"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Well, I found out which direction the College POT relationship was going, and it sure wasn't the direction I wanted. We had a nice M&G that went well, so this week we agree to meet up for dinner and a movie at local mall, and since we'd have some time between the two, I'd figure we'd walk around the mall for a while also. After we sit down for dinner, she tells me she may not be able to go to the movie after all, because she's busy studying for finals and stuff. I understand and agree to just dinner and walking around the mall. While we're in the middle of eating, she asks how I handle allowances and such. I felt uncomfortable discussing this with people around us in the restaurant, so I deflect her question. After we're done eating and we start walking around the mall, I ask her if dates will be platonic or what? Keep in mind, she assured me our arrangement would be mutually beneficial, but as of yet, there have been no discussions of what her idea of that is. She tells me she's not sure how platonic or physical they'll be and that it would have to be discussed at some future point. Fair enough, but my Spider-Sense is already tingling that this girl expects to be paid for platonic "hanging out".

So we go into a store and I want to find a couple of new shirts for myself. She helps me pick out a couple, then she's walking around the store getting a few things for herself. I think that she's going to be buying the stuff for herself, but when we go to checkout, she puts the stuff right in with my shirts I picked out. Not wanting to make a scene in front of the cashier and not wanting to discuss our lack of agreed upon arrangement in such a public place, I bit the bullet and paid for about 250 dollars of clothing for her. The rest of the time walking through the mall, I'm fuming. When we part ways in the parking lot, I don't get so much as a hug or a nice thank you for the clothes I bought for her. A reminder to myself and to my brothers out there to make sure that you and POT are on the same page with *everything* before you get hooked into buying her stuff or giving her sugar.

SA has been a complete bust for me so far this time out. My CL ads continue to generate a nibble or two, but nothing definite and / or interesting as of yet.

If you haven't discussed anything sexual at all prior to the meet and greet then there is no reason to have one.

[JZLizard]

I don't mind doing dating activities (I.e., dinner and a movie) with a SB because, unlike a lot of my brothers, I'm single outside of the sugar bowl. So it's nice to have an attractive young lady to go and do things with other than hitting the FC. But I won't give sugar for just platonic dates, as I usually make clear. But since this girl assured me before our M&G that our arrangement would be mutually beneficial, it seemed like she was on board with being physical also. It wasn't until midway through this last date that she gave any indication that she wasn't sure what those mutual benefits would be.

I'm technically single, and really single when my girlfriend travels for weeks at a time. But yes, I'm like you in that I like to make a date of it. I probably wouldn't go to a movie with an SB unless there were a film I really wanted to see that I was planning to see by myself anyway. In other words once an SB is involved there's a chance she'll get to the theatre and go "oooh can we see that instead" and it's some chick flick with Julia Roberts in it or something. For that reason I just wouldn't do movies at all (See foot note at bottom). Also with most movies being around 2 hours in length, some of these girls may feel like they are doing you a favor by sitting in a dark theatre watching the movie (I.e. They gave you 2 hours of their company and should be thusly compensated).

I do highly recommend the dinner M&G, since of course you