"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Oprime888]

So after my first night's adventures, I was scheduled to meet another 2 SBs on my second day in Vegas. One in the late afternoon and one for dinner. One was the missed date from last night (22 yo AA spinner, 5'3, 100 lbs, works as a stripper) and the second was a real POT. 19 yo latina (college student) who had only been on the site for a couple of days before I ensnared her. Needless to say, the AA spinner was a booty call and I was really looking forward to the my meet with the 19 yo latina.

The AA spinner did not flake this time and looked as good as her photos. Met at the bar, and she wanted to hang in the room immediately. Turns out she had been 86'ed from the property before, so it only confirmed my early suspicions that she was a WG or at best UTR. She's cute and funny, but very businessslike. We get down to business and she wants all the lights off! I manage to keep one light on but then she had all these rules...no kissing, no touching / eating of her pussy and capped right from the start! Sex was very mediocre and I even went soft for a while from the lack of chemistry. But like a horny old bastard, I soldiered on and busted one out in 10 minutes anyways. She was $ $ and needless to say, I did not repeat.

We finished up at about 730 pm and my next date was at 830 pm! The 19 yo latina was punctual and she even had to wait for 10 minutes. She was real sweet about it though and the difference between her and my date a few hours ago was night and day (in all senses of the word). This was a real SB in the making..young, sweet and very friendly. She had only been on the site for about 2 weeks and only closed one deal and I was her second. We had dinner and had a nice time talking and building chemistry. Being so young, she was quite taken by my experiences in life. I know that that's just the age difference and I certainly don't think I'm any wiser than I was when I was in my 20's, but I guess to a 19 yo, it's still more maturity than what she's used to. We make our way back to the room and she jumped on the bed and motioned me over...nothing was off limits for her (except anal)...and we were kissing up a storm. I went to town on her pussy and was also pleasantly surprised at her oral skills! When it was time for the action, she was tight as...I don't even...well, it was tight and we went at it for about 20 minutes before I unloaded my soldiers into their rubbery cage.

After more small talk, she got dressed and at no point raised the issue of sugar, but I'm clear what this is, so when we hugged to say goodbye, I slipped the agreed $ $ into her hand. All in all, 2 experiences hours apart, but were in fact worlds apart.

(There's a part 3! Stay tuned...).

[Oprime888]

Firstly, a huge thank you to all the greats of this forum for passing on such solid advice in the bowl. As a first timer, many of your stories and exploits helped me to avoid plenty of unnecessary blunders.

To get right into it, I was visiting Vegas for a week for work and decided to use SD4 ME to get some dates. My plan was to meet as many as possible in the first couple of days and hopefully, repeat the top 2 for the remainder of the trip.

So after sending out 500 over emails in a month and chatting to about 30, I narrowed my selection down to 6. With these 6, I laid out clear expectations as advised on this blog and was able to get all to agree to between $.5 to $ $.50 per date. (The $ depended on how attracted I was to each SB).

I scheduled 2 to meet on the day I landed and as expected, both flaked. I decided to use that money on the tables instead, and halfway through losing, one of the 2 texted and was suddenly able to meet in 20 minutes. I said sure, cut my losses and headed over to the bar to wait for her. While at the bar, these 2 young and very hot blondes (not older than 22) sidled up next to me and ordered tequila shots. They sounded a looked high (not sure from alcohol or...) I was waiting for my date, so made no move whatsoever, but the blonde next to me, would shoot me looks every now and then. I'm no hunk, so I know these girls are working me and I had a date coming so I just played it cool. 10 minutes later and my date still hasn't arrived and the blonde next to me starts chatting me up.

So I buy them shots and she starts with the small talk (from 'Frisco, works at the Spearmint Rhino, heading back home tomorrow etc), and now I'm thinking how much would these 2 cost me...about 10 minutes more, my date shows up (I know because she described what she was wearing). Now, the SB is not bad looking (single mum, early 20's, 5'5, about 120 lbs, brown hair, latin with a small belly). Cute, but next to these 2 blondes, she's a wallflower.

