"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John G Smith]

No return on Loan yet

Like another brother here, I gave a small loan to a Pot SB. She was one of my escort experiments. I gave her a small amount of money that I was okay losing. When we were suppose to be later in the week, she flaked. However she kept contacting sporadically apologizing and saying she still wanted to try to meet. She never asked for money again, she would just have light text conversations with me and say she hoped to get free. I've officially wrote the loan off as a "loss", but I don't think it was an outright scam. I can tell she legitimately wants to get together and finds me attractive. But she's wresting with her lifestyle and I'm just not a high priority enough. I doubt I'll meet up with her, but I don't regret giving the loan or taking a chance. I know her real identity and everything, she's a nice girl. And also it showed I had a decent eye for identifying escorts with some SB potential. As mentioned before, it's a bit of a hobby of mine to try to convert a fresh escort into a SB. So far my success rate has been 0%, but I'm still enjoy trying. At least I've been able to get some of them to open up and tell me how they got into the escort life. Because of that info, it's made it easier for me to identify SBs, UTRs, and Pros, and have an idea what warning signs to look for when a SB might be crossing over.

CL Teacher SB

Ever since I had a talk with her about flaking, things have now been great. We're meeting more regularly and she's more communicative if something comes up. She has attained official ATF status and it looks like our thing might last a lot longer than I expected. I don't give her a high allowance (just $ per meet) but I do give her a gift every single time I see her. The gifts typically range from $25-75 and it's usually related to something we talked about in conversations. She's loving the gifts and loves the fact that I'm actually listening to her and not just treating her like a prostitute. I also use a reloadable card with her, so I never hand her cash. I think this is why she's been warming up to me even more the past month or so. I'm pretty sure she met with a couple of other SDs before, but they were probably purely transactional with her. But with me, she actually feels like a sugar baby.

Another CL Experiment

Last week I was trying a new CL experiment. I'll share the details of the experiment at a later date. But the first fish I got was a Latina MILF in her 30's with an awesome pair of tits. Now normally I have a very poor success rate with MILFs because I'm in my 30's myself and I probably just remind them of their ex-husband. So we were having a M&G and it was going pretty well, but then the issue of allowance came up and it was too low for her. However she liked me well enough that she's referring me to her 19 year-old friend and babysitter! She said her friend would love to have the allowance I was offering and that she was very attractive. She showed me a picture, which confirmed it! Great face, and big tits. Not fat at all, but a curvy body type. I should be meeting up with her in a couple of days.

This year so far has definitely been quality over quantity. Last year I was playing purely the numbers game. You'll always win in the end with the numbers game, but it does cost quite a bit of money and time. So I've altered my approach a bit to do tighter filtering and then make sure I have enough resources and do the right things in order to hold on to the good ones that I do manage to catch. Last year, I caught 2-3 really good SBs, but I was so spread thin I ended up losing them. If I had a little more resources and paid a little more attention, I probably could have held on to them longer.

[HollywoodGuy]

I am 42, but can pass for 30's. I am in good shape, work out and love to have fun. You are probably correct that attraction (and confidence) allows a lower cost. I will use it while I am able.

HW. Thanks for the tip on paying even if not required. If she was a unicorn I would do that. Right now she is a HOT 19 college AA baby that loves getting pounded multiple times during our dates and a place holder. She even loves car dates so no cost at all. I told her she was in my home town and that I can not be seen anywhere with her -which means no dinner dates either...

Side note. I am a senior member now?

Thanks again for all the help. Directly and indirectly.

How about a pic of that girl? You got me curious. Props to you dude. I don't seem to get that lucky.

[CaneBay]

I think you are in your 30's? It sounds like the SBs have an IRL attraction to you therefore your CPO is low. One problem with 60 + is that you have to pay more to attract a girl 40+ years younger. Enjoy it while you can. If I was attracted to the over 35 crowd I would do a lot better, but I am not.

I am 42, but can pass for 30's. I am in good shape, work out and love to have fun. You are probably correct that attraction (and confidence) allows a lower cost. I will use it while I am able.

