"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SlowMo]

Gents,

Is there a SB / SD for dummies FAQ somewhere?

My dumb questions are:

- Do married, employed SD-wannabees stand any chance at pulling this off?

- Do any of you go by a pseudonym to keep business and pleasure separate?

Thank you in advance.

[HappyHunter44]

...that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

Well said. I can always tell when my SO wants something. She makes sure the pussy is extra, extra clean and smelling nice. Rides me like a horse and does that again in 24 hours. I just wait because I know in a day or two she will ask for something. And sure enough, I get a request.

[JZLizard]

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

Maybe I should explain what I meant. A vast majority of male / female relationships can be categorized as some form of the worlds oldest profession, and to me that includes traditional marriage where the wife uses sex as leverage to get things she wants, even if what she wants is a new pergola in the backyard.

We could take the path of least resistance and just say all women are pros, period, or we could expend a little more intellectual effort to categorize them in a way that more clearly designates what they are doing; I will try to do the latter here.

A true SB is a different level of the above definition than a UTR girl or an escort. Granted, there are a lot of girls who are confused about what they are and apparently an equal level of confusion among SDs regarding the differences, but there are differences. A girl that is strictly chasing cash and will sleep with anyone willing to provide that cash is a pro by even the bottom-rung definition. An escort may not be as careless about her choice of sex partner as a streetwalker, but they are still pretty much open to business for anyone.

On the ladder of the worlds oldest profession, I would say the traditional marriage is at the top of the ladder, streetwalkers are at the bottom of the ladder, escorts / call girls / casino girls are one rung higher up the ladder than streetwalkers, UTR-only girls are a rung higher than escorts, and SBs and gold diggers are a rung higher than UTR girls but still a couple of rungs below the traditional wife.

No doubt some girls will move across different rungs, but in my mind once they've stepped on one of the lower rungs once, they are who they are forever (even if it's their own secret and nobody knows about it).

The biggest differentiator and what places them on the ladder is not whether or not they ultimately want money or favors (we can assume they all do regardless of position on the ladder), it's how much (or whether) they discriminate regarding who they will allow to fuck them. If they are willing to fuck someone just because they were referred to them, or even just go to the highest bidder, I'd call that pretty indiscriminate.

None of this is to say UTRs can't be fun too, but knowing which one you're dealing with would only help interactions with them. I personally would not give the same level of allowance to a UTR that I might give an SB.

[Dsprdo]

Work is finally winding down for the summer so this week my goal was to find one or two new babies to play with for the summer. It has turned out to be a week of highs and lows. I started out the week on Monday with a M&G with true first timer from SD4 M. She is 23, a Midwest girl away from home for school, working as a beverage cart girl at a local golf course. We met for drinks and I felt we had a great connection. WE discussed a wide range of topics and her views on a lot of things in life were similar to mine. She told me I was the first person she had met from the site. I asked if she was interested in moving forward, made my intentions clear, and she said that she felt very comfortable with me. We agreed to meet on Wednesday and take things to the next level. OI walked her to her car and admired her great legs in short shorts and high heels. At the car I got a tremendous kiss, and we talked for a couple more minutes before she left with a smile. I left feeling sure that Wednesday I would be savoring a fresh new sugar baby.

On Tuesday I had already set up a lunchtime date with my newlywed SB. She doesn't have as much time now, so I have to see her when I can. I am keeping her around because we have a good connection, her sugar demands are low, and she has been a great communicator. When she came over I was dismayed to find it was that time for her. One of her lesser talents is oral, so I decided a practice session was in order. She has been working to improve, and so she happily dropped to her knees in front of me. She took direction well, and ultimately completed her task satisfactorily. WE will get her there yet! Later that day my great mood was brought down by a text from by beverage cart baby-conservative Midwestern guilt had set in and she had decided to cancel our meet. I responded with kindness and understanding, and can only hope that she will remember me if she is tempted again by the bowl. She has not been active on SD4 M since, so it either was true guilt or some other lucky guy beat me to the punch.

Wednesday, with my plans for the day gone, I turned to sending out intro letters and mining a couple of responses I had gotten. Soon I was texting with a couple of women, trying to set up dinner for Thursday and Friday night. In an embarrassing mix up, I was quickly double booked for Thursday evening. One of the two was a31 year old fitness instructor with a killer body who suggested a M&G at a very upscale downtown hotel. The second was a29 year old student with extensive tattoos and a love of motorcycles. She was the better communicator of the two, and she had indicated that she didn't necessarily need a set allowance, but instead wanted occasional unspecified help with bills. I made a snap decision to cancel on the fitness instructor and meet tattoo girl instead. I also set up a Friday night dinner with a 25 year old spinner who was brand new on the site.

