"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

So yesterday I went to see my jamaican princess for a second date. A solid 75 minute performance. I was done at 45 minutes but she kept it going even when she could see I was ready to stop. She was still a 9 all around, but I realized her act was a little too polished. A little spontaneous, but more like a favorite song you hear over and over until it gets boring. Not a big deal but she is in solid UTR status and not NP materiel. Too bad because she is so damn hot. I am going to see her again but not really sure where this is going.

So later that evening I went and saw a girl who admitted she was trying to go pro, but she was only 18 so I figured it might be fun. She did have a sexy ad on CL and that's how I met her. My time was limited so when I got there we just went straight at it for 30 minutes and then I had to leave. Half pacific islander half white. More like a 7 but willing to do a lot of kinky things and she had a whole bunch of toys and props that we only used a few of. I maybe might see her again for the full hour at $ and get to experience more of her skills which were quite varied. But the reason I cut it short aside from the fact that I already had almost 2 hours of sex between the two of them was.

That a met a real and super cute NP. She is an AA spinner type with curves 8.5/9/8/? , college student, retail shop girl that has no clue what she is doing. She lived right near the last girl, so I went to her apt and dropped off $25 so she could take the train to my house the next day. I promised her another $100 if she made it over the next day, meaning today. Well she did show up with the promise of some kissing and petting only. I was like no problem because she is the real deal. And she did offer to fuck me with a condom for $$ (which I declined). Well when she came over I told her "I am going to take a pass on everything" and just hang out and get to know you. I told her my whole story so if she decided to try to get on the A team she would know exactly what she was in for. Partly I did this to rest up a bit as I have dates every day for the next week if I want and partly is that she is a total first timer for sure. If I get her, no one else will.

That means all BB action from a sweet young girl that"s trying to act all independent, and has a good family to support her college plans. But like all young girls has fantasies she won't admit to but the seed is planted. The next date would minimally have to be her in the nude and I would hold back on the fucking if I had to, but not hold back on anything else. After 4 hours I took her home. So either she takes the bait or I am out $.25 for trying. My ATF princess is a true NP first timer and I am starting to realize just how rare that is. I meet lots of hot girls and their experience in being able to totally sexually satisfy a spoiled older guy is very much appreciated but psychologically its not always as fulfilling. Sexually they do me right, and if it wasn't for them I couldn't have even made a go of it with my ATF who had and still has a lot to learn. But she is learning and progressing and trying so hard to please her Daddy.

I have a 24 year old southern white trash spinner that just moved to L.A. a week ago that says I can come get her anytime and is DTF for a $. My new hot latina who is back in town. More than a few other UTR girls I recently met. And another very fragile Indian spinner that I am trying to get to just get to a coffee date. She is one of my fantasy girls I have yet to experience. Even though I do a lot of utr girls to keep the ball rolling. I am looking for the first timers. Even if they go pro, at least I got them for the short time they weren't. I have been with my ATF for over a year now. So it is possible.

[Applecart]

Having spent the 12 years in Asia it's an understatement to say there is "reverse culture" shock -- especially when it comes to a "target rich environment". The amount of work required to recruit, meet, evaluate, and stay safe in the US sugar bowl is tedious. About like trying to eat a hundred pounds of grits with a toothpick.

In China -- if you can speak Chinese -- you have to be careful not to be in a constant state of burn out. The tidal ways of university students is endless. And everyone is more than willing to help with your Chinese if you help with their English.

It's endless and the miles and miles of legs never stop. (Note: this is not a plug, but sometime check out "beauty leg" which has a tone of the tall thin ones, not do much the bubble butt types from southern China (which I happen to prefer, but I'll still take the long legged Dong Bei northeast types any time).

Thailand is not as good as it used to be, as the real Thai Princess types are more difficult to find. But when you do, they play on a whole different gee level and have skin and soft hands to die for. A kind of graceful elegance with big energy in the bed. They will get their fair share, and not stop until they are done. Haven't found one single Thai girl in my area that is under 35, married, and has kids. Very sad.

Singapore is ok, but really expensive and filled with pros from all over. But-- the real university types who you can locate, are a ton of fun and really special. (Finally found one Sing girl in my area who just graduated college. Ok lah).

At bottom, it all comes back to the target rich environment of China. But as money has proliferated, many of the best girls become Er Nai (second milk) trophies of the "new rich" types. Not hard to spot, they are dripping in designer clothes, cursing around in a Audi TT, and talking about their newly furnished apartment in Shenzhen down near Hong Kong.

Yet, still, there is plenty to go around, which brings us back to the language instructors. I used to post for Chinese language tutors, or go by many of the language centers and leave a card.

I could then screen from a dozen or so (at a time) and select the "best instructor".

Of course, she had no idea of my level of Chinese proficiency, but that just allowed me to control the pace of the class time.

Pretty soon you helping them work more on English than Chinese.

Home sessions are the best because people lose track of time.

