there is an entire SD culture that does not revolve around this particular thread.

Pre-agreed arrangement is one thing (and while I personally don't do that, you will encounter a request for it if you're in the bowl for any length of time) .

Pre-payment is something else entirely. Don't pre-pay if you want to be an SD. If you've known an SB for a while, and if she has delivered well on her promises consistently in the past (you've fucked her multiple times already and are happy with results) and have an instinctual good vibe about her personality, then use your judgment about advance allowances. It's okay to take good care of the good girls (and you should). But this is NOT the same as advancing money to someone you've never fucked, or even fucked only once. Doing so wrecks your own chances of future success and hurts the bowl overall. Bros before Hoes. You came here to get advice, so there it is.

[Dandy Don]

Next time I meet my new SB will likely be in a hotel. I did this once before at a lower end chain with my original SB and I paid cash although they still insisted on seeing my DL. But with this new SB I want a nicer hotel and my question is, will they typically let you pay or reserve with only a prepaid CC? Using my own CC is not an option.