"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Well the closest you can get to an amateur is to be the first guy to pay her. That's always my ultimate goal. But hard to find. I have done it more than a few times for sure. But need some utr's to fill in along the way.

Quantity over Quality.

If you have enough quantity there will always be some quality in there. As far as I am concerned every girl is an unknown (looks and financial status aside) until you meet in the FC.

Budgeting.

I always start out with the $ per visit, but I know there are always going to be extra payments for one thing an another. So far this year I am at about $.3 overall. But my ATF is at $.5. If I started out at $$ it would probably end up at $$.5. Lets call it SB creep.

Size.

Yes it does matter. For anal a girl may prefer a smaller one. Just to stare at or give a HJ. The bigger the better. For intercourse usually above average helps. But for enough sugar you will always have the biggest one ever.

I was with a utr girl not long ago.

I say "so how do like daddies big cock".

She says "I've seen bigger".

I guess I wasn't paying her enough. LOL.

[Norm Gerd]

Met a civilian in real life and turned her into a SB? Someone you met socially who you were able to make a SD / sb proposal to? Either a social acquaintance or a total stranger. I met someone and was curious how to approach it, or even if you all think it could be done. I think it it can be done. A SB I was emailing with some time ago advised me she got into the SB scene because an older, well dressed but not attractive gentleman approached her on the street, gave her his card and basically propositioned her while she was on her way to a date with someone her own age. After drinks with the young loser her own age, she decided to call the gent. And entered the world of SD / sb relations. I'm not smooth or "suave" but the SB pool in my area seems weak, which makes the ones who are around more in demand. It's hard to even get a response on any of the websites.

In my current case, I have to be super careful, and if she told anyone it could have repercussions for me, since we have some mutual acquaintances.

I await your responses.

Norm!

[GeorgeRichmond]

Some FB research on the girl once I know her name has actually saved me from wasting time on a pig or two, since the photos they post there tend to reveal more.

I agree. I have been trying to find twitter, FB or just google image search gave me good details. Many of the newbies don't know that their real email or phone number can give lot more details. I just found one POT SB with fraud charges or one POT with all kind of smoke, going with others..! It helped me...to avoid those POTs.

[JZLizard]

In the past I've had a couple of times in civy dating M&Gs that were disappointing in the sense that the reality didn't quite live up to the photo, but I think I was lucky in that I don't think any of them were intentional false advertising cases. My SB meets have been the opposite -- their real looks have turned out as good as or better than their photos. Maybe one key to success has been asking early on for recent photos (in addition to any profile pics), and if any aspect of photos was dodgy or seemed to be hiding something I asked for a few more. Be wary of photos that have been filtered with instagram and the like. Don't worry if their profile pics are dodgy or limited, they may just want privacy, its the ones you receive in follow up that matter most.

That sucks that that happened to you after a long drive like that, I can imagine how disappointing it must have been. It sounds like she willingly misrepresented herself, and in that case I would have felt no guilt in just walking away like she said other guys had done.

Some FB research on the girl once I know her name has actually saved me from wasting time on a pig or two, since the photos they post there tend to reveal more.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Did a M&G last night, drive 3 hours to Charleston for this one. She assured me sex was on the table after a M&G. Her photos on her profile were waist up, hair done, makeup, likely a professional photo. She looked hot on there. We had been emailing and texting for over a week. Hundreds of texts (lots of work and I'm cutting back on this aspect now).

So I show up, settle in with a beer and wait for her. She texts she has arrived and is looking for me. Well, she walked right by and I did not recognize her. Yep, you guessed it, she was ugly as sin. Girl has on baggy jeans, was short stocky, massive, big boned girl, hair pulled back, no makeup. ETC., She was 26, but looked like an un-kept middle aged housewife. My first thought was literally, "you couldn't pay ME to fuck you.".

She was an educated, well spoken girl. I drove four hours, so I figured we could have a few drinks, might as well. She had a huge chest, but no ass, and I don't care for women with a big bone structure. She was nearly as wide as she was tall. Totally not my type. She even told me she had a few men show up and walk off. I was like, "didn't that tell you something, be honest with who you are!

