"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FotoGuy1970]

Attraction / chemistry:

I try to swap pics early on. In the case of some sites I just unlock my private photos on the initial contact, so as to not waste time if they don't like my pics. If they don't respond to initial contact I assume they're not into me. Sometimes I am wrong and they read the mail but don't respond for many days, weeks or in some cases months later. Sometimes they just don't respond at all so I either assume they didn't like the pics or they are too busy or just not serious.

Usually I look for a highly positive reaction to my pics, even a little excitement on their part. Not because I need my ego stroked but I just know everything will work out better if she indicates she's really into my looks. Same is true with civy dating and there's no predicting their response because their is truly no accounting for personal taste. Sometimes the super hot stunner types will gush over my pics and sometimes I get lukewarm reactions that are uninspiring like "nice pics" or "thanks for the pics" from very average looking girls by SB standards. It's usually a barometer of things to come (no pun intended).

The lukewarm reactions are less likely to result in a M&G for me, partially because I pursue the ones that show enthusiasm.

A somewhat related story that I got a laugh out of: about a week ago I had a girl initiate contact with me on SA. She was maybe 6-7 hours away. Our first messages were just small talk and I didn't seriously consider her to be a true POT, I was pretty much just being polite. Then she asked if she could see my private pics (my public pics completely conceal my looks). I gave her permission to see the pics that showed me. Not only did she not send back any response, she flat out blocked me. I had to laugh at the fact that this girl initiated contact with me, asked to see my pics, then turned around and blocked me for no apparent reason other than she wasn't attracted to me. Like she stood any chance with me to begin with.

[Beachesnole02]

Hollywood is not the only guy with pictures. Here is another married SB that has been in the rotation. Life is good.

[FotoGuy1970]

Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

I tried going by an alternate name for a while, but it got to be too much work. Now I just use my real first name and try to avoid giving out my real last name. Of the SBs I've had, maybe 2 or 3 know my real last name. And it's not that big of a deal if one does get my last name, as I'm not married, I have no kids, and I don't have a career that would be destroyed if word of my activities got out. I just prefer that my last name doesn't get out there.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I am always looking for that instant chemistry. SB or not. If it's overwhelming, that's usually a good sign. But not a guarantee of future returns. My ATF pictured.

NICE! Due to your photo, I have once again found myself on SA sending out emails.

[JZLizard]

Attraction / chemistry:

I try to swap pics early on. In the case of some sites I just unlock my private photos on the initial contact, so as to not waste time if they don't like my pics. If they don't respond to initial contact I assume they're not into me. Sometimes I am wrong and they read the mail but don't respond for many days, weeks or in some cases months later. Sometimes they just don't respond at all so I either assume they didn't like the pics or they are too busy or just not serious.

Usually I look for a highly positive reaction to my pics, even a little excitement on their part. Not because I need my ego stroked but I just know everything will work out better if she indicates she's really into my looks. Same is true with civy dating and there's no predicting their response because their is truly no accounting for personal taste. Sometimes the super hot stunner types will gush over my pics and sometimes I get lukewarm reactions that are uninspiring like "nice pics" or "thanks for the pics" from very average looking girls by SB standards. It's usually a barometer of things to come (no pun intended).

The lukewarm reactions are less likely to result in a M&G for me, partially because I pursue the ones that show enthusiasm.

The one time I had a M&G that turned out to be a GPS girl (and did not result in a trip to the FC), I learned a lot. After our meeting didn't go well, I told her in text that I'm not offering ridiculous allowances because I can still get laid for free if I go clubbing and look hard enough, and I said I wouldn't want to bang someone who isn't into me. And she said "well you're not unattractive at all but that's the allowance amount I need". Do you see the wording there? "not unattractive" is not a compliment. It's not an insult either but it's not what I want to hear from an SB. To be honest she was not my type at all but she still had a hot body and of course with guys the light's always on so of course I wanted to put it in her. But not at that price. The lesson learned was I looked back at prior mails, she NEVER expressed any positive reaction about my photos. How did I miss the clue? So I go in a little wiser and pay more attention to that sort of thing.

[HollywoodGuy]

I am always looking for that instant chemistry. SB or not. If it's overwhelming, that's usually a good sign. But not a guarantee of future returns. My ATF pictured.

[Mgog1]

Finally dipping my toe into the SD / SB world and looking for a bit of advice. I messaged a SB, she messaged back asking for pics, I sent pics, she says they were good, she asks me what kind of arrangement I'm looking for, I respond with what days I'm typically available and the frequency that I can meet. I told her I would like to meet in person before we agree to any arrangement in order to ensure we are compatible. She responds saying the schedule works and asks what I'm wanting to do with her "like sex or what". Spidey senses tingling. Not sure if this is a normal exchange. Normally I'd be running for the hills as it sounds like LE to me. Not sure how (or if) I should respond? Any advice greatly appreciated.

[DirtyDeeds38]

1) Yes and 2) Yes.

There are a lot of excellent security based discussions in the body of this blog. Many smart guys have detailed exactly how to set up a fake I'd,burner phone, anonymous Credit card, etc. Go to school for a few weeks and you will begin to understand.

Most of us have SOs and have to stay on the down low. The risk is high but somehow exciting. The key to prospering in the SD world is confidence. You have.

Lf assured and take charge. I got more pussy after I finally came out with what I wanted. In a gentle way of course. Girls like to be told what to do and act like there is no alternative answer to the question wheter we are going to sleep together or not.