Decision time...do I honor the date with the SB or go into the unknown with these 2 super hot blonde strippers which are surely going to cost me more than $ $. In the end, the smaller head took control and I blew off my SB and invited these 2 strippers up to my room. No surprise ending here, it did not go well for me! In the lift, they started mauling me and taking off their tops (so this is what happens in Vegas!) By the time we got into my room, they were half naked and literally ripping my clothes off. They started going at each other while intermittently stuffing their titties in my face, stripper style.

And then of course, they told me how much it'd cost me.

A grand each.

I laughed and said I could never afford it and long story short, they told me to f* off and broke 2 pairs of my glasses on their way out (I had 5). I contemplated if I would have made a different decision knowing how it would end, but you know what...I'd still probably end up with 2 pairs of broken glasses. Hey, it's Vegas!

So if you're still reading at this point...I apologize if you found that first story irrelevant to this board, but I thought I should record my entire experience to share anyways. Take what you will from the story, but the moral is always the same. Man never makes good decisions with penis.

(Part 2 to follow shortly)..

[JZLizard]

Last long term thing was about six years ago-dated lots of "age appropriate" women from match or from friends set-ups for a while with zero interest in any of them as a new SO. After a couple of years of celibacy, went down the escort road, not satisfying, then happened on SB's. There are ups and downs (like in RL dating), but overall the last year has been great. I recently met an age appropriate woman who was clearly interested, and attractive for her (our) age, but she can't compare with the heat from even a short term thing with the dancer I am trying to close. And there are so many others-100% SB for me.

Not only this, but even if you decide that "age appropriate" means ten or fifteen years less than you previously thought, the fact that you've been banging SBs will give you the edge in lowering the age range of your civies, if you decided to go that route. Women can detect confidence like a dog can detect an unwanted visitor. The more you give the impression (without saying it or trying to convey it) that you're doing them a favor by being with them, the more they will want you!

But your post made me realize I should probably clarify one point -- when I refer to civy dating on match, POF etc., I do not necessarily mean going after "age appropriate" (by societies definition) women. I have met and banged girls on these sites that are open to SDs, some of them even opening the upper age range on their "desired age range" to 70 or whatever. In other words they are still SBs, they are just operating in a different environment.

There are some girls out there that want to be an SB in a latent sort of way, that are TRUE SBs (as opposed to hookers that see SD sites as yet another venue to market themselves). But many of them won't join an SB site or put their pictures there in any way because of the stigma and the fact they have real lives (but they would on a normal dating site because there's no shame). I know everyone here is after the 18-22 crowd but I promise you there are some 26-28 year olds out there who are actually hotter and have the experience and enthusiasm to put the high school grads with stars in their eyes to shame. The problem is that it takes more work to find them, and unfortunately I don't have that kind of time anymore. If I were without a stable relationship, even if I were 75 years old I would be exploring the less traveled paths without question. Some real finds there.

That brings me to another point -- don't hesitate to invest the time to read the profile criteria for those who didn't upload a photo. They are the ones most likely to be newbies and/or non-pros. You can find some real treats. Hot photos uploaded to an SD site shows she's at a whole new level and she's already WAY more involved in this than she will ever admit.

[Dsprdo]

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.

Last long term thing was about six years ago-dated lots of "age appropriate" women from match or from friends set-ups for a while with zero interest in any of them as a new SO. After a couple of years of celibacy, went down the escort road, not satisfying, then happened on SB's. There are ups and downs (like in RL dating), but overall the last year has been great. I recently met an age appropriate woman who was clearly interested, and attractive for her (our) age, but she can't compare with the heat from even a short term thing with the dancer I am trying to close. And there are so many others-100% SB for me.

[JZLizard]

I agree that it is very close to flushing money, but I have to say that I have gone out on a limb twice and not been burned. A while back I advanced 300 for rent to a SB who I had agreed to $ per meet, and she saw me 3 more times before breaking it off because I wasn't "reliable" enough (huh? Second time was at the M&G with my current, longest running, and now married SB, who said she felt 500/ mo for twice a week was good; I immediately took her home to the FC and gave her the 5. That has been a golden investment. I have said no to other women on several other occasions when I felt like it wasn't going to end well. I like to think it is my superior perception of character, but I'm probably just another sucker who's going to get burned sooner or later!