She did say she wanted to meet for sex dates and told me she likes sex. Really, no shit, as I doubt most guys would do you for free, was what I was thinking. I went along with it, and was polite, bought her dinner, etc. But will not be in contact.

Moral of the story was not so much I felt mislead, as that will happen with this hobby, but was anger at myself for all the damn time spent texting and emailing and realizing I was going to have to start all over with that, with another girl.

For that reason, I'm going to start recycling and saving texts and email. LOL.

Well, off to the hunting grounds to try and find another.

[FredMoore]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

I like the idea of a chat with her about what your needs are. Some girls just do not love sex and never will others will treat it as means to an end. But, if you are an attentive lover you might back off on the make out scene and work on pleasuring her. First with a long massage followed by clitoral stim, oral, and finally intercourse. If she has not had an O by the time you have done all that then either 1) you don't have skills in the pleasuring department, or 2) she is frigid, perhaps damaged goods from trauma, abuse, or whatever.

[Rouleur]

In the early hours of the morning, in a suite at the MC Resort in Las Vegas, I had one of the most enjoyable sexual encounters of my 56 year old life. My 20 year old Amerasian friend arrived early and we had 6 hours of talking, tasting, listening, exploring, penetrating, and coming. Feb 11 2013 was the last time I had sex with my Ex, the night our marriage ended. The joy of tasting the wet warm and almost cliche tight flower of my friend is beyond my ability to describe. I've had some medical issues that sometimes gave me ED problems during my marriage. That was not remotely a problem last night. In fact I am wondering now if the ED was more a symptom of the routine semi comatose sex my Ex provided rather than my Cardiac problems.

I wish I had the skill to adequately describe my encounter in a way that was entertaining for my fellow SD's Unfortunately all I can offer is that I am the happiest and most physically satisfied that I've been in years... And we are getting together again on Thursday!

By the way, other than ordering some room service food for her, no money was exchanged, no talk of compensation, nothing. I did slip a gift card into her bag while she was in the shower and it was very much appreciated. Thanks again for the Seniors who offered advice and encouragement during my first tentative steps in the Sugar Bowl.

[JZLizard]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

I reserved comment for a while here because others' opinions may vary here. But, based on the types of girls I see, I think someone trying to migrate from a BP girl (even a high class one) to the SB scene is up against major challenges. First, she's already in a situation that by all rights should provide her more income per hour than an SB would make, so she's a little spoiled in that regard. BP opens her customer base to guys who won't or can't pay for SD membership, and thus she is already a higher volume girl. That alone marks her off the list of what I would be looking for. The fact she is lousy in bed means she could run the risk of SDs like me who are insulted by being treated like an hourly customer, and would end up not gifting her for lousy sex and a rushed job even if she's established in her daytime career and educated. If she is not performing well sexually at the BP girl level she would be a super dud as an SB, in my opinion.

Part of the allure and excitement that I find in SBs is the fact that they genuinely enjoy sex. The allowance is just something to distance herself from the SD in a way that she can focus on her own fantasies, in the same way we want to distance ourselves from emotional attachment to them. I try to weed out the would-be pros and former pros in my searches and follow up conversations (which is not always easy and occasionally leads to wasted time).

I actually see SB as a stepping stone where a girl can figure out whether she is cold enough to be a pro, or if she just likes the idea of an older partner and mentor that can help her move past her current position in life. Most of the SBs that have ranked high with me have a genuine attraction to older men, and older successful men in particular. A true SB would really like to minimize their quantity of sex partners and find one that can REALLY take care of them. There are varying degrees of SBs below that, some of whom don't care how many guys they fuck as long as they reach a certain income level, and I see most of that type as a future escort even if they don't realize it yet.

It's a great question and a very worthwhile discussion, particularly considering the subject line of this thread (amateurs or not). I just think it's very hard for someone who has been pro to go backwards to being an SB amateur in search of a secure allowance. Seems counter-productive IMO? One mans opinion...

[Graham111]

With a lot of talk about prices lately, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss about defining your own success.

