"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

POT 1: Ivy league girl next door. Pretty. Have a good chat with her. At this point, I haven't read this forum, so I'm winging it. I feel like we hit it off pretty well, but she wants 750/ date. Yeah, no. I talk her down to 500, but I still felt that was within norm for what I've paid high end escorts, so sure. Maybe. Let's see what else is out there.

As a favor to everyone here (and especially yourself), please don't pay $$$$$ for this girl. You have so many POTS to choose from and you are just getting rolling. Good Luck. But it it seems you have no trouble making your own.

[Mfp79]

Hey all. Like I said in my last post, thanks for all the info. You guys have been really helpful. I'm working my way backwards after reading the first dozen or so pages. Really need a FAQ or newbie guide here to summarize the key points, but I digress.

Quick intro. I'm 35, live near Boston, married. Can only hobby during the day. I've done escorting and MPs in the past. I'm not poor, but I'm not rich either, so SBs are appealing from a lower CPO perspective as well as feeling less mechanical and cold than escorting. I dabbled with SBs a few years back, found one on SD4 M but she was super flaky and we only met up twice. Found another on CL who was really more of a UTR. That was pretty good, but again, mechanical. Moreover, very flaky. Since my hobby time is limited, I generally would rather pay a bit more to get reliable service than to waste time to save a few bucks.

Anyawy, I've spent the last few weeks messaging every girl on SA that met my criteria who's been on in in the last month or so: Available during the day (so students mostly, but some service industry and retail as well), young, and hot. Mostly white and asian girls, but some latin and african american, too. I had a lot of flakes. A lot. Here's the rundown:

POT 1: Ivy league girl next door. Pretty. Have a good chat with her. At this point, I haven't read this forum, so I'm winging it. I feel like we hit it off pretty well, but she wants 750/ date. Yeah, no. I talk her down to 500, but I still felt that was within norm for what I've paid high end escorts, so sure. Maybe. Let's see what else is out there.

Back to SA, not a lot of bites. I have no picture up at this point, which I think scared a lot of girls away. Oh well. I set something up with POT 1 and book a hotel room 2 weeks in advance. Did I mention I haven't read this forum at this point? .

Few days later I sneak away to do several M&Gs in one go. I setup 3 for the same day.

POT 2: Pretty 21 yr old Filipino with a nice rack. Seems too eager to meet, but I say fuck it. Supposed to meet for lunch. Emails just before we're supposed to meet saying she'll be an hour late. Fuck that, I think, I have two other hotties meeting me later, I don't need this flakiness. Tell her I can't do it, she goes silent.

POTs 3 and 4: Kinda dumb sounding 23 yr old brunette with a nice rack, and a pretty 22 yr old redhead student, respectively. Both no call no shows back to back on the same day. They both email me later apologizing with BS excuses. I tell them I'll be back from vacation in a week and we can try again later.

So that sucked. Ok, I feel I need guidance. I'm on lockdown for a week, so I decide to get some pointers. I find this forum. Thanks to the suggestions here, I improve my profile (face blocked out pic by default, private photos w / my face I only unlock if the girl seems real). Before I was being very targeted with my searching. Now I ratchet up the messages by a lot and do more of a shotgun approach to anyone meeting the criteria. Do less customizing of my intro message to save time. Get a lot more bites.

POT 4 was eager to meet ASAP. Cute American born Indian (dot not feather) 20 yr old college student spinner. I meet up with her, we M&G for 45 minutes or so. She's very cool, easy to talk to. I don't really get much of a sexual vibe from her, but she seems interested. We talk logistics, and when I finally bring up pricing, she says "whatever you think is fair". Ok. So we make plans for the following week to visit the FC. Great!

At this point I'm feeling pretty good, I've already got 2 M&Gs done, and I'm about to close both. Oh, hubris.