Yep... Language instruction is the way to go.

Even here in the US I've had better success looking for "language help".

The language doesn't have to be Chinese, could be Tagalog if you Filipina LBFMs; perhaps Thai if your going to BKK; how about some Russian? Polish? Maybe Czech? Or, the hardest of all to acquire...Japanese.

For now, I'll stick to recruiting college age Chinese instructors who really need the extra money to support their studies...at least initially.

And by the way... Before you die, please go to Macau at least once. The Saunas there are something you have to see to believe. Be it Eighteen, Big Boss, or the others, just seeing that spectacle is really interesting.

[FeelGoodMd]

I jumped back into the Bowl in January. I have a long-term lover from AM, but she is very "vanilla," and neither she nor my wife meet my need for a submissive playmate. (AM is a very HOT and creative vanilla, but vanilla none-the-less).

I quickly met and started seeing three SB's, all of whom were looking for a Dominant daddy. One is a 19 yo white, not-quite-hot-but-sex-starved-enthusiastic-and-hot-enough college student, another a tall, thin 23 yo AA (who should be a model, but grew up fat and doesn't realize she's smoking hot), and the 3rd a 24 yo latina domestic violence counselor (and super petite spinner). The DV counselor likes it rougher than any other lover I've had. Go figure.

About 3 months ago, my sister (with crappy insurance) was diagnosed with breast cancer. I agreed to finance her chemotherapy, but that put a hit in my recreational budget. I told my SB's the situation, and that I could no longer give them gifts (usually between $ and $$ per visit) when I saw them.

A funny thing happened on the way out of the Sugar Bowl... I'm still with all three of them. They each said that the money wasn't as important as being able to sleep with / spend time with me. I've seen each of them half a dozen (or more) times since having "the conversation," and not spent a dime beyond the cost of notels. And my long-term AM lover is still going strong (and none the wiser).

I don't know how or why it happened, and I'm waiting for Karma to kick in and sock me between the eyes, but I'm enjoying it for now. Proof, I guess, that (seemingly) nice guys do finish first (and second, and third) sometimes.

Best of all, my sister's cancer is responding very well to the chemo, and she's having very few side effects. It is (by far) the best money I've ever spent.

Dr. Feelgood.

[FotoGuy1970]

I'm turned off by high volume girls, which is one reason I don't go after escorts / utr / career SBs, etc.

I agree 100%.

In other news, my SB candidates from SA have disappeared or have taken themselves out of the running. Worthwhile new girls in my area are few and far between, so I even tried the two closest major cities (Detroit and Chicago) for a possible long-distance arrangement. I had a few nibbles, but those have dried up also and I doubt I will pursue long-distance possibilities any further.

CL is starting to let me post again, but I have to be very careful with the wording of my ads or they get deleted before they even make it live. Replies to my vague ads are nowhere near as good or as frequent as when I could come right out and use sugar terminology. I also have to stick to my immediate area. Anytime I try to post in a larger and better city that's about an hour away from me, my ads inevitably get flagged and taken down.

It looks like I'm going to be taking a vacation from the sugar world, unless SA activity in my area suddenly spikes in the next couple weeks. My SA membership is good through the end of May, and if I haven't gotten a good, regular SB by then, I'll take a respite and check back at the end of summer, when the SBs will be starting to go back to school. This time of year just sucks for trying to build an arrangement with HCBs, because of finals and all that. Several of my potentials have crashed and burned because of finals and not being able to communicate on a regular basis or even schedule a M&G because of their heavy workload.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why waste a perfectly good vagina.

LOLZ. Funniest thing I read all day.

[JZLizard]

Each to his own but these Porn girls just have to "assume the position" and moan and grimace at the right time while the stud pounds her for 1000 strokes. Doesn't appeal to me. I like the less experienced but impressional types. I saw a Cali girl several years back who was hot for a 35 yr old but a little ridden hard looking who said she was a porn actress in her younger years. She introduced me to anal and I was not all that impressed. Why waste a perfectly good vagina.

In general, like many guys I'm sure, the less a girls twat has been used as a public playground, the more fun I have with them during sex. In certain situations and up to a point, sexual experience on their part is a good thing, but it's usually a negative to me. The ones who have lived a promiscuous enjoy themselves while fucking, and yes that's fun sometimes but the ones who have not shared their goods with the world are much more reactive and sensitive in bed, and that's a huge turn on for me.

I'm turned off by high volume girls, which is one reason I don't go after escorts / utr / career SBs, etc.

[FredMoore]

I've seen that. One common theme I've noticed there is the purpose seems to be able to say BTDT. Most report the actual sex is quite lousy. That's one reason I'd require an all-nighter.

Each to his own but these Porn girls just have to "assume the position" and moan and grimace at the right time while the stud pounds her for 1000 strokes. Doesn't appeal to me. I like the less experienced but impressional types. I saw a Cali girl several years back who was hot for a 35 yr old but a little ridden hard looking who said she was a porn actress in her younger years. She introduced me to anal and I was not all that impressed. Why waste a perfectly good vagina.