I think we all do share one common goal of getting young hot sexually open girls while not breaking the bank in the process. It's safe to say we all pretty much share that goal. But beyond that, it's important to set your own goals and you shouldn't feel pressured by the clubhouse here to adhere to a certain price structure. And if you want to go to dinner and movie with your SB don't feel ashamed about it, it's your prerogative.

It's pretty common for all new SDs to overpay in their first few months in the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar Bowl can be overwhelming at first with literally a conveyor belt of real college girls letting you have a real sex with them (not that mechanical fake shit you get from escorts) for just a few hundred dollars. But after you've been in the Bowl for a few months or so, you gradually sharpen your sword a bit and you learn you can often get more with less.

Having said that, still keep your own goals in mind. Don't get caught-up in the Budget-Arms race. If you can get what you're looking for at 100, then fantastic. But if 100/ date don't mesh with the target girls and experience you want, then don't get caught up in the budget wars. I got caught-up last summer and I let a couple of really good SBs slip through my hands because I was over-extended to where I didn't have the resources to hold on to the quality SBs that landed in my lap. If I just gave those quality SBs 200-250, (they were worth twice the amount, IMO) I could have held on to them. So I took my eye off the ball and lost some good ones.

If you have the means to comfortably afford 300-400/ date, then go for it. Obviously be smart about it and don't just drop that amount money on a no-sex M&G. Those type of actions do make it difficult for the rest of SDs if girls are expecting to get paid for M&Gs. Otherwise, what you want to pay your SB is entirely up to you. The advantages of having a higher budget is that you'll be able to attract more top-end white girls and asian girls. Or you can fly-in top-end black / latina girls from out of state and pretty much pay the same thing. Also with a higher budget, you're far less likely to get outbid by another SD, so you'll be able to hold on to the ones you like. So if you have the means, don't feel like you have to settle for the "100" range girls to get your SD card stamped around here. Go after what you want.

Hollywood and I have two different approaches. He goes for volume and plays the numbers game, and I try to aim for quality over quantity. Our differing approach has a lot to do with our different situations. I'm married so there's no way I could juggle an endless stream of pussy. Hollywood isn't married so he has to fill more slots. My point is, it's important to understand your situation and adjust your approach appropriately. We've had quite a few married members come through here over the years and completely overdose on pussy the first 6 months and quickly flame-out, due to exposure from the SO or financial problems. It's important to remember if you're married, the higher volume of girls you're seeing directly increases your risk of exposure. So if you want to have a long career in the bowl or at least be able to retire with your nuts still in tact, then understand your situation, define your own success, and be smart. We will love to hear your stories and exploits regardless of how much you spend and how many girls you see. It's the different approaches that make things interesting and helps us all learn something new.

From a guy who must know...I have reduced my budget from $$ to $ and it's a lot tougher. Had to do with my situation but even anything above $ goes down much better. Must be why Walmart always prices in weird uneven numbers...LOL.

[Dolato]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

How long have you been seeing her? If it seems like she's not moving away from the escort sex, I'd have a talk with her. I'm not sure how I'd approach the subject, but let her know how you feel about the sex. It may be that the escort sex is all she ever knew even before getting on BP. If she's willing to learn, then you get to teach her about the passionate side of sex rather than just getting off asap.

[JZLizard]

They are forward and right to the point some of these girls these days. But it added another fine dimension to this whole SD thing. NOT ALL THE GIRLS WANT HUGE DICKS!! LOL. When dating MILF, or cougars in the past, they all want king kong, so this is a nice aspect of SD dating younger women. I think at least.

I haven't had any SBs ask me in e-mail (and usually once in person they get to see it soon enough without asking), and not many civys in the past (prior to meeting in email at least) that come to mind, but I think in general dick curiosity is not a new thing. I can remember being maybe 5-6 years old the neighborhood girls 2-3 years older than me giggling and asking me if I was old enough for it to get hard yet and I wasn't shy about dropping trou, showing them how quickly I could work up a miniature boner. Later on I can remember girls asking if they can put their hands down my pants around the 7th-8th grade, or in the 9th grade passing me a note in class asking how big it was, asking me to estimate by drawing on the paper. Similar stories throughout high school. Several years back I was at a nightclub hitting on one girl, and her friend was much bolder than her and not too shy to do some recon work, so she stood in front of me, back facing my chest, acted like she was dancing rubbing her ass on my crotch, reached down with her hand and on the outside of my pants sized me up and announced the results to the other 4-5 people standing around talking, to all of our amusement (especially mine). I remember another time I met a girl in the club and she sat me down on a bench in front of a busy bar, straddled me cowgirl style, pulled my shirt up and stuck her hands down my pants and proceeded to give me a full-on tuggy while deep kissing as tons of people including the bouncers walked by and said nothing.