Fast forward a few days I'm supposed to meet POT 1 at the FC. Now that I've read up on the forum, I'm realizing how many mistakes I've made and how much this girl has GPS. I rationalize going through with it anyway, thinking I can talk her down to a more reasonable price after the deed is done. In retrospect, I should have canceled.

The day before I text to confirm. She confirms, but asks about price again. She's back to wanting 700. Sigh. I tell her we were down to 500, but she's not going for it. At this point it's too late for me to cancel the room so I try to get her to meet up and talk in person but she goes silent. Next day, I check in to see if she's still coming. She makes up some BS about getting an arrangement with another SD that night, and now she can't. I gripe to her about the room, but she ignores me. Ok, that sucked.

Now I have a FC, but no SB to F in the see. Back to SA. Conveniently one short 23 yo spinner POT reaches out and says she works right near the hotel I'm in. Sweet. I push to see if we can do a M&G ASAP. Lots of back and forth, turns out she's not at work, but can be there in an hour. We meet up. She's a bit of a butterface, but good body. Some tats, slutty skirt on.

I can tell it's on. We chat for maybe 5 minutes. I tell her honestly what happened (leaving out the $ issue), and let her know I'm stuck with a hotel room right around the corner if she wants to see if we have chemistry. She does!

We head up to the FC. She's on her period. Fuck this day is not going well. At this point, I'm kinda done, so I settle for a BBBJCIM. We chat for a bit after, finally talk compensation. She doesn't want to say a specific number so I give her 150, and she seems happy with that. I get the strong vibe she's more of a UTR girl. We don't make any plans to repeat other than vague promises to text. I think she's a BC keeper, maybe really freaky if she lives up the dress code. But definitely not a quality SB.

Next day, I had 3 more M&Gs planned. POT 5 - so so face, rocking body 24 yr old white girl "between jobs". POT 6 - pretty girl next door type 23 yr old latina. POT 7 - alternative looking 20 yr old white girl who seemed kinda sketchy.

POT 5 was in email hell for a long time. Lives an hour away, I kept saying don't bother coming into the city unless you're serious. She keeps pushing to come in, and I finally agree to meet. On the way she says she's lost, her phone is dying, etc. Drama. She finally shows up pretty late (I would have bailed, but had the 2 other M&Gs right afterwards). She's very apologetic, and we hit it off pretty well at the M&G. Logistically I can't make it work with her that often, but she looks like she'll be a good time. Agreed on 250.

POT 6 blows me off. Texted an hour later with a lame excuse, tries to reschedule for when she (should) know I'm not available. I tell her that doesn't work, haven't heard back since. Oh well.

POT 7 blows me off. SA profile goes away shortly after. Oh well.

Next day, I had 1 M&G planned with POT 8, a very promising blonde 24 yr old waitress. She seemed really cool, kinky, but nervous and definitely new to this scene. I hit her up shortly after she signed up on SA and had actually set this up while waiting for my BC the other day. I had a really good feeling about this one, but overnight she messaged me letting me know she had cold feet, wanted some reassurances. I didn't get a chance to reply when I saw it, and when I checked again about an hour before we were supposed to meet, she sent another message backing out. This sucked, especially given my overall luck so far (pretty shitty), but at least she was cool about it and let me know in advance. I sent her some calming email, and I'm still chipping away at her cold feet. I have a feeling this one will either be really worth the effort, or a one time thing.

Next day, I have 2 M&Gs planned. POT 2's second chance and POT 9, a different girl next door latina. POT 2 makes up excuses for being late. I don't have time to wait around, I bail.

POT 9 and I meet. She's pretty cool, not quite as pretty as her pictures. Seems a bit off, and I get a vibe towards the end like she either doesn't want to do this, or doesn't want to do me. She was supposed to follow up with me on something and hasn't yet, so I'm considering that a dead end.

Finally, today. Date with Indian POT 4 from what now seems like forever ago. Before we meet, I try to do a quick M&G with POT 10, a 25 yr old submissive AA nurse who's been hounding me to meet. She was running fairly late and my date was running early, so I cancelled that.

