"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

Others have reported success with finding out of town girls when traveling on business. I travel a lot and have never really had any luck, generall because I'm so busy that I don't have any time to put in on it when I'm away for work. I have a week long trip coming up to a smaller city wheere I used to live. I have a few days of meetings and then I'm planning a long weekend golfing with some of my friends from the area. Since I'll have more time on my hands this trip I decided to give it another try. I sent out about 10 letters to likely candidates. So far I've gotten two responses.

The first was from a very cute spinner. She asked for a pic which I've sent. No reply so maybe I wasn't her cup of tea. I've sent her a follow up.

The second, and much more interesting, was from a girl who is obviously not new to this concept. Her profile talks about her love of travel and willingness to fly out to meet. She also says that she is looking for a dominant male. In my letter to her I explained that I would be in town for a week and would like to meet, and if we connect that I would certainly have her out to visit when I come back home. I also asked how dominant she wanted me to be. Her response: "very...I want to be a naughty little girl for you". She sent me a pic that was kind of revealing, but it was from her profile. I thanked her but pointed out I needed one that was just for me, and instructed her to take one over the weekend and send it to me. We'll see how submissive she is. I told her my schedule for the week and she said she would make herself available for me.

She may be an UTR girl, but I am going to play with her nonetheless! I hope to line up at least one more with good potential and be able to report back with a road win soon.

[KrustyDawg7]

Damn, my 26 why / o POT flaked on the second date and has gone radio silent after we agreed to a third date. The M&G first date was real nice and she was all touchy-feely. A couple days later we met in the daytime and got as far as her place. She got "comfortable" lounging around with only a tee shirt but changed her mind all of a sudden and said had to cut the date short and had some stuff to do, but promised to meet again in a couple of days. So now she flakes on me again, not answering texts, etc. Oh well, such is the sugar life. I know she could use the money so it is a lose-lose situation. This was a first time SB and either she decided it wasn't for her, or there was someone else in her civvy dating life or something. We had a big age gap but that didn't seem to bother her. Sad that there was such great FC potential...she had a killer body and nice personality. I had high hopes but you put the hopes aside and cut losses, and move on. I think it's a good thing to remember that we don't want to get too emotionally involved especially in the early going. It's easy to get "involved" and you have to poke yourself with a sharp stick every now and again to bring back reality.

Meanwhile I have let my paid subscription run out of SA and SD4 M and just hanging on SDT and WYP (which has nothing in my area). I still have my SB that I've been seeing for a while but it is going stale, and it is getting like "married sex".

[DirtyDeeds38]

This would be my response:

"Assuming your pics are real, we could do the 5-s model for an all-nighter or if you don't need the fingerprint sensor and the faster processor we could do the 5 C for a 2 hour romp with you and one of your hot friends".

As still being relatively new to the SB world, I've put some time into reading many blogs and reports on this hobby in various places. One trend sweeping the SB world is serial "M&G" girls who have no intentions of being intimate. They play a game and make the guy feel he must prove his worth by taking her out and starting an allowance just for being willing to meet with him. To counter this trend, men are encouraged to state something like, "we can go out and date, for drinks, dinner all you want, but I do not start allowances until intimacy begins." You can also reference the trend I described as a reason. Tell them you have your methods for weeding out the fakes and so do I.

I have began telling all the girls I correspond with early on and so far most respect it, some cut off communication.

I don't care how attractive, nice and sexy any girl is, this hobby is about action. If she is not willing and has no intention of being sexual, then it's a total waste of time. Even though we don't pay for sex, it is expected in a relationship. And there are way, way too many willing girls to play that game.

I would say most of the girls that I send out what I expect and looking for and how much I will pay per visit are appreciative of me being right up front.

The first girl I went for drinks with, I dropped $300 on her for showing up and the second $200. They both told me later they had to "get to know me more before intimacy was on the table." So I went home and did my homework and wrote up a standard email and began weeding out these types.

[JZLizard]

"Hello good afternoon. Hope your having a good day. Hope to see you next week, I need a phone asap and I can't get it because I have not been working since I'm out of the state with family. But I have been looking online on virgin mobile and they have a little discount and iPhone 5's 16 gb is 495.99 & iPhone 5 c 16 gb is 404.99 $. Maybe you can do me a favor and help me out, Ii would really appriciate it! ".