[SkinJr]

I woke up this morning to six messages from sbs I emailed not so recently. The flood gates have opened.

Wait till the girls are out of school in a few weeks should pick up fast.

[JZLizard]

BTW. There is a porn star thread in the los angeles section quoting names and prices.

I've seen that. One common theme I've noticed there is the purpose seems to be able to say BTDT. Most report the actual sex is quite lousy. That's one reason I'd require an all-nighter.

[JZLizard]

She was engaged when we met but had told him she wanted to call it off. She got lots of pressure from her family and fiancee and finally went through with it. In the meantime we got close. I think she'll end up divorced in a year or two, but everyone has to make their own mistakes. I am giving her a very modest amount, so I'm not sure its all about the money.

If you look at the girl I wrote from 20 yrs ago in post #6051, she was happily engaged when I met her. She was on kind of a bachelorette / birth party combination celebration on the night I met her at that nightclub. She initiated the meeting with me by sending her friend over to let me know she was interested in knowing me. Right after we fucked the first time, she ended up breaking up with her fiancé, telling him exactly what had happened and that she wanted to try a relationship with me. He told her she was making a mistake, but he would be there for her when she was ready to come back (which I thought was NUTS! I couldn't fathom saying that). She got pregnant with my kid (was supposed to be on the pill), got an abortion and I didn't trust her after that (she was a compulsive liar anyway) so I didn't want any more to do with her. She immediately went running back to him, moved to another state.

I always wondered what happened with those two until Facebook came along. I can look them up today, they are still happily (it seems) married after all this time, have three kids together, seem like a nice family. She was a professional lingerie model stunner back then and while is not really fat I would not recognize her at the mall if I walked by her -- she is not fuckable at any price to me these days.

The real happy ending (no pun intended) to the story is that via Facebook, I was able to confirm by the age of the kids that none of them were mine. She had put some doubt in my mind right as a broke up with her before she moved out of state, just to be vengeful and while I didn't lose sleep I wondered about it for a long time.

But yes, married / engaged girls cheat sometimes, unfortunately. I would never do it in an engagement situation. I have done it as a married man of course but that is after some level of boredom or dissatisfaction with things in general. I wouldn't do it fresh out of a honeymoon, ever, or even a year later.

[Beachesnole02]

A couple of my regulars over the last year are married. Works for me, on the pill, semi monogamous so low risk for bare back sex.

[Dsprdo]

Sheesh! What a world we live in. A girl gets married and still wants to fuck around. Why get married at all? I guess money is the answer. What some girls will do to "live the life " You married guys know already how bad a marriage can be if you are not blissfully happy. But to live with a guy you don't care enough about to be monogamous, at least for a while.

She was engaged when we met but had told him she wanted to call it off. She got lots of pressure from her family and fiancee and finally went through with it. In the meantime we got close. I think she'll end up divorced in a year or two, but everyone has to make their own mistakes. I am giving her a very modest amount, so I'm not sure its all about the money.

[FredMoore]

I still have my one regular SB. She just got married a couple of weeks ago, but she wants to continue and is coming over this afternoon. She is a little blond spinner, not gorgeous, but attractive and she has been very sweet and she is very inexpensive. I will keep her around as long as I can. Just don't know how much time she will have to devote now that she is moved in with her SO.

Sheesh! What a world we live in. A girl gets married and still wants to fuck around. Why get married at all? I guess money is the answer. What some girls will do to "live the life " You married guys know already how bad a marriage can be if you are not blissfully happy. But to live with a guy you don't care enough about to be monogamous, at least for a while.

Hollywood, you have the answer it seems. Have your cake and eat it too.

[HollywoodGuy]

No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't commenting on your 2.5 k monthly amount, I was just commenting on the part where you said " $$$$ for a stunner may be worth it" (for some) and giving my own view on what that price range would have to buy me to be worth it. About the 2.5 k amount specifically I thought that I had used that in my prior post (when I actually said $1-2 k) which is the only reason I brought up that amount specifically. I was commenting specifically about GPS girls I've met that thought they were worth that for one night which is a joke to me unless they are a top name porn star.

BTW. There is a porn star thread in the los angeles section quoting names and prices.

[JZLizard]

I think you may have misread my post. The 2.5 k a month I spend is for at least 22 total visits from multiple girls in a month.

No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't commenting on your 2.5 k monthly amount, I was just commenting on the part where you said " $$$$ for a stunner may be worth it" (for some) and giving my own view on what that price range would have to buy me to be worth it. About the 2.5 k amount specifically I thought that I had used that in my prior post (when I actually said $1-2 k) which is the only reason I brought up that amount specifically. I was commenting specifically about GPS girls I've met that thought they were worth that for one night which is a joke to me unless they are a top name porn star.