I meet up with my date (she's actually early!) who's wearing a really cute dress. It's lunch time so we get lunch, talk a lot. She's still really cool and easy to talk to. Head over to the FC. A bit of nerves on her side, I feel, but we get down to business and she's very responsive. Clean, smells good, loves her pussy eaten. We go two rounds before she has to run. I slip the sugar into her purse while she's showering thanks to the tips here. We make tentative plans for another date next week. I like her a lot, but her oral skills need some work. Hoping now that we've gotten some rapport I can work on training her.

That's it so far. Next week I've got a M&G with another Indian. I'm still hoping to close POT 8, a sheltered 22 yr old asian who's looking to get out of her shell. Oh, and I have either a potential for disaster or crazy sex with a 23 yr old brunette who's cheating on her boyfriend and wants me to punish her for being a bad girl.

Despite all the flakes, I'm having a good time, and really appreciate this thread. Thanks so much guys. I'll keep updating if people are interested.

[HollywoodGuy]

My second chance offer is slowly working. I got some replies from some real stunners. The kind that always seem to blow me off initially. The ones that really are the 9's and 10's in the looks dept. At this point getting the 7's is like shooting fish in a barrel. Lucky there are so so many girls in L. A. I can get blown off 90+% of the time and I could care less. I been using the second chance letter as the initial message to the Cougars and still no luck. Hot Cougars in L. A. Are really a joke. Their expectations are through the roof. They been way too spoiled as SO's to come down to reality.

I can only assume that if a 9 or 10 does get back to me she is not a UTR. A super hot UTR would never take a $ a visit. Unless it was the day before her period. lol.

[JZLizard]

My main SB just spoke with my wife.
Yes, the reaction you all just had was what I experienced as well, though about 1000-fold stronger.
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Just reading your post stressed me and I'm not even married (anymore). It just brings back memories of what were not really close calls, but things that left me wondering if a close call had occurred or if I was just being paranoid about coincidences.

I will never have an SB in the same town as long as I'm in this relationship with my GF. There's just too many opportunities for paths to cross. Imagine if your wife had your SB sit down near her desk to fill out a form or something, and your SB sees a picture of you on your wife's desk. Probably no immediate reaction but sometime down the road if you had a falling out with your SB, you can be almost certain you'll hear something like "oh yeah? Well how about I go talk it over with your wife", etc.

[FeelGoodMd]

My main SB just spoke with my wife.

Yes, the reaction you all just had was what I experienced as well, though about 1000-fold stronger.

My wife is the manager of a facility in town. My SB wrote me an email earlier today relating a bad experience she had when visiting that facility, and her ensuing conversation with the manager. SB made it clear that the manager was a female, and I know for a fact that my wife is the only female manager / assistant manager working there right now.

My first action, after my heart started beating again, was to go back over my history with SB to determine whether there is any (plausible) chance she could have learned my real name, job, etc. I don't believe so, but this just goes to show once again that you can NEVER be too careful.

Dr. Feelgood.

P.S.: Apparently my wife addressed the problem and was pleasant and helpful. That's good. I think.

[Looking16]

I read an old report from the Moscow board. (Reports of Distinction post #77) by the well known DrSkank. He is an icon there but unfortunately is not active on the forum any longer.

He tells of a single meet with a hottie which really was very much like the reports I've read here on the SugarBaby board. Just wanted to share with the link. I think many here will enjoy the story.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...Women&p=823328#post823328.

[FyrGuy33]

I have never had this happen, but I would go and check Mom out. You never know, she might be hot and want a deal of her own.