HW. Thanks for the tip on paying even if not required. If she was a unicorn I would do that. Right now she is a HOT 19 college AA baby that loves getting pounded multiple times during our dates and a place holder. She even loves car dates so no cost at all. I told her she was in my home town and that I can not be seen anywhere with her -which means no dinner dates either...

Side note. I am a senior member now?

Thanks again for all the help. Directly and indirectly.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yesterday I posted how I came off a bad week of cancelled dates and M&Gs. This week is not off to a much better start:

I've been texting with a 19 YO SA girl. We've had trouble getting our schedules aligned for a M&G, but we finally plan for dinner tomorrow night. She'd have to drive an hour here, but I tell her I will give her gas money. We've already discussed that sugar for me equals sugar for her. She has never once shown any indication that that would be an issue for her, if anything she seemed eager to get started.

So, late this afternoon (about 24 hours before our planned M&G), she texts me asking if we could meet tonight instead. I say that's fine, but it won't be for dinner, it will just be for drinks. I give her the addy for where to meet me. She suddenly comments that's farther away than she thought. She then asks if I could give her $$ for gas and something nice to wear for next date and she could still meet for dinner tomorrow night. "It is worth it to meet you", she adds. I immediately see where this is going, but I ask her, " and what will I be getting? "What is it you want?" I remind her that I don't give out sugar until I get sugar. So she lowers her asking price for $ for gas and to meet me. She tells me that it's really far for her to drive (it's an hour) and she has high standards on what to expect. I point out it doesn't take $ worth of gas to get from there to here and back. She replies that it's also for meeting me. She claims she's driven 30 minutes and has gotten $ for a first date before. I tell her I don't pay someone just to meet me and if that's what she's expecting, she's wasting her time. She starts complaining that I'm being rude and only interested in paying for sex and that I'm on the wrong website. Whatever. I can pretty much guarantee that she's another one of these girls who will try to get as much money / gifts out of a guy as possible and then hit the road before she starts holding up her end of the bargain.

The sugar bowl is wearing very, very thin for me lately. I just have no patience at all for so many of these girls.

Ditch her now. Don't get frustrated. It; s a numbers game. Sometimes I offer to meet them half way. As long as its in the parking lot of a motel. Try that.

[FotoGuy1970]

Yesterday I posted how I came off a bad week of cancelled dates and M&Gs. This week is not off to a much better start:

I've been texting with a 19 YO SA girl. We've had trouble getting our schedules aligned for a M&G, but we finally plan for dinner tomorrow night. She'd have to drive an hour here, but I tell her I will give her gas money. We've already discussed that sugar for me equals sugar for her. She has never once shown any indication that that would be an issue for her, if anything she seemed eager to get started.

So, late this afternoon (about 24 hours before our planned M&G), she texts me asking if we could meet tonight instead. I say that's fine, but it won't be for dinner, it will just be for drinks. I give her the addy for where to meet me. She suddenly comments that's farther away than she thought. She then asks if I could give her $$ for gas and something nice to wear for next date and she could still meet for dinner tomorrow night. "It is worth it to meet you", she adds. I immediately see where this is going, but I ask her, " and what will I be getting? "What is it you want?" I remind her that I don't give out sugar until I get sugar. So she lowers her asking price for $ for gas and to meet me. She tells me that it's really far for her to drive (it's an hour) and she has high standards on what to expect. I point out it doesn't take $ worth of gas to get from there to here and back. She replies that it's also for meeting me. She claims she's driven 30 minutes and has gotten $ for a first date before. I tell her I don't pay someone just to meet me and if that's what she's expecting, she's wasting her time. She starts complaining that I'm being rude and only interested in paying for sex and that I'm on the wrong website. Whatever. I can pretty much guarantee that she's another one of these girls who will try to get as much money / gifts out of a guy as possible and then hit the road before she starts holding up her end of the bargain.