This would be my response:

"Assuming your pics are real, we could do the 5-s model for an all-nighter or if you don't need the fingerprint sensor and the faster processor we could do the 5 C for a 2 hour romp with you and one of your hot friends".

[HollywoodGuy]

Actual profile statement:

"I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know what you are expecting / wanting if we do meet. You need to catch my eye and have something that is exciting or a real gentleman even if it's just for a few meets. ".

Background: Super hot 19 yo, profile is a month old.

I read this as " "I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know how much you are going to pay me and what's the least I have to do to get it if we do meet. You need to outbid everyone else or not expect sex even if it's just for a few meets. ".

Am I wrong?

Being the direct approach type of guy I am this is exactly the type (one of the types) of profiles I respond to. I make my offer of $ and let them know we are going to have sex on the first date but it doesn't have to include intercourse. 50% do it anyway and the other 50% I either have to charm or drop depending on their attitude before the second date.

Sometimes I just tell them I am cool with "outercourse" on a first date. Girls love that word. Always puts a smile on their face, because they know you didn't just make it up on the spot, meaning you are a gentleman. Which automatically gets you laid a good # of times in spite of the fact (but really because of it) that you just told them you don"t need to. Girls actually crave casual sex, they just don't believe most guys are capable of it, especially in a SD/SB encounter.

I just talked to a POT that says a guy gave her 1k on the first date and then tried to glom onto her immediately thereafter. The result was she won't see him again. A lose lose situation. He doesn't get any pussy and she doesn't get any money. But the pressure of clingyness was too much for her. She was bummed out, but backed into a corner. I told her married SD's would be the better option for her. And being the gentleman I am and listening to her stories and offering to help fix her profile, she said lets just meet and forget the sugar. Will it lead to the FC?. I doubt it, but after reading this thread I know anything is possible.

[Dsprdo]

Actual profile statement:

"I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know what you are expecting / wanting if we do meet. You need to catch my eye and have something that is exciting or a real gentleman even if it's just for a few meets. ".

Background: Super hot 19 yo, profile is a month old.

I read this as " "I will not respond to the typical inbox of wanting to get to know me. I like to get straight to the point and know how much you are going to pay me and what's the least I have to do to get it if we do meet. You need to outbid everyone else or not expect sex even if it's just for a few meets. ".

Am I wrong?

[John G Smith]

What JeezLizard said is pretty much spot on. I'll just relay an experience I had the other day.

I was exchanging emails with this 18 year-old Asian from CL. She said she was a nursing student but after a little detective work, I found out she was still in high school. Thankfully she was already 18 by a few months (always do your due diligence guys). Anyway in the initial messages she said she was not looking for an arrangement that involved sex. She wanted an allowance just for hanging out. We exchanged pictures and talked a bit, and then pretty soon she was "open" to having a physical relationship at some point. I explained that we can hang out and I'll buy her dinner, but I wouldn't give an allowance until the arrangement was "consummated". I said I would be glad to take things slow and wait until she was comfortable with me, but the sugar wouldn't flow until I got sugar. Later on the day she wanted to do a M&G, but she mentioned how she needed to be really discrete and had limited time. This meant I would have to pick her up and then drive somewhere far for the M&G. This wasn't really appealing to either of us and I got a sense that she really wanted some money in her pocket now. So I casually brought up if we just got things started right away and I would give her the allowance right away. She became receptive to this and before long we were talking about how she was going to swallow my load in the back seat of my car. This whole progression happened over just a 24 hour period. We didn't meet that night because she can only get out late and she lives close to a hour away, so it would require more prep work on my part to see her. But I'm planning to see her this Friday.

A few observations:

- I can tell she uses the "No Sex" proclamation to scare off weirdos and also to try to score an easy paid date with minimal work. Remember quite a few of these girls have boyfriends, so some of them especially the younger ones, think it's not cheating having a sugar daddy as long as they don't have sex. At least that's their initial justification to dip their toes into the Bowl.

- Once she saw my pictures, she dropped her "No Sex" clause. So I met a certain attractiveness threshold for her to consider sleeping with me. Then it was just a matter of money and making her feel at ease.

- She still lives at home, has no car, tight schedule, and needs to be discrete. If you encounter a girl in a similar situation, then you're actually in the advantage because she will have limited options in terms of SDs. This Asian girl is drop-dead cute and would probably be commanding 3 x the allowance I offered her if she was in LA. But with her situation, I'm able to get her now because most guys wouldn't be able to jump through the hoops she requires. I think that's why she changed her mind about sex pretty quickly once I appeared acceptable to her.