Thursday morning I texted tattoo girl to confirm our plans. She had always been quick to respond, but this time there was no immediate reply. While I was waiting to see if she had flaked on me, one of my old booty call girls texted to say she had woken up wet and I wasn't there. Determined not to let the day go to waste if tattoo girl was going to no-show, I invited the BC on over. She proved she had missed me with an hour and half of wet sloppy BJs, toy play and sex. My mood was much improved, so I was able to shake off the affects of being stood up.

Friday I texted my new spinner a couple of times to see if we were still on. Her responses were short to the point of being terse, but she assured me we were. I arrived at the restaurant as planned, and sure enough she was right on time. She told me she was nervous, and we went in and got a table. I ordered her a glass of wine, which seemed to calm her. We had a light dinner, and pretty good conversation, though I didn't feel the real connection that I thought I had had with beverage cart girl. After dinner, I walked her to her car, unsure of what was next. At her car I kissed her, and was shocked by the aggressive, hungry return I got. We kissed for a few minutes until I pulled away and suggested we go to her apartment. She pulled back and looked at me for a long moment before simply saying "follow me". Once there, things were awesome. She made so much noise that she had to bite down on her hand during sex. Afterwards she told me she was worried about complaints from the neighbors. We sat on the couch for a while and I soon found myself ready for a second go, which was much faster than my normal reboot time these days.

All in all, it was a great week, even with the disappointments. I have a short summer ahead because of a project coming up in the fall, so I intend to try and burn myself on young SB's between now and then, if such a thing is possible.

[FredMoore]

Sb #1.

Has become very unreliable but she is into me for $$ so want to at least get service for what has been prepaid. I do like her and enjoy the FS for a fair dime. So I'd like to keep her if she can get her shit together.

Pot #1.

Hispanic 20+ yr old. 7/6/? Face and attitude are attractive, but a little heavy for my liking. Will try a M&G and see how values herself. If the price is right then I will give her a try.

Pot #2.

8/8/? WF 23 student. Got a cute face and ass kicking body. I have a M&G for next week. She will be in the $$+ range for a tryout. I think she might be a GPS but looks hotter than ones I have hit on lately.

Pot #3.

Is really Pot #1 in my wish list. She is mid 20's WF and is a 7. 5/8. 5/8 so far. We had to reschedule two M&Gs, one hers and one mine. She comes across as a truly nice, educated girl trying to make her way in life. And she doesn't sound like a GPS. I really hope she works out. Our date is tomorrow night. If she turns out I will drop the other 2 Pots and concentrate on her.

[Graham111]

" So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion" Deeds


2 days and 2 nights with her didn't help. This girl got an advanced course in sex therapy 101. She has a classic case of transference with that intense therapy. Since she is a good performer it is too bad that you can't manage her needs and keep her on the hook.

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

Well we know how this goes. I have the third date with SB15 tonite and getting the vibe she may be a little too enamored with me. Suspended her SD4 M account and tells me "just stay the way you are, you are wonderful). 30 YO so not her first rodeo but a very good fuck and pretty good personality. So we play with fire!. Not sure she picked up on the "Married" description in my profile. What's a guy to do?

[FredMoore]

" So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion" Deeds


2 days and 2 nights with her didn't help. This girl got an advanced course in sex therapy 101. She has a classic case of transference with that intense therapy. Since she is a good performer it is too bad that you can't manage her needs and keep her on the hook.

RE: referrals.

We know all of these babies are out for support of some kind and will evaluate each Pot SD just as we do. Therefore they are escorts in a way. They might not have the escort mentality yet, but they are selling themselves for lucre. So recognize it for what it is.

[DirtyDeeds38]

After much convincing of SB#1 20 year old, sweet girl next door type, I went out with her again. We spent two days and nights together. The sex went from "so-so" to almost great. This is the girl who proclaimed feelings for me. The sex was a bit on the kinky side, with a night of cuddling, waking up for more sex and morning sex. We went out to breakfast and dinner the following night and had a few quickies in between. During the night, I would describe the feeling between us as one of a nice connection and closeness, but far from "love" as she later described.

So now I may have stepped in the big dodo shit pile rancid sugar bowl. She sends me a long email proclaiming her love for me and how she has never felt such passion, ecstasy, warmth and kindness from any man. She wants a certifiable relationship, one with no direct sugar involved. The email was much more indepth, but you get the idea. She told her family about me and they want to meet me. Holly hell, I think I'm in trouble. I really did nothing other then treat the girl like I would a true girlfriend. I do not want to meet the family, and I do not want a girlfriend. That aside, if your a human man, it's impossible not to care in some capacity for this girl. But we all know better.