I think for purposes of this thread you're the exception rather than the rule. I have never advanced anyone money, but I imagine there's a difference between advancing someone money you've seen many times before versus someone you haven't banged yet, and I wasn't sure where your situation fits on that scale.

I will say this -- during my relatively sporadic SB career, I've learned one thing. SBs, unless they are just pros posing as SBs, can be so wildly different as individuals in terms of their expectations that it can be extremely challenging for someone like me to keep up with only one month a year to go twat-diving. I've met some that were clearly escorts using SD sites as a (as they perceive it) safer venue. I've met some that were clearly experimenting with the idea. I've met some that love the idea of travel and shopping sprees but if handing them cash will only anger them. I've met some that are victims of their own attractiveness -- they need to find a guy that's already married or taken, because anyone single will follow them around like a puppy dog and get on their nerves, but they have very little "need for financial help". Gauging which type they are is part of the challenge and part of what I find addictive.

So, while your experience varies from the norm here, I can understand how your experiences are so different from others. I find the same thing just jumping from city to city -- completely different attitudes sometimes in one geographic area, so much so that I have to adjust my own strategy in that particular area just to operate effectively.

But, I guess the bottom line is, if what you're doing is working for you then keep doing it. As a general guideline though, I'd say never advance money to someone you haven't already banged and don't know where she lives. If you're close enough with her to the point both of those are a yes, you've got an extra couple of feathers in your cap that move the odds of payback closer to your favor.

With my annual SB season I'm not looking to get that close to any of them. I should just change my name to 5-oclock Charlie (if you've ever seen MASH). I just cruise by and drop my payload then I'm gone until the next predictable time frame.

[Dsprdo]

My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.tt

I agree that it is very close to flushing money, but I have to say that I have gone out on a limb twice and not been burned. A while back I advanced 300 for rent to a SB who I had agreed to $ per meet, and she saw me 3 more times before breaking it off because I wasn't "reliable" enough (huh? Second time was at the M&G with my current, longest running, and now married SB, who said she felt 500/ mo for twice a week was good; I immediately took her home to the FC and gave her the 5. That has been a golden investment. I have said no to other women on several other occasions when I felt like it wasn't going to end well. I like to think it is my superior perception of character, but I'm probably just another sucker who's going to get burned sooner or later!

[GeorgeRichmond]

On a side note. Two sugar babies off of SA have been arrested in NC for prostitution and robbery. I won't give out names so that I won't violate any of the rules on here, but their profile is "Peaches and Cream".

Finally someone gave me a good news. Looks like they deserved it ...more and more SBs who are doing this! Lessons for them for robbery.

[Dolato]

On a side note. Two sugar babies off of SA have been arrested in NC for prostitution and robbery. I won't give out names so that I won't violate any of the rules on here, but their profile is "Peaches and Cream".

Goes to show you have to be careful regardless of how you hobby. I'm just as cautious meeting off of SD4 M as I am with HX. Be careful everyone.

[JZLizard]

At SD4 m they could care less. But I did get a foreign scammer thrown off of their once that had been on that site for about 4 years.

Yeah, there's nothing to say any given site will act on the report, but who knows if more than one SD calls her out then maybe she will get booted. Remember these girls don't pay the site's bills, the guys do and if the person who reads the report has any financial interest in the sites profitability, then it should be a good move in the favor of the SD, even if he never sees direct results or gets the girl booted, there's always a chance she will think twice next time. Since they don't have to link their credit card, there's probably not much stopping them from re-joining the site under new e-mail anyway, but anything that sends the message to the girl may help her realize she won't get away with it unnoticed. If nothing else reporting her will make the victim feel like less of a chump about the situation and that's better than nothing too IMO.

[Dirty Dingus]

At SD4 m they could care less. But I did get a foreign scammer thrown off of their once that had been on that site for about 4 years.

