"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Latex]

As at least one other person has pointed out, clearing $$ per night for service jobs is pretty much the exception, not the rule. Keeping in mind the limitations of anecdotal evidence, my SB basically clears about a little over half a $ per day. That's after a couple of years in one of the more labor-friendly food chains. As low-paying as it is, she considers herself lucky to have the job, as most of the alternatives in the service / unskilled labor market pay less.

This isn't a big city area, but it's only about 90 minutes to the nearest one, and the cost of living here isn't outrageous but nor is it cheap. She's going to school, with zero assistance from her parents, and there's no way she could pull that off on just her regular job.

We started out at $$/ visit, but have since moved on to a less rigid arrangement. Earning about 3 x of a day at her regular job in exchange for 4-6 hours of naked fun is a good deal. Even if she weren't smitten with me and having the best sex of her life, those financials are quite compelling.

Thanks for the input.

I do live in a large metro area in the Midwest. I remember 20 years ago my girlfriend worked for a popular restaurant, and she leave work with 150-200 dollars on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Now granted that 200 dollars went a long way back then when 1 bedroom rents with $700 dollar range and no one had cell phone.

Was drinking beer with a few golf cart girls last month as they finished their shift, and one of them mentioned about $180 dollar day!

I am sure that I am completely out of touch these days with the trials and tribulations of 20 year olds. But if they are in college they usually get assistance from their parents and loans, is they supplement that with a part time job clearing $300 a week they can easily have party money.

[FyrGuy33]

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum. This is a great forum to sharpen up on your SB skills. We were all new to this at one time and have learned a few things the hard way. I NEVER pay them for a M&G. I will pay the date expenses, as in dinner or what ever, but not extra to sit and talk. I can stay home with the wife for that. Under no circumstances does anyone get anything until we go to the FC. And, they get nothing until we are done. More than once I have started to get dressed again when they demand to be paid up front. That is an Escort rule, not a SB rule. And since I am paying them, I play by MY rule. Funny how when they realize you are ready to end it how they change their mind.

As has been advised, run from this one. She will only drain your funds and leave you disappointed. There are much better finds out there for you.

[JZLizard]

A very nice stripper I know had some dirt put up there about her just because her x found out she slept around and did a couple of pornos. Thank god I am not married and my job is so underground even the people I work with have never met me.

My work is fairly isolated from any real damage from something like that, but if searching on my name ever turned up a revenge page like that, I'd still do whatever was in my power to get it down even if I didn't have an SO, first and foremost just because I'm private in that way and would not be able to take something like that sitting down. Plus, I may not be in my current job forever and I don't like career options being potentially hindered by something like that. Also don't like the idea that friends and family could see that aspect of my personal life -- some young bimbo talking shit about me online.

[JZLizard]

I just had an average MILF say I could meet her for a $$ dinner, LOL. For $$ I can get 80% of 9+ non white girls and half of the 7+ white ones. I swear I can get 10 18-22 young hotties for a $ before I can get an average MILF. Must be L. A. The cost of living here is high.

Also never ever meet any girl that hasnt sent you a clear, standing straight (not bent forward) pic. No matter how pretty they look.

I usually try to get several pics. If her profile photo doesn't give me enough info, I will ask for more. Once you have several you can look for any weird patterns, like all of the photos are from one angle or none of them show her butt, etc. I've been fortunate that none of my SB M&Gs have been disappointing -- in fact I think all of them turned out as good or better than pics (mostly better). But, I learned a lot about what to look for in pic swapping when civy dating. One thing for sure, if she only sends selfies she took in a car, definitely demand to see more because she could have a decent face yet be a moose from the waist down.

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know if you guys have seen the website thedirty.com, but it makes a very good case for never letting your SBs know your last name, and being careful about who you give photos to.

There are other similar revenge websites but this one I had not come across this one before until I googled someone's name and an article about her on this site was at the top of the list. LOL. It's quite funny to look read the submissions in your local city (click on dirty world at the top). Be entertained by it but be careful not to end up being one of the sources of entertainment.