Yes it's annoying seeing "Platonic Only" and "No Sex" SBs on profiles and such. But use it to your advantage to fish in less crowded waters. Girls who mention they don't want sex often have a much lower response rate from guys, so there's less competition. It still might not work out, but if you think the girl is appealing enough then sometimes it's worth the gamble. In my case, it's so hard to find cute 18-22 year-old Asian girls who aren't asking for ridiculous allowances or who are willing to date a married SD. So I took the chance and it seems like the gamble may pay off. She feels more like a BC girl, but I'm not complaining.

[Kirkachoo]

I am trying to get into the game but I need some tips. How do you make a CL ad that don't get flagged straight off the bat? Or even at all? Certainly I want to post looking for a SB but just can't get to get it past the CL filters advice will be appreciated. Thanks! I also created a SDT page but I have heard of some success stories on CL as well so I am willing to give it a try.

[Dsprdo]

First of all, are there really guys who are paying these girls to be their platonic friend? I mean, seriously? I can't begin to imagine who is so lonely but has so much disposable income that he's throwing money at some girl just to be his platonic friend. I have plenty of platonic friends (some of which look way hotter than some of these girls on SA) and I don't need to throw a dime at them. If you have to pay someone money for their friendship, it's not genuine friendship and isn't worth having.

For a couple of weeks now I've been emailing a cute 18 yo Pot. It started out good, she was very friendly, in her emails was open to the idea of a physical realtionship, and seemed eager to meet. BUT every time I suggested coffee, or lunch or whatever, she was too busy. Earlier today I decided I was wasting my time and decided to write her off. I sent her a nice not saying she seemed to have a lot going on, and if in the future things calmed down and she wanted to meet to get in touch. I wasn't planning on pursuing her any further. A couple of hours later I get this:

"Hello good afternoon. Hope your having a good day. Hope to see you next week, I need a phone asap and I can't get it because I have not been working since I'm out of the state with family. But I have been looking online on virgin mobile and they have a little discount and iPhone 5's 16 gb is 495.99 & iPhone 5 c 16 gb is 404.99 $. Maybe you can do me a favor and help me out, Ii would really appriciate it! ".

So she doesn't even want to bother with the platonic friendship, wants to go straight to the pay window! I politely explained that the sugar budget is for sugar babies, and don't expect to hear from her again.

[Dolato]

So the above leads me to a question for your guys. The last two times we had sex, she did not reciprocate oral. And I'm a huge oral fan. Night before last, I went down on her twice, both times giving her a nice O. She gets very sensitive and is not a "back to back" girl with the orgasms. After she has one, she has to have time before I can even touch her clit. Actually a means for me to tease her as she squirms around the bed giggling while I continue to try and lick her. Haha. So anyhow, I lie back thinking it's my turn and she just lays there. Nada. My dick is rock hard up against, obviously seeking some attention and she does not even touch it. I chalked it up to being young and inexperienced. Now this girl is attracted to me and has convinced me she likes older men. I'm not bragging, but I'm in good shape, clean, keep junior well groomed and he's no ugly dick. But this girl does not go there. A side of me wanted to just tell, her, "hey someone needs some attention, but given her "tender" personality, I don't want to come across as wrong.

I'm sure she'd say something if you came up short in what she expects from you. Along those lines, if you enjoy oral and she's not up for it, then she's not fully meeting your needs. Either she should return the oral favor after you've talked to her, you accept that there will be no oral from her, or you put up with that until you find someone else to take her place.

[JZLizard]

So the above leads me to a question for your guys. The last two times we had sex, she did not reciprocate oral. And I'm a huge oral fan. Night before last, I went down on her twice, both times giving her a nice O. She gets very sensitive and is not a "back to back" girl with the orgasms. After she has one, she has to have time before I can even touch her clit. Actually a means for me to tease her as she squirms around the bed giggling while I continue to try and lick her. Haha. So anyhow, I lie back thinking it's my turn and she just lays there. Nada. My dick is rock hard up against, obviously seeking some attention and she does not even touch it. I chalked it up to being young and inexperienced. Now this girl is attracted to me and has convinced me she likes older men. I'm not bragging, but I'm in good shape, clean, keep junior well groomed and he's no ugly dick. But this girl does not go there. A side of me wanted to just tell, her, "hey someone needs some attention, but given her "tender" personality, I don't want to come across as wrong.