Several years ago I was fucking a really hot 19 why / o co-ed. Her Mom found out about it and sent me an e-mail asking me to not see her daughter anymore. One thing led to another and with a little teasing and persistence I was fucking Mom instead. She was almost as hot as the daughter. In fact, I could picture Mom being that hot when she was 19. I tried like hell to get the Mother / Daughter thing to happen, but I struck out on that. Eventually Mom moved on but it was awesome while it lasted. I don't personally know anyone else who has fucked the Daughter and the Mom. Wish I could have gotten them together. I have always wondered if the Daughter ever found out I was fucking her Mom.

[Copper Fool]

Ok, how many of you met your young SB and find out her mom actually drove her there and knows that she is going to see an SD? Would you go say Hi to her mom?

I have never had this happen, but I would go and check Mom out. You never know, she might be hot and want a deal of her own.

[FredMoore]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

/ Flakes are extremely high but some times it pays to be persistent. I have reacquired many a flake by sticking with her. But once a flake she always will be so be prepared to deal with it as long as you see that SB.

My lineup (all BB) :

SB #1 was a flake. After FC #1 she went dark for 2 months. Just when I thought we were done I re initiated contact and had FC #2 . Since then communication has been better but not ideal yet and she could become an ATF. She is a 9/9/8/8 1 CPO.

SB # 2 is very reliable and communicates regularly. She is very happy with me and runs about. 75 CPO for 2 X / week She is 7/7/8/8. No flaking with her.

FB #1 is a flake but does provide BBFS with a 15 min turnaround. Good for a quickie if time is short, but availability is unpredictable. 75 CPO.

I have over 8 agreed to join me in the FC for $ to $$ but just do not have time to work them into the rotation.

[HollywoodGuy]

Met this Latina for dinner last night. I had actually deleted her number after talking to her a couple weeks ago. She seemed a little distant. But she txted me last nite right as I was going out to eat, so good timing. She was nice enough, a little thick in the middle from bein a mom. She was kinda shy but said I could fuck her this Sunday. I might, as she can drive to me and she lives far away. Says she hasnt had any in a few months. She also mentioned that the few guys she did meet were kinda dorky and awkward and nothing ever happened. I hear that a lot.

[ThirdCoaster]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

This advice is for you if you use SA.

I believe that when women see your email, the first thing they look at is your pic.

Then if you meet their minimum attractiveness requirement, they read your profile.

When they read your profile, they want to see congruency between the email and the profile.

So if you're saying you're a fun guy looking for fun, don't be posting a pic of you looking all serious and creepy.

The way I do things is I use a short intro email saying I read their profile and they sound fun and I'd love to brainstorm fun stuff with them. Once they reply I'll email small talk back and forth two or three times. Then I'll move the conversation to texting. When I'm texting, I'm setting the meet and I'm teasing them sexually. This progression let's things happen pretty naturally with very little talk of money.

What's the rational for posting a similar looking pic?

[HollywoodGuy]

My new SB is so cute. And smart. Not that I ever make that a qualification. 5'7 and 125 ..

[HollywoodGuy]

Reading though the forum, I think I am approaching this Sugar bowl with wrong tactics.

- First I need to acquire a fake picture that resembles me.

- I need to be a bit more aggressive in my initial introduction. If anyone could share a outline of their initial intro email I would greatly appreciate it. I send a well written 3 paragraph template and response rate is very low.

The best response is from UTR and escorts.

My target segment is 21 - 30, slim or athletic, white or asian. This segment of the population is requesting $$ per meeting, which is a bit high for my budget.

Thanks in advance.

Glad I like black girls. $$ really is the rate for a fine ass white girl.

[HollywoodGuy]

What do home contractors and POT SBs have in common? Frequent Flaking.

I have had a string of 5 flakes in a row for M&G. Excuses ranging from being sick, not responding, last minute friend visit etc.

I am curious to know what everyones flake rate is? If they flake do you still pursue?

Flake rate can be high. Double book.

[Brian139]

Ok, how many of you met your young SB and find out her mom actually drove her there and knows that she is going to see an SD? Would you go say Hi to her mom?