The sugar bowl is wearing very, very thin for me lately. I just have no patience at all for so many of these girls.

[JZLizard]

So with my new hushed account things are progressing quickly. I will detail another time the one absolute smoke and one hard 9 I am talking to. But right now is something more pressing.

22 year old message therapist that I hammered last week is wanting to meet bad. But that's not the problem. I'm trying to schedule something soon and we are texting possibilities and she is talking nasty to me. Really nasty. And telling me how she hasn't been f'ed for that long in forever. We are talking about hotel rooms and she starts asking me to stay the night. Then asks again. Then says we really need to spend the night together. Asks a fourth time.

I'm in a relationship and told her about it up front. I reminded her after the first question that I had to get home but she kept asking me to stay.

I gave her a fake name, fake job, fake number, non traceable email, and all she has seen is a non descript company car.

Any advice? But of course I'm going to fc her tomorrow.

I'd recommend hitting it one more time since you're already scheduled, then go dark. Make up a story about some sort of personal crisis and tell her you'll get back to her. Clingy girls are highly hazardous to relationships or marriages, and the fact that you were up front and she's still begging like a puppy tells me she's probably got an obsessive personality type that can manifest in weird ways. The pattern I see forming is they see themselves as doing you some grand favor by offering something of higher sexual value, whether it's anal, an all-nighter, a threesome or whatever. The truth is they are "offering" those because they want the attention themselves. But, once it's time to cut them loose, they go into revenge mode, with the attitude of "oh my god, I did all this for him and he's going to fuck me over? No way" then they go to any lengths necessary to track you down, including spending money on a private investigator to figure out the details (yes I've seen them do that).

It seems still early with this one for you, so I'd say wean her off of it gradually and make your exit story something extremely believable and something that sounds temporary and like you can't wait for it to be over so you can see her again. This adds a time buffer for her to start seeing someone else, etc. And makes for a smoother transition.

[W Wonka]

If she is that damn horny, pass her off to few more of us to keep her warm for you when you can't stay, LOL.

So with my new hushed account things are progressing quickly. I will detail another time the one absolute smoke and one hard 9 I am talking to. But right now is something more pressing.

22 year old message therapist that I hammered last week is wanting to meet bad. But that's not the problem. I'm trying to schedule something soon and we are texting possibilities and she is talking nasty to me. Really nasty. And telling me how she hasn't been f'ed for that long in forever. We are talking about hotel rooms and she starts asking me to stay the night. Then asks again. Then says we really need to spend the night together. Asks a fourth time.

I'm in a relationship and told her about it up front. I reminded her after the first question that I had to get home but she kept asking me to stay.

I gave her a fake name, fake job, fake number, non traceable email, and all she has seen is a non descript company car.

Any advice? But of course I'm going to fc her tomorrow.

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[SkinJr]

So with my new hushed account things are progressing quickly. I will detail another time the one absolute smoke and one hard 9 I am talking to. But right now is something more pressing.

22 year old message therapist that I hammered last week is wanting to meet bad. But that's not the problem. I'm trying to schedule something soon and we are texting possibilities and she is talking nasty to me. Really nasty. And telling me how she hasn't been f'ed for that long in forever. We are talking about hotel rooms and she starts asking me to stay the night. Then asks again. Then says we really need to spend the night together. Asks a fourth time.

I'm in a relationship and told her about it up front. I reminded her after the first question that I had to get home but she kept asking me to stay.

I gave her a fake name, fake job, fake number, non traceable email, and all she has seen is a non descript company car.

Any advice? But of course I'm going to fc her tomorrow.

[JZLizard]

I think you are in your 30's? It sounds like the SBs have an IRL attraction to you therefore your CPO is low. One problem with 60 + is that you have to pay more to attract a girl 40+ years younger. Enjoy it while you can. If I was attracted to the over 35 crowd I would do a lot better, but I am not.

