"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[CaneBay]

I have been learning a lot and messing up a lot too. Thanks to some private messages to keep me on track!

I have settled on 3 SBs currently. 19 college AA - 3 dates always good to go and no $$ yet. I told her to let me know when she wanted something and I would get it for her. Her response. I am getting all I need from you... We shall see if that continues. 27 Rodeo SB. Lots of fun, not long term, she is holding a spot now though whenever I go through her part of GA - 100 per visit. 25 Atlanta baby- this one is the one I think about. Mixed race, beautiful, and doesn't know the word no. She may party a bit much, but she is tons of fun when we are together. First visit was 200. Thanks to a tip, I am now only covering her cell bill (55 a month). Shall see how long that lasts. She stays at least 4-6 hours or overnight. Two were met on WYP and one on SDT. Every sb that I have met from SDT has gone to the FC first meet. Hit them hard and fast on that site. WYP is a mixed bag. At 50% meets end up with FC or BJ so far. Still working on my game. But having a fun doing it.

-Some lessons learned. - I locked down my identity well from the SB's. However, forgot about email notifications for hotel reservations. Booked a local hotel and SO saw the confirmation email. Almost busted was able to explain it away. Had to cancel that FC visit though. Remember to lock down all SB play!

-Make up on my collar. I always request no or light perfume during a visit. This has never been an issue. Didn't think about makeup. Noticed it before I got home. Bought a tide clean stick? Took the make up off before getting home. Another close call. Tide stick is now kept in my car for future use.

I am thinking about changing my strategy now. I have been smashing everything that looked good without much attention to the other details. I am now going to be looking for unicorn SB's. Or replacements as needed for the three. All three send photos almost daily and tell me how much they want me to come see them. They all know they are competing with the other two for my extra time. Keeps there game up when we are together. Be safe guys and have fun!!

[Dsprdo]

She was like "an hour of fucking?". These young girls are used to guys their own age that blow in minutes.

I have to admit-since I've been lucky enough to hit a few of these beautiful young things, at a time in my life when I thought that possibility was way in the past, I sometimes have trouble holding back, too!

[HollywoodGuy]

If a girl does get to date # 10. Thats when I make my final decision. If there is something I just can not live with I cut them loose. And there are plenty that cut me loose before that. When I was talking to the girl in pic 5 she wanted to know what was the minimum to get paid. I said hey, you can come over and leave after an hour for all I care. She was like "an hour of fucking?". These young girls are used to guys their own age that blow in minutes. So I told her, no problem. An hour total including all foreplay. LOL. Going on my date tonite with the girl next door to the girl next door. Its safe and real. Maybe not a repeater. But who cares.

[HollywoodGuy]

Now I'm going on week # 3 after fronting my FB a few $s. 1st weekend she was "injured " in a fall. 2nd "out of town" , this week is # 3 . I could've sworn she wasn't going to rabbit over such a small amount but shame on me. I'm not giving up yet but it isn't looking good.

The worst part is she was my only one. I don't have a backup and for the moment she was good enough. I've let my memberships lapse so I guess I have to re up and start prospecting again. CL and BP are heavily watched by LE in this community. Va is a secondary Bible Belt compared to Sodom and Gomorrah out West. So I guess I will go back to SA and SDFM.

Hollywood, that cutie from CL is rockin' I hope she works out for you.

Yeah, hope so too. But its a long shot. She must get hit on non stop, luckily she lives in a hipster part of L.A. Where people live 4 to a two bedroom apt. It must be hard in L.A. Seeing all that money and not having any.

Here is a UTR from CL that is txting me as we speak. 18 year old skater chick (pic 1). And I had a AA MILF HMU an hour ago that's right around the corner (pic 2). There is security in numbers, because 50% won't get past the first date, and another 47% won't get past date 2 to 10. Really looking for a keeper. That hot latina would be a keeper for sure (pic 3). It was love at first bite. She is all I think about, almost. LOL... but she is the one in 33 which is my ratio of dates to keepers over the last 3 or 4 years.

Also did a spinner message blast last nite. (pic 4) just responded. 18 and blond. I also include a pic of the 19 year old hottie from friday that wants to meet again (pic 5).

[FredMoore]

Now I'm going on week # 3 after fronting my FB a few $s. 1st weekend she was "injured " in a fall. 2nd "out of town" , this week is # 3 . I could've sworn she wasn't going to rabbit over such a small amount but shame on me. I'm not giving up yet but it isn't looking good.