The last sentence I am learning and learning well. I had a M&G last night with a beautiful true SB, age 21, college all confirmed. She ended the night early, so I struck out. We had texted previously about an almost sure trip to the FC. She balked on me and drove over two hours to meet. Her reason? She felt I was too nice a guy. Literally, she described she had three other arrangements and the other men were right out, up front with wanting sex on the spot. They got sex from her, I went home alone. This might not work for all girls, but I agree with most and after all, we are all playing the odds game here.

In response to the SO and risk, remember this, there is no safety net. Cover your tracks always and cover them well. Way beyond what you think is needed. You don't get a second chance if an error is made and discovery comes out. It's an all or nothing game.

[FredMoore]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

1) Yes and 2) Yes.

There are a lot of excellent security based discussions in the body of this blog. Many smart guys have detailed exactly how to set up a fake I'd,burner phone, anonymous Credit card, etc. Go to school for a few weeks and you will begin to understand.

Most of us have SOs and have to stay on the down low. The risk is high but somehow exciting. The key to prospering in the SD world is confidence. You have.

Lf assured and take charge. I got more pussy after I finally came out with what I wanted. In a gentle way of course. Girls like to be told what to do and act like there is no alternative answer to the question wheter we are going to sleep together or not.

[Beachesnole02]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

YES! It will take you a while but start at the beginning of this thread and read as much as you can. You will find a ton of knowledge about how to lower your risk of complications of doing this.

[John G Smith]

The biggest differentiator and what places them on the ladder is not whether or not they ultimately want money or favors (we can assume they all do regardless of position on the ladder), it's how much (or whether) they discriminate regarding who they will allow to fuck them. If they are willing to fuck someone just because they were referred to them, or even just go to the highest bidder, I'd call that pretty indiscriminate.

Absolutely spot on.

An escort will primarily discriminate based on her perceived safety with you or whether you're LE or not. Otherwise she could care less what you look like, your personality, or whatever. She will meet you sight unseen at her hotel door as long as you have the money.

But sugar babies and even some gold diggers, will reject certain guys if they don't pass a certain threshold with physical attractiveness or personal connection. I've been rejected by some SBs because they didn't find me attractive even though we already came to an agreement on the allowance.

Honestly it's why I like the Sugar Bowl. There's rejection, but it also means when you find a SB, you know they actually find you attractive on some level. I think that's why many of us can report some amazing sex romps and it's why this lifestyle is so addictive. Our money does indeed help significantly tip the scales in our favor to attract young college girls, but there still has to be some strands of attractiveness and connection for a real SB to feel comfortable banging a guy over 2-3 x their age.

And there's definite value in identifying these type of girls. I may not give a UTR or BC girl the same money / privileges I would a SB, but a UTR girl is still way better than an Escort in my book. I saw an escort a couple of times in the last 6 months, and it reminded me just how good we have it with SBs. Yes SBs can be a headache and be time consuming, but the payoff is just worth it tens times over compared to an escort.

[JZLizard]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

I think most SDs are married, the minority who aren't have a serious GF (like me), and the truly single SDs probably make up the remaining 1-2%. Likewise I suspect most SDs are earning a decent living I doubt any of the ones you'll interact with here are truly rich or able to live like money grows on trees.

I generally operate on a real first name but in most cases they never get a chance to know my last name. Beware high-end restaurants where the reservations can give you away or the douchey waiters start calling you "Mister _ based on your reservation name or the name on your credit card. When possible don't let her be within proximity when you check-in to hotels, claim your dinner table etc.

[SlowMo]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

[HappyHunter44]

...that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

Well said. I can always tell when my SO wants something. She makes sure the pussy is extra, extra clean and smelling nice. Rides me like a horse and does that again in 24 hours. I just wait because I know in a day or two she will ask for something. And sure enough, I get a request.

[JZLizard]

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

Maybe I should explain what I meant. A vast majority of male / female relationships can be categorized as some form of the worlds oldest profession, and to me that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

We could take the path of least resistance and just say all women are pros, period, or we could expend a little more intellectual effort to categorize them in a way that more clearly designates what they are doing; I will try to do the latter here.

A true SB is a different level of the above definition than a UTR girl or an escort. Granted, there are a lot of girls who are confused about what they are and apparently an equal level of confusion among SDs regarding the differences, but there are differences. A girl that is strictly chasing cash and will sleep with anyone willing to provide that cash is a pro by even the bottom-rung definition. An escort may not be as careless about her choice of sex partner as a streetwalker, but they are still pretty much open to business for anyone.

On the ladder of the worlds oldest profession, I would say the traditional marriage is at the top of the ladder, streetwalkers are at the bottom of the ladder, escorts / call girls / casino girls are one rung higher up the ladder than streetwalkers, UTR-only girls are a rung higher than escorts, and SBs and gold diggers are a rung higher than UTR girls but still a couple of rungs below the traditional wife.

No doubt some girls will move across different rungs, but in my mind once they've stepped on one of the lower rungs once, they are who they are forever (even if it's their own secret and nobody knows about it).

The biggest differentiator and what places them on the ladder is not whether or not they ultimately want money or favors (we can assume they all do regardless of position on the ladder), it's how much (or whether) they discriminate regarding who they will allow to fuck them. If they are willing to fuck someone just because they were referred to them, or even just go to the highest bidder, I'd call that pretty indiscriminate.

None of this is to say UTRs can't be fun too, but knowing which one you're dealing with would only help interactions with them. I personally would not give the same level of allowance to a UTR that I might give an SB.