Always stay as anonymous as possible, and in the event of a dispute / SB gone sideways, try to diffuse the situation, take the high road and then get the hell out of there, trying to exit on a positive note.

A very nice stripper I know had some dirt put up there about her just because her x found out she slept around and did a couple of pornos. Thank god I am not married and my job is so underground even the people I work with have never met me.

[HollywoodGuy]

Paying just to meet is always a scam. Always pay at the end of service and commensurate with how satisfied you are. Tell her you can get conversation for free anywhere but the pussy has value and you're willing to pay for it (just not always in quite such direct terms).

I just had an average MILF say I could meet her for a $$ dinner, LOL. For $$ I can get 80% of 9+ non white girls and half of the 7+ white ones. I swear I can get 10 18-22 young hotties for a $ before I can get an average MILF. Must be L. A. The cost of living here is high.

Also never ever meet any girl that hasnt sent you a clear, standing straight (not bent forward) pic. No matter how pretty they look.

[HollywoodGuy]

The SB in question, without doubt has / had true feelings. Problem is her age being so young, she still has not maneuvered through cycles of what it takes to make a man feel secure with her. She likes to party, go out with friends, flirt and all that comes with being a typical 21 yo girl. However, she also wants true love, stability and all that comes with that. I know her feelings are genuine, but so is her age and what she is not ready to overcome. I met her entire family for Pete's sake. Even her dad who is not the nicest of characters. Somehow they all approved of me. She is from a small town in rural Western Virginia and has not seen much outside her small town. Judging her at a raw level, she is sweet natured, loving, and naive. She claims to have had 9 sexual partners her entire life. Six boyfriends and three SD's date type things including me. So yeah, she slept with two other men for $. So having been around this hobby and other related hobbies for a bit, once a girl gets a taste for quick easy money like that, it's all but impossible for her to shake it, until she is put through the ringer of reality and usually used up by then.

Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades. She just becomes another woman to you. Sometimes I am mesmerized by her face and youthful beauty. She is a pretty girl, but her lying, immature ways, are not something I even remotely care to deal with in my mid-40's.

So back in the bowl I go. Hopefully the fallout with her with no go nuclear. .

Naive?. LOL.

[JZLizard]

I don't know if you guys have seen the website thedirty.com, but it makes a very good case for never letting your SBs know your last name, and being careful about who you give photos to.

There are other similar revenge websites but this one I had not come across this one before until I googled someone's name and an article about her on this site was at the top of the list. LOL. It's quite funny to look read the submissions in your local city (click on dirty world at the top). Be entertained by it but be careful not to end up being one of the sources of entertainment.

Always stay as anonymous as possible, and in the event of a dispute / SB gone sideways, try to diffuse the situation, take the high road and then get the hell out of there, trying to exit on a positive note.

[FotoGuy1970]

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

When I was first starting out in the sugar bowl and I was still naive about meeting POTs, I would pay to meet. I don't do that any more. I will treat them to whatever it is we do on the M&G (dinner, drinks, coffee, whatever) and if they travel a fair distance to see me I will even offer to give them gas money. But I have stopped giving a POT money just to meet with me. I know some brothers have occasionally given a gift card or something as a token of appreciation on a M&G and I think in some cases that can be a good idea, especially if the arrangement is all but a sure thing following a M&G. But beware of POTs saying they are all for an arrangement following a M&G, then vanishing like they were a super ninja. I myself had that happen a handful of times in the span of a few months. So then you've wasted your time and your money on someone you'll never see again.

In your particular case, she's a definite Nando1, as others have noted. Drop her and move on, this one will very likely take your money and run.

[JZLizard]

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

Paying just to meet is always a scam. Always pay at the end of service and commensurate with how satisfied you are. Tell her you can get conversation for free anywhere but the pussy has value and you're willing to pay for it (just not always in quite such direct terms).