I like oral too, and sometimes if I'm not getting satisfied orally I will do something like position her on the bed or couch (sometimes kneeling while I stand next to the bed, or maybe laying on their side and me on my knees) and just sort of fuck her face for lack of a better term, telling her what I want along the way. Not forcefully or anything but assertively. I'd rather be able to just sit back and have them exhibit some skill and enthusiasm, but sometimes you have to take charge of the situation and truthfully most of them like it when you do.

I used to have a GF with an aversion to semen. She would suck it but she didn't like for me to cum in her mouth. Too bad, because when I go down on them I want them to be satisfied, I could care less if they piss uncontrollably while I'm doing it --you're either committed to giving someone pleasure or you're not. So her trick was to suck me part of the way then climb on or get me in her vag. I think she was trying to get pregnant by me. Sometimes I would do things her way and go ahead and finish by pulling out and spraying her tits instead of in the mouth. Well one time I got fed up with her games, when she teased my cock to the point of almost coming then laid back as if to say she was finished with the mouth action, I pushed her knees back over her head and went for the anus. As she was adamantly telling me "no", I proceeded on my mission. I put it in only about half way (she was a small girl) and pumped with gentle strokes -- she stopped complaining and I came in her ass. She later talked about how surprised she was that she liked that and how we should do it more often. They are very out of touch with what they think they want.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Both have their unique qualities and offset one from the other. Which I like. SB #1. Is nice and sweet, age 20, prefers a more gentle and sensual approach. She always goes for sex and rather early on with our dates, but as an experienced older man, I still notice and maintain there is a slight degree of "faking" going on. Although she does always have an O or two from DATY.

So the above leads me to a question for your guys. The last two times we had sex, she did not reciprocate oral. And I'm a huge oral fan. Night before last, I went down on her twice, both times giving her a nice O. She gets very sensitive and is not a "back to back" girl with the orgasms. After she has one, she has to have time before I can even touch her clit. Actually a means for me to tease her as she squirms around the bed giggling while I continue to try and lick her. Haha. So anyhow, I lie back thinking it's my turn and she just lays there. Nada. My dick is rock hard up against, obviously seeking some attention and she does not even touch it. I chalked it up to being young and inexperienced. Now this girl is attracted to me and has convinced me she likes older men. I'm not bragging, but I'm in good shape, clean, keep junior well groomed and he's no ugly dick. But this girl does not go there. A side of me wanted to just tell, her, "hey someone needs some attention, but given her "tender" personality, I don't want to come across as wrong.

SB#2 age 24 who I clasiify as a nympho who is not seeking payment, just total dominate sex...holly fuck she was wild. I wasn't at her place thirty minues and she brings out handcuffs, tosses them at me, and tells me to take her away. Next think I know, I find myself at this girl apartment with her on her knees, handcuffed as she desperately tries to suck my dick, insisting a slap her face with my cock and then face fuck her. Incredible and reality from that night has not quite sunk in yet. This girl is indeed a rare find. She is a working professiona, college grad with a model's face, a touch of baby fat, and the pinkest tightest pussy you have ever seen. If you met her in public you would not guess in ten thousand years she was the way she is sexually. We fucked until I had pain in my chest.

So with the above said, something is amiss about her. Can't quite put my finger on it. And that can be scary for those who have been there before, you know what I mean. She is a great fuck, but not someone I could fall for. SB#1 is less sexually, but her sweet innocent nature is winning me over fast.

[JZLizard]

First of all, are there really guys who are paying these girls to be their platonic friend? I mean, seriously? I can't begin to imagine who is so lonely but has so much disposable income that he's throwing money at some girl just to be his platonic friend.

Possible theories. Note these are guesswork at best, since I've only had brief passing encounters with SBs that say this on their site.

1. Some of these girls are taking a very cautious approach, and the platonic nonsense is mostly a CYA move in case someone they know sees their profile online. It's well known that there have been many an escort throughout history who claimed all her clients just want "companionship, dinner date etc.", and while some of them might have been using that as an excuse to escape a creeper or someone they just couldn't stomach having sex with, the bottom line is that they probably fucked most of their dates.

2. Maybe they are just dreamers hoping for something that's out there but doesn't really exist. The market will correct itself soon enough.