I'm in the mid-40's range, but pass for early 30's, and I would say that almost all of my experiences have been definitely been enhanced by IRL chemistry in terms of what I've gotten and how much I've paid. However, I will also say that ever since my teens I've been telling myself I better hoard all the pussy I can because it's only going to get harder as I get older, and over the last 30 years I've actually found the exact opposite to be true.

The other interesting and beneficial aspect I've found is that youth, in and of itself, becomes more attractive to me, so that I have a wider "range" of beauty definition in the 18-25 age range. By that I mean when I was 20, if I saw a chick that was also 20 that wasn't absolutely perfect, I would not have bothered, I only went after the top 10% of stunners (according to my own sense of beauty of course) back then. But these days, you can show me a 20 year old that may be plain / too girl-next-door looking to a 20 year old guy, but as long as she isn't chubby and has no glaringly unattractive features, I can usually start to envision myself fucking their face at a minimum. They don't need great tits, perfect ass, or a model face, or to fit my preferred criteria for hair color and style etc... Just youth and a slim body will warrant a second look from me these days, and I expect my definition of youth will scale upward as I get older, as it has thus far. Perhaps there's a ceiling there of mid 30's? I'm still interested in banging the super hot cougar type but I typically do not seek them out on SD websites (but I would on civy dating sites). Some of the mid 30's chicks have a great sex drive still and are less of a PITA.

The other nice thing about getting older is that I find I lose my interest / desire in actually hanging out with most 18-25 year olds outside of the bedroom. So, while I might have to pay more to attract them when I get older, they will be easier to get rid of after sex. Part of the downside of them being attracted to me is that sometimes getting them to leave me alone after I'm done isn't easy as I'd like it to be. I'm the type that doesn't like to be alone, but the company has to be worthwhile before I'm interested in conversation the morning after, and I don't really find that much in the SB scene so I'd rather wham bam thank you mam.

[FredMoore]

I have been learning a lot and messing up a lot too. Thanks to some private messages to keep me on track!

I have settled on 3 SBs currently. 19 college AA - 3 dates always good to go and no $$ yet. I told her to let me know when she wanted something and I would get it for her. Her response. I am getting all I need from you... We shall see if that continues. 27 Rodeo SB. Lots of fun, not long term, she is holding a spot now though whenever I go through her part of GA - 100 per visit. 25 Atlanta baby- this one is the one I think about. Mixed race, beautiful, and doesn't know the word no. She may party a bit much, but she is tons of fun when we are together. First visit was 200. Thanks to a tip, I am now only covering her cell bill (55 a month). Shall see how long that lasts. She stays at least 4-6 hours or overnight. Two were met on WYP and one on SDT. Every sb that I have met from SDT has gone to the FC first meet. Hit them hard and fast on that site. WYP is a mixed bag. At 50% meets end up with FC or BJ so far. Still working on my game. But having a fun doing it.


I am thinking about changing my strategy now. I have been smashing everything that looked good without much attention to the other details. I am now going to be looking for unicorn SB's. Or replacements as needed for the three. All three send photos almost daily and tell me how much they want me to come see them. They all know they are competing with the other two for my extra time. Keeps there game up when we are together. Be safe guys and have fun!!

I think you are in your 30's? It sounds like the SBs have an IRL attraction to you therefore your CPO is low. One problem with 60 + is that you have to pay more to attract a girl 40+ years younger. Enjoy it while you can. If I was attracted to the over 35 crowd I would do a lot better, but I am not.

[Rouleur]

Good idea Zman429. I also see the value of having a stack of dates in play at the same time. For me, my first time was a none-and-done.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been learning a lot and messing up a lot too. Thanks to some private messages to keep me on track!

I have settled on 3 SBs currently. 19 college AA - 3 dates always good to go and no $$ yet. I told her to let me know when she wanted something and I would get it for her. Her response. I am getting all I need from you... We shall see if that continues. 27 Rodeo SB. Lots of fun, not long term, she is holding a spot now though whenever I go through her part of GA - 100 per visit. 25 Atlanta baby- this one is the one I think about. Mixed race, beautiful, and doesn't know the word no. She may party a bit much, but she is tons of fun when we are together. First visit was 200. Thanks to a tip, I am now only covering her cell bill (55 a month). Shall see how long that lasts. She stays at least 4-6 hours or overnight. Two were met on WYP and one on SDT. Every sb that I have met from SDT has gone to the FC first meet. Hit them hard and fast on that site. WYP is a mixed bag. At 50% meets end up with FC or BJ so far. Still working on my game. But having a fun doing it.