However with the SBs I've met it just doesn't happen because most of the mails happen prior to the first M&G, and at that point they are just holding out to see if my pictures are real or of someone else or 15 years old. So they usually don't get too curious or playful if they are planning to meet me in person anyway, in my limited experience.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Ok this can be a touchy subject for us men, but it's a real one and something I've stumbled on with this new generation of girls out there. Many are not shy about asking things that can be touchy for us guys. In corresponding with back and forth with several ladies on SA, I've been outright asked about my dick size. One of the girls was 21, not much experience and she blurted out when we met in person, "so how big is you dick" I answered truthfully and told her, well, I don't think it's small, a little bigger then average, but by no means huge." then she giggled and asked if she could see it. Haha. Well heck yeah. We were at a park in my motorhome. So I whipped it out and had a semi erection from the erotic nature of this encounter. She looked at it and said, "you're not small, you have a perfect dick." LOL. Then she giggled again and asked if she could touch it...well hell yeah. So she proceeded to get me rock hard. While stroking me, I asked, "do you like them huge, or something..and she said, "look at me, I'm 5'1" 100 pounds, what do you think, I asked you cause I probably have the smallest tightest little pussy you will ever have, I don't like big dicks" Oh wow. After some begging, she stroked me off and giggled and said she had fun, etc, etc.

Another girl on SA, flat out told me she liked big ones and she was only 24. But she was a built girl. Fine, I moved on.

Yet a third girl asked me the same thing and was more the like the first, indicating she met one man and he was huge and she did not have sex with him. She said she could not accommodate a big dick. LOL.

They are forward and right to the point some of these girls these days. But it added another fine dimension to this whole SD thing. NOT ALL THE GIRLS WANT HUGE DICKS!! LOL. When dating MILF, or cougars in the past, they all want king kong, so this is a nice aspect of SD dating younger women. I think at least.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

I'm sort of new to the SD scene, but have a little experience. I'm telling you the options out there right now are virtually limitless and there is no need to stay with a girl where the chemistry and sex is lacking. She has conditioned herself to "escort" style, just get it done type sex. In the SD world, it's our job to pay, be charming, be ourselves, be respectful and accommodating...it's her job to supply the sugar and a get to know your wants and desires so she can become a true GFE. If she lacks the capacity to do that, then you need to cut your losses and move on.

[Tommyboy]

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

[JZLizard]

So how do you do it? We all hate it when girls flake on us. So prepare her for separation.

My exit door is built into the blueprint early on. Since I'm only a seasonal traveling daddy, I tell them up front I am interested in interviewing SBs in the town they are in because of occasional travel to that area. So, for the most part if they are looking for someone to see every 4 times a month every month they already know I'm not going to be the one.

A couple of times I've gotten mushy e-mails to the effect that they say things like "if I meet the right guy and fall in love I'm open to that etc." and if I get kind of a overly gushing reaction to my photos telling me how attracted they are to me, I usually respond back being very clear that I'm not looking for any sort of regular dating scenario and that I really want the separation of a SD / SB arrangement and I need someone who can handle that, know its not going to change, and not be clingy.

So far it's worked out pretty well and while I've had a few turn crabby, as women sometimes do, I haven't had any stalkers, vengeful types, or walked away wishing I had done something really differently.

One of my SB's was a 20 year old stripper, and she was a little different in the sense that she would text me incessantly to ask "when are you coming again!??" meaning when would I be in town again, but that was a little different because I met her where she worked and she did not have the benefit of hearing my set of rules up front.