3. They know full well they want a "real" arrangement but they are trying to scare off the type of guys who will solicit a sex transaction right away. I've met lots of girls who gushed at the fact that I did not even talk about sexual expectations until we were already in the bed. I had one 18 year old send me copies of these weirdo e-mails she would get, and would say "now do you see what we girls put up with from this site"? Some girls actually want that kind of directness while others are repulsed by it, so I think by saying "platonic only" it's a pre-emptive move on their part. Similar theory to #1.

Sometimes women say one thing and do another. Wait, not sometimes, often. In civy dating, I've seen so many women establish un-passable sexual boundaries only to cave in shortly thereafter.

Case #1: One girl told me "no matter what we will hang out just as friends, not with benefits! (because she knew I had a GF and she was not that type of girl... Three hours into the first date she is deep throating me and leaving teethmarks on my balls).

Case #2: Another girl said she joined the dating site just to find friends to hang out with because her fianc was in another state. Fucked her on the first meeting and every date thereafter (about 20 times). Got to the point she was letting middle aged me spend the night in her dorm room, right there in front of her roommate.

You get the idea...I could think of many more where she says her rule is such and such, but it took nothing for the guard to come down and rules to be broken.

So while just as you I do wonder if there are guys out there really paying them for no sex. My experiences with SB have been nothing if not an extension of my civy experiences, and I say women are women when it comes to sex. If anything the fact they are on a SD site in the first place tells me they are more likely to compromise these high moral standards they've portrayed for themselves than a regular civy date would.

One SB contacted me once, and she looked good but I noticed in her profile she said absolutely, positively, NO sex on the first date. I wrote back and said thanks for the wink but with me the mutual attraction is either there on the first date or not, and if I wanted sex and she refused it would just be a waste of our time, and I included a set of photos. She wrote back indicating okay she was open to the possibility of sex on the first date. Hehe.

So if you see something you like, I'd say investigate further even if they have ridiculous boundaries established. Women change their mind at the drop of a hat. I doubt any guy is going to give them money for friendship, and if those type of chumps do exist I'd say they are few and far between, so worst thing that can happen is the unrealistic-minded ones simply dream themselves out of the game entirely.

[FotoGuy1970]

In my conservative area, it is not at all uncommon for me to see a fair number of girls on SA who have in their profile, "only looking for platonic arrangements" or "not looking for anything sexual". When I see those profiles, I'm befuddled and irate at the same time.

First of all, are there really guys who are paying these girls to be their platonic friend? I mean, seriously? I can't begin to imagine who is so lonely but has so much disposable income that he's throwing money at some girl just to be his platonic friend. I have plenty of platonic friends (some of which look way hotter than some of these girls on SA) and I don't need to throw a dime at them. If you have to pay someone money for their friendship, it's not genuine friendship and isn't worth having.

But then, who are these girls who are taking advantage of these poor guys who just want a friend so badly they are giving them money to be one? The girls who are taking money to be a "friend" are the worst for taking advantage of the loneliest of the lonely guys. Seriously. There is nothing mutually beneficial about having a "friend" that must be paid for. There's another term for that, and it sure isn't "friend".

Had to vent about that nonsense after seeing an average of one or two "platonic only" profiles on each page of the first five-six pages of my local search. / rant off.

[CaneBay]

I have been busy with traveling for work and fun. Sorry for the delay with the update. I have 3 current SB's in the stable. All are reliable when I am in their area, but I do not have my long term unicorn yet. Two are college SB's with jobs and are very low cost. Just like the idea of being with an older man that can get the job done multiple times. Third is a single mom aa. She is back up in ATL when a new POT no-shows or I didn't set anything up with college SB. I am working two new POTS, both in college. One 21 and the other 25 with 2 kids. I have not had a SB with kids yet so this will be a learning curve. She is new to the scene, has a bf and needs some help each month to keep her bills paid. She wants to be more discrete then me. MG at a hotel parking lot tomorrow. This one could be promising. Working another POT for a couple weeks now about 4 hours from me. I do not travel there often but she has been great with texts and pics. MG next Tuesday. I have been fishing on SDT and WYP exclusively with good success. It is important to hit early and have a great intro letter. Next best time is after a week or two after all the "wierdos" contact them..

I have been debating putting out a CL ad and joining SA, but to be honest I have my hands full with SDT and WYP. SDT is free and I spend about 50 every 4 weeks on WYP. Good Luck brothers. Sun tan time is here. Babies are looking HOT!