The worst part is she was my only one. I don't have a backup and for the moment she was good enough. I've let my memberships lapse so I guess I have to re up and start prospecting again. CL and BP are heavily watched by LE in this community. Va is a secondary Bible Belt compared to Sodom and Gomorrah out West. So I guess I will go back to SA and SDFM.

Hollywood, that cutie from CL is rockin' I hope she works out for you.

[FotoGuy1970]

I have noticed that there is very little posting on the weekend. Must be because you're all married or have a life.

I've actually come off a bad week where very nearly every single M&G or date was cancelled, usually at close to the last minute. POTs that I've been texting with to try and set up M&Gs have gone silent. One girl that I did see for a first time FC date made several errors during our time together and I'm not planning on repeating. It's been a discouraging week for me all around. I wasn't going to post any of the awful details because I didn't feel any of it worth contributing, but here they are.

[HollywoodGuy]

Lets see... A girl that said yes, now says no. She took away my take away. she was maybe a 7/7/?/? . So no big deal

Then the 19 year old hottie from the other night that spent two hours talking to me in the car and did nothing and didn't get paid. Messages me that she changed her mind and wants to see me today. If I picked her up and came back to my place it would be 2 hours total driving time. I don't think so. I was already there Friday and nothing. Now she is going to have to bus it over to me and then I,ll take her home afterward on some other day. I would be her first, so I am interested. 8/9/8/?

But earlier today a very normal girl with a normal job I had been casually messaging with, decided today was good for her. So I am going there, as she has her own place and is only 20 minutes away in a nice area. 7/7/9/? . Cant wait to find out how naughty she is.

The hottie from two posts below is now silent. Since she is only 10 minutes away I told her to think about just going on a M & G first before she makes up her mind as she said she has never done anything like this before.

Even with 3 girls on the A team I get a lot of down time. My roomy is with her new SD. My princess in on her period. And my MILF is a once or twice a month hookup and now I see her on the SD site everyday non stop for a month. She says she is just bored and looking. Right? And I am watching sports on 3 screens simultaneously because I never gamble.

Just my experience, but a lot of times the hotties are much more willing to jump in the sack than the average girls. Like what are they waiting for? Also I have been hitting up a lot of MILF's and nothing. I am getting the most hits by far in the 19 to 24 range. The super hot latina that I dated last week and is now out of town messaged a few times very casually. It's hard not to tell her how over the top enamored I am. I can only pray I will see her again soon. She knows or will know soon she is capable of getting paid a lot more than I,m offering. Girls in Hollywood learn fast.

[Zman429]

I live within a couple hours of Las Vegas

I'd try setting up two or three of these per day over a couple of days, maybe take advantage of the low hotel rates during the week.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have noticed that there is very little posting on the weekend. Must be because you're all married or have a life. This one responded to a CL ad saying she never did anything like this before, but her cel is shut off. How am I supposed to get any work done thinking about that tight spinner body. I know it's not for everyone, but it drives me crazy.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yeah we're tricks. So what?. Anyway here's one you can use on SD4M . You send your intro letter. If they don't read it in 7 days delete the message from the sent box. The UTR's and pros will send an apologetic message and want to meet. The SB's probably aren't interested. Even better. They read it within 24 hours. If they don't respond within the next 24 hours delete the sent message. It's like a takeaway. Sometimes it works and they suddenly get right back to you. Everybody wants what they can't have. In this scenario 90% are SB/NP's because a pro or UTR doesn't have to think about it.

Today I sent a message. She reads it and nothing. I delete it a few hours later. She sees that and messages me back. "Sure! Let's try this". Meaning my guaranteed HE for a $. Stats. 40% of HE agreements go to BBFS. 30% go to BBBJ. 20% go to a HE. And 10% walk away at the M & G. For dudes that cover up, the numbers go even higher. And you can't argue with a demand for a cover. It's a legitimate request.

Unfortunately it was close to midnite when belle de jour responded to my takeaway so I'll have to do her tomorrow. It is possible to send an intro letter in the morning and be bangin by nite. Or even an hour later. A pro will always get right back to you with an overly positive response. A UTR may get back to you quickly but be less quick to set up a meet. A NP/SB can be anywhere on the map. I met my princess the first day she signed up. Did a 5 minute M & G that nite and then went straight to the FC. I was the only guy she met and then she had me delete her profile. We are still together a year later.