-Some lessons learned. - I locked down my identity well from the SB's. However, forgot about email notifications for hotel reservations. Booked a local hotel and SO saw the confirmation email. Almost busted was able to explain it away. Had to cancel that FC visit though. Remember to lock down all SB play!

-Make up on my collar. I always request no or light perfume during a visit. This has never been an issue. Didn't think about makeup. Noticed it before I got home. Bought a tide clean stick? Took the make up off before getting home. Another close call. Tide stick is now kept in my car for future use.

I am thinking about changing my strategy now. I have been smashing everything that looked good without much attention to the other details. I am now going to be looking for unicorn SB's. Or replacements as needed for the three. All three send photos almost daily and tell me how much they want me to come see them. They all know they are competing with the other two for my extra time. Keeps there game up when we are together. Be safe guys and have fun!!

I like this. The only thing I would say is even when I can pay less I pay the $ to ward off the competition. Because if a girl is truly hot hot, some guy is going to try and make a move. And in the back of their mind they know every time they see you it's kaching! (and bomb ass sex). Just a side note. Just got a reply from a girl who said my offer made her sound like a hooker. She's not a hooker, she's just a girl that trades sex for cash. LOL. Confusing times we live in.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have to admit-since I've been lucky enough to hit a few of these beautiful young things, at a time in my life when I thought that possibility was way in the past, I sometimes have trouble holding back, too!

Wait till you hit 60. When you here the word premature you"ll think someones talking about a baby.

[CaneBay]

I have been learning a lot and messing up a lot too. Thanks to some private messages to keep me on track!

I have settled on 3 SBs currently. 19 college AA - 3 dates always good to go and no $$ yet. I told her to let me know when she wanted something and I would get it for her. Her response. I am getting all I need from you... We shall see if that continues. 27 Rodeo SB. Lots of fun, not long term, she is holding a spot now though whenever I go through her part of GA - 100 per visit. 25 Atlanta baby- this one is the one I think about. Mixed race, beautiful, and doesn't know the word no. She may party a bit much, but she is tons of fun when we are together. First visit was 200. Thanks to a tip, I am now only covering her cell bill (55 a month). Shall see how long that lasts. She stays at least 4-6 hours or overnight. Two were met on WYP and one on SDT. Every sb that I have met from SDT has gone to the FC first meet. Hit them hard and fast on that site. WYP is a mixed bag. At 50% meets end up with FC or BJ so far. Still working on my game. But having a fun doing it.

-Some lessons learned. - I locked down my identity well from the SB's. However, forgot about email notifications for hotel reservations. Booked a local hotel and SO saw the confirmation email. Almost busted was able to explain it away. Had to cancel that FC visit though. Remember to lock down all SB play!

-Make up on my collar. I always request no or light perfume during a visit. This has never been an issue. Didn't think about makeup. Noticed it before I got home. Bought a tide clean stick? Took the make up off before getting home. Another close call. Tide stick is now kept in my car for future use.

I am thinking about changing my strategy now. I have been smashing everything that looked good without much attention to the other details. I am now going to be looking for unicorn SB's. Or replacements as needed for the three. All three send photos almost daily and tell me how much they want me to come see them. They all know they are competing with the other two for my extra time. Keeps there game up when we are together. Be safe guys and have fun!!

[Dsprdo]

She was like "an hour of fucking?". These young girls are used to guys their own age that blow in minutes.

I have to admit-since I've been lucky enough to hit a few of these beautiful young things, at a time in my life when I thought that possibility was way in the past, I sometimes have trouble holding back, too!