[FredMoore]

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

This ploy is called the "panic" and is a classic Nando 1 move. Unfortunately these girls are desperate and the facts are that dshe probably has all kinds of debt and is getting evicted, etc. Remember do not fall for this sob story, it is not your responsibility to bail her out of her problems.

What you do is the following: 1) offer her $ ,whatever your number is for a FC visit. 2) tell her when you are available and where ,3) stick to your guns. Do not let her appeal to your sensitivity about her plight. 4) do not pay her to meet. Tell her that you will apply that money to her allowance only after she produces on her end. 5) Run and do not play with Nando 1 s.

[BigDawg14]

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

[JZLizard]

Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades.

You met a true SB, and yes they can be a pain in the ass, because they are often motivated by more than money. I think a lot of folks would be surprised how many 20-somethings are genuinely attracted to older guys and want something beyond (but of course preferably in addition to) money, if they can get it.

When I was civy dating, I sometimes encountered girls that were SBs but not officially in the way we think of with so many of these UTR girls on the SD sites. One that comes to mind was a girl I met on a civy dating site that was fresh out of college. Yes she wanted support in the sense she was still figuring out how to support herself, but aside from letting me buy her dinner there was never an expectation for money. What she REALLY wanted was for me to teach her how to get involved in the industry I am in -- maybe not just get her a job but to teach her the ropes. So in a way she was fucking me for career advice and mentoring, and an occasional trip to a restaurant or nightclub. I lived alone at the time so bringing her to my house to spend the night was a no-cost situation. Similar to what you've described, she wasn't even close to real relationship material to me. Just being around her for any length of time without some alcohol in my system was hard to tolerate, mostly just because of the huge difference in life experience and maturity. The fucking was good though, while it lasted.

For relationship material, during my civy dating I sort of decided that 30 is a good target for minimum age for a partner. Luckily I'm a fan of the exotic brunette (Asian / Latina) and a lot of that demographic still look like 20 year olds when they are thirtyish. I met only a few who were late 20's and still mature enough for a relationship. I even prefer that they've been married before (hopefully no kids) because then they aren't in a rush or having delusions about what married life is like.

So, maybe in some ways a true SB is one of those "be careful what you wish for" things. UTR girls are less hassle, and generally get out of your hair and move on when the party is over.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Did you follow his previous reports on this particular girl? I'm pretty sure he said he already tested her by removing money from the equation a while back.

The SB in question, without doubt has / had true feelings. Problem is her age being so young, she still has not maneuvered through cycles of what it takes to make a man feel secure with her. She likes to party, go out with friends, flirt and all that comes with being a typical 21 yo girl. However, she also wants true love, stability and all that comes with that. I know her feelings are genuine, but so is her age and what she is not ready to overcome. I met her entire family for Pete's sake. Even her dad who is not the nicest of characters. Somehow they all approved of me. She is from a small town in rural Western Virginia and has not seen much outside her small town. Judging her at a raw level, she is sweet natured, loving, and naive. She claims to have had 9 sexual partners her entire life. Six boyfriends and three SD's date type things including me. So yeah, she slept with two other men for $. So having been around this hobby and other related hobbies for a bit, once a girl gets a taste for quick easy money like that, it's all but impossible for her to shake it, until she is put through the ringer of reality and usually used up by then.

Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades. She just becomes another woman to you. Sometimes I am mesmerized by her face and youthful beauty. She is a pretty girl, but her lying, immature ways, are not something I even remotely care to deal with in my mid-40's.

So back in the bowl I go. Hopefully the fallout with her with no go nuclear. .

[JZLizard]

You're fooling yourself. All she cares about is the $$. Whats that saying about massage parlor girls? "Man who looks for love in a massage parlor gets neither a good massage nor a happy ending". The same thing applies to any girl where the immediate, direct transaction is based on the exchange of money. These girls are here to be used for sex. Nothing more. Nothing less. View it as something different at your peril.

Did you follow his previous reports on this particular girl? I'm pretty sure he said he already tested her by removing money from the equation a while back.