"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Met this Latina for dinner last night. I had actually deleted her number after talking to her a couple weeks ago. She seemed a little distant. But she txted me last nite right as I was going out to eat, so good timing. She was nice enough, a little thick in the middle from bein a mom. She was kinda shy but said I could fuck her this Sunday. I might, as she can drive to me and she lives far away. Says she hasnt had any in a few months. She also mentioned that the few guys she did meet were kinda dorky and awkward and nothing ever happened. I hear that a lot.

[ThirdCoaster]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

This advice is for you if you use SA.

I believe that when women see your email, the first thing they look at is your pic.

Then if you meet their minimum attractiveness requirement, they read your profile.

When they read your profile, they want to see congruency between the email and the profile.

So if you're saying you're a fun guy looking for fun, don't be posting a pic of you looking all serious and creepy.

The way I do things is I use a short intro email saying I read their profile and they sound fun and I'd love to brainstorm fun stuff with them. Once they reply I'll email small talk back and forth two or three times. Then I'll move the conversation to texting. When I'm texting, I'm setting the meet and I'm teasing them sexually. This progression let's things happen pretty naturally with very little talk of money.

What's the rational for posting a similar looking pic?

[HollywoodGuy]

My new SB is so cute. And smart. Not that I ever make that a qualification. 5'7 and 125 ..

[HollywoodGuy]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

Glad I like black girls. $$ really is the rate for a fine ass white girl.

[HollywoodGuy]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

Flake rate can be high. Double book.

[Brian139]

Ok, how many of you met your young SB and find out her mom actually drove her there and knows that she is going to see an SD? Would you go say Hi to her mom?

[Latex]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

[Latex]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

[JZLizard]

" Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open" . JL.

So JL, are you going to keep us waiting? Did you pop that cherry? Tell us about it. Pain? Suffering? Blood everywhere? Or did you activate your extreme mojo to anesthetize her to accomplish the deed?

Virgins are actually a big responsibility to get them acclimated to the sex world in a positive way. It is our duty! Hoo Rah!

LOL. I only mentioned that as an illustration of how an extreme case of a "good girl" can become not such a good girl in a very short period of time. She was a find on a civy dating site, so to get "too deep in all the gory details" (heh) are a little off topic for this forum. I usually try to keep my posts somehow relevant to the sugarbowl and that full story would be headed down a different path for sure. If you're really curious about the outcome shoot me an e-mail -- the details are "unique" and could identify me personally because I've told this story to people who know me personally so I won't post too much info publicly. I'm not a fan of oversharing.

[FredMoore]

" Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open" . JL.

So JL, are you going to keep us waiting? Did you pop that cherry? Tell us about it. Pain? Suffering? Blood everywhere? Or did you activate your extreme mojo to anesthetize her to accomplish the deed?

Virgins are actually a big responsibility to get them acclimated to the sex world in a positive way. It is our duty! Hoo Rah!

[HollywoodGuy]

Been on four dates so far. She hasn't logged on to the SD site since I met her. So far so good.

[JZLizard]

The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.

The BDSM community probably has a different definition of role playing than I do, and perhaps mine isn't correct, but to me if she's calling someone daddy that is not in fact her father, that's role playing rather than reality.

[HollywoodGuy]

There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship.

The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.

[JZLizard]

I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.

Heh. Yeah but I see that as good and bad in the role playing sense. In that case they can be whatever they choose to be (or daddy wants them to be) that day like someone can be Spiderman at those comic conventions if they want. It's like putting on a costume. When I said there's no good and bad anymore, I just meant in the sense of the previous poster's comment. There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship. I haven't even heard of one of those in a long time.

Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open. Yet, despite being extremely cute, she had not been fucked yet -- and she jumped into bed with a guy she met on the Internet just that day. It's not that she was unwilling or saving it for marriage, she just had not yet encountered someone with the "salesmanship" to get her into bed yet (me). I don't even know what the odds are of a nice looking girl making it into her 20's with her virginity in tact these days, but the fact that when a unicorn is found, that they will climb into bed with someone they just met that day says a lot about the upper-end of possibilities of todays "good girl". A dying breed for the most part.

[HollywoodGuy]

The younger generations grew up with easy access to porn (so easy that it would be hard for them to get away with it), whereas there was a time decades back when I can remember having to literally teach girls how to give a BJ because they had never seen it done, as in never saw a porno apparently (there is an iconic scene in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that some of you might remember where Phoebe Cates is showing Jennifer Jason Leigh how to do it using a carrot at the lunch table -- it wasn't that far off from the reality of the day).

This access to porn has really changed things -- for better in some ways and worse in others. Good in the sense that there is a tremendous amount of sexual experimentation, freedom, and efficiency of hookup thanks to the Internet. On the other hand, I've met girls that literally learned what they know about sex from watching porn, so they try to re-enact what porn stars do (spitting, making gagging noises while sucking, etc.). While I admire the activities themselves, I really wish some of these ladies would be themselves sexually and focus on what really turns them on rather than trying to imitate something they've seen in fictitious porn films. Ever notice how everyone's a "squirter" these days? Most of these girls don't know the difference between true squirting and "gushing" (essentially pissing). They don't realize that professional porn stars have to practice this, often using the insertion of water in order to give the impression of a massive "splash" orgasm. Yes some girls let their bladder go during orgasm, but true female ejaculant as recorded by medical science is pretty much never like that. But, these girls don't care, they've seen lots of porn with "squirters" that are spraying about a half pint of water so they think they need to keep up and be a squirter too.

Like I said, there is good and bad to this kind of changing times. Sometimes I look at the clothes women wore back in the '80's, like jeans that really revealed their shape and gave us a good idea what their ass would look like once you peeled the jeans off. Then sometime around the mid 90's they started coming out with low hip hugging jeans that basically make every girls ass look kind of flat and square shaped. Makes it harder to know who you really want sitting on your face and who you don't. Then there's the whole tattoo thing -- in modest amounts there was a time the right tattoo on the right woman was kind of sexy, but when every whale you see at Walmart is all inked up it sort of takes some of the mystique and allure out of it I think.

But, you're right. There are really no good and bad girls anymore. They're pretty much all "bad" now but in a "good" way, depending on one's perspective and position in life I guess.

I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.