The major blowout letdown email is being typed right now to her. I hope she goes away peacefully. Something tells me she won't.

[HollywoodGuy]

In online dating over the last 15 years or so I've realized I can learn a lot about a girl from her profile. If they are snarky in their profile, they are almost certainly going to be a pain in the ass to deal with in person. The younger ones are more prone to this I think, because they feel that the snarkier you are on the Internet, the more clever you will be perceived as by others -- they don't realize it's only flagging them as a "disposable date" to people like me, who will tolerate it just long enough to paste them once then go dark.

There's another category of girls who may or may not be snarky in their actual profile, but will describe their own personality with words like "sassy" or "sarcastic". Again in every case I've seen this, their self assessment was revealing far more about them than they realized, and they are full-on PITAs. Maybe a good candidate for a one-time hate fuck but I'm inclined to generate a 30 day phone number on hushed then let it expire so they can't bother me afterward.

As far as referral SBs, I think it's an oxymoron. If they are willing to swap off to a new SD just because they were referred they are at best a UTR escort and not an SB in my book.

I agree, you can't refer an SB. Only utr's and pros.

[JZLizard]

When we brothers refer girls to each other, do not tell them about the USAG blog. They can find it themselves perhaps but we don't want girls identifying us by our stories, etc. This might seem intuitive but you never know.

A common item in girls' SA profiles mentions that they are sarcastic. Am I the only guy who thinks sarcasm is a negative and a strike against the SB?

In online dating over the last 15 years or so I've realized I can learn a lot about a girl from her profile. If they are snarky in their profile, they are almost certainly going to be a pain in the ass to deal with in person. The younger ones are more prone to this I think, because they feel that the snarkier you are on the Internet, the more clever you will be perceived as by others -- they don't realize it's only flagging them as a "disposable date" to people like me, who will tolerate it just long enough to paste them once then go dark.

There's another category of girls who may or may not be snarky in their actual profile, but will describe their own personality with words like "sassy" or "sarcastic". Again in every case I've seen this, their self assessment was revealing far more about them than they realized, and they are full-on PITAs. Maybe a good candidate for a one-time hate fuck but I'm inclined to generate a 30 day phone number on hushed then let it expire so they can't bother me afterward.

As far as referral SBs, I think it's an oxymoron. If they are willing to swap off to a new SD just because they were referred they are at best a UTR escort and not an SB in my book.

[Beachesnole02]

First, yes pre-paids work with the sites and you would be foolish NOT to use a pre-paid card for membership. Some of them are notorious for billing you forever.

As for the M&G I would suggest you make it a regular practice to have business lunches, even if it is just "networking" and have a certain percentage of them with the opposite sex. I know some jobs don't lend themselves to this but how do you explain your presence in a park if seen there by a neighbor taking her grandkids out to a soccer game of Fido for a walk? If you are there with a pretty young thing it is unexplainable to your SO. If you are alone and waiting, well you are a perv waiting on another guy or checking out the kiddies, again a no win.

I too live in a "small community" in a metro area, and I am recognized throughout the whole area. I do my meet and greets at nice restaurants, just like business lunches, and I tell the young lady that if someone comes up I will introduce her as. With a cover story. I have been interrupted during the meetings without issue. Just be ready act normal and don't panic.

Of course it becomes a different story if you run into a babe in the evening when you are with family / friends. I was sitting at happy hour with my buddies when the model I posted a picture of a few months ago came in with a date her own age. She waived and winked at me when he went to the restroom and that became THE topic of conversation amongst the old guys for a couple weeks. Luckily my wife never gets off work early enough to get to happy hour with the gang so she never heard the story.

Ah life in a small town.

[CaneBay]

Any ideas about a place to M&G in a hostile home environment that is not sketchy? My home town is awfully small when it comes to meeting people out in public.

Have you looked for state or city parks. Are public, but usually quite and fun can happen. Before you try to go further then just a m / g in a park, make sure you look up police activity for that park. Some parks attract the wrong kind of attention.

[FredMoore]

When we brothers refer girls to each other, do not tell them about the USAG blog. They can find it themselves perhaps but we don't want girls identifying us by our stories, etc. This might seem intuitive but you never know.

A common item in girls' SA profiles mentions that they are sarcastic. Am I the only guy who thinks sarcasm is a negative and a strike against the SB?

[FredMoore]

Any ideas about a place to M&G in a hostile home environment that is not sketchy? My home town is awfully small when it comes to meeting people out in public.

[Norm Gerd]

Will a pre-paid visa or mastercard work for SA or SD4 ME? The site I currently use SD (ie). Com has dried up in my area. I need a new hunting ground. Uh, er website.

Norm!