Not looking to start a discussion on whether to cover up or not. That issue has been mined to death on many threads.

One last comment. Always try to message a girl within 48 hours of her signing up.

[HollywoodGuy]

One thing I always do when talking to a cute girl. Is even when I know nothing is going to happen, rather than just cut the meeting or conversation short, I talk as long as they will respond just to get in their head even if I am never going to get in their pants. From a convo this morning I had with a girl that rejected me I got an idea, posted it on CL and had a response in an hour.

Just like in any other forum, feedback is very useful for future situations.
Every loss just puts you one step closer to a win.

[JZLizard]

One thing you might consider doing Rouleur is put something in your profile that the girl must be fit / take care of herself, etc. It helps prevent the overweight ones from contacting you, and even if you contact them by mistake it will make them think twice about trying to sidestep your physical preferences with "good personality" and outdated or incomplete photos, hoping you won't notice. On that particular date I would have bailed at any cost the moment she said "I need to lose 20 lbs" on the phone, but you'll get more successful with practice and I enjoyed the comedic value of your post.

[SkinJr]

I'm fairly certain the 35 year old is a working girl just by the way she talks to me. I haven't been talking to her much anymore.

A new possible sb is a 19 year old from Minneapolis. She just moved here April 1st. She is not beautiful in a sexy way. She is kind of nerdy plain looking but looks okay and appears to have a slim / athletic body. And the body and attitude are my most important requirements. I get the vibe I could completely dominate her.

I'm just a little concerned about her. She is only 19 and moved here alone and doesn't work. So how is she surviving? Plus she is eager to meet. She sent me a personalized photo immediately, hasn't asked any questions about me, doesn't talk much and wants to meet asap. Hmmm.

[Rouleur]

Last week, partially due to my reading this thread, I joined SA and began the process of finding a SB. Perhaps a little background, 56, Divorced for a year this coming June. I live within a couple hours of Las Vegas and arranged my first M+G at the Mandalay Bay Resort. I had been texting with my first potential SB for the last 3 days and, being a coward, had not requested any definitive photo proving the SB actually looked like the photos she had sent me in addition to her profile photos.

Running a bit late because of Vegas traffic, I had called her to update my arrival time and asked her to suggest a restaurant at Mandalay Bay to meet at. Her response was to say " I don't really need to eat as I've got about 20 lbs to lose right now" Now, this SB is a UNLV student standing at 5'3". It didn't take an Einstein or my rapidly shrinking penis to visualize what 20 extra pounds on a girl her size would look like. What the hell, I was almost there and it was just lunch.

I entered through the rear parking structure and once entering the lobby I called her to make the final contact. As the phone was ringing I saw a short NFL Left-tackle in a dress and striped blouse on her phone. As I walked by the L-tackle I experienced that weird audio sensation where you hear a voice in your phone and from a secondary source at the same time. It was her. I had already made the mistake of describing what I was wearing to her and before I could run for my life I heard my name called out. My brain began a slow silent chant. You stupid fck. You stupid fck.

I was starving and we sat at a restaurant and ordered. The dialogue was friendly, and about as sexual as a conversation with your Mother or Sister can be. She wanted to discuss financials and her limits as to what she was willing to do. I, as politely as I could, told her that we were not a match and that we didn't need to worry about those details. That was pretty much the end of the lunch. Desert? Yes, she had ordered the biggest fcking chocolate something that I mistook for a mud bath when they wheeled it to the table.

It was my intention to start off my contribution to this forum with a cool story that would allow me to start my journey to becoming a Senior Member here. Through only my fault, it didn't work out that way. But this is my starting point and I hope over the next several weeks, months, and on to be able to post successes rather than failures. My name is Nitwit, glad to be here.

[HollywoodGuy]

Went on two meet and greets tonite. Remember I always make my offer of $ upfront and get confirmation prior to meeting anyone.

I was mad at my ATF so I looked for the prettiest BBW to just get a slam dunk HE or maybe a BJ and call it a night. I meet her at a coffee shop and within 5 minutes she tells me she is looking for an allowance. That was a fast date.

Called the next one. A super hot 19 year old. After I pick her up we talk in the car and she says she wants $$ for a quick fuck and covered and no BJ. She was so pretty I talked to her for 2 hours and then dropped her off.

So no money spent, got 2 girls off my list and went home.