You got that right. SD4 me doesn't give a crap what is happening on their site. Why should they care? They are scammers themselves. If you don't believe me, give them your credit card number and see what happens. This has been discussed previously on here.

On a side note. Two sugar babies off of SA have been arrested in NC for prostitution and robbery. I won't give out names so that I won't violate any of the rules on here, but their profile is "Peaches and Cream".

[HollywoodGuy]

One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.

At SD4 m they could care less. But I did get a foreign scammer thrown off of their once that had been on that site for about 4 years.

[JZLizard]

The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.

One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.

[JZLizard]

Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?

Are the problems with Hushed that its pausing when you text? It didn't used to do that until a couple of updates ago, it used to work great. I hope they update it and fix it before my next season, as I was planning to let my burner phone expire. You could try Skype, which will let you purchase a number but its more expensive than Hushed and I've never really used Skype to SMS so I'm not sure how it works.

[SkinJr]

M / G went well today with 22 year old latina jersey girl spinner (4'11" yay! She stopped by a house that I am flipping. We sat in her car and talked for an hour. Very casual stuff just like we were on a date. She is married two years now but not happy. She is looking money for tuition. My spidey sense never went off. She was very reserved and cautious. She mentioned she did this once before in NJ before moving to NC several years ago. I kept debating several times to make a move but I decided to go slow so maybe I could build a steady FB since she is in my town, looking to be discreet, and she wants a steady arrangement.

After she left (I had to leave, plus I was tired of talking / listening) I text her and told her I found her really attractive and wanted to take the next step. She replied "me too" and asked what that was exactly. Like a kid I told her I wanted to get her alone and see that beautiful body. Immediately I text her again and said I hated to be so forward / fast but I am very busy and I know exactly what I want. And I wanted her. She text back that she wanted me bad, she didn't want to waste time, and she knew exactly what she wanted.

We started talking immediately about meeting. I tried getting her today (I had already had sex twice today) but she asked for Thursday due to her school and work schedule. Was probably a good thing for me. She is probably a 7/8 in face. But she is young and keeps her self put together so she looks better. Her tits were big and amazing in a low cut tank top. They will probably look look like shit when they are unsupported but damn they looked good. She has some nice round thighs which I love if the girl is not fat. She definitely has the latina curves without being chubby. In five years she will probably look like shit but right now she is awesome. I'm not a big fan of the jersey accent, but with the latina accent added in, it will be hot as shit as she fucks me and talks dirty. If she talks anywhere as dirty as my massage therapist she will be awesome. Meeting scheduled for Thurs lunch time anywhere I want her, hotel or foreclosed house, she "will be wherever I want her".

Massage therapist is needing me bad. Me or my money. I've done her three times now in hotels and she is loud as shit and dirty. I've been worried several times about hotel staff showing up. She is a 9/10 in bed. And freaky too. Offered to blow me and my boss if I couldn't ditch him one day. She was serious. We were going to do it in a repo house one time but cleaning lady showed up. Cleaning lady is hot and has been flirting with me. My sb offered to try and seduce cleaning lady for me. My sb wants to meet tonight but I can't do it.

Absolute smoke in myrtle still emails me every day. We have a friendly flirty thing going back and forth. She will send a casual selfie when I ask. Like today she was in gym working out. The other day it was beach selfies. I have got to get down there before she flakes or you bastards ruin her.

21 year old 5'1" (yay) big head of hair near Raleigh has been texting / emailing regularly for a week now. She has sent me many casual selfies, nothing racy, and seems legit. Going to school day time and cocktail waitresses at night. She is hot with the long brown hair, big brown eyes, and dark complexion. Luckily she has self esteem issues working at a mens club. She doesn't think she is anywhere as hot as the dancers. I'm actually looking forward to this one more than the smokeshow in myrtle. Diamond in the rough.

Several girls that seem legit are casually texting / emailing me. One college girl is spending the week in myrtle starting Weds and I'm trying to be her vacation fb. I've got a lot of hits from girls that are definitely pro or almost there. I may hit a few just to see.

Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?

Skin.

[FredMoore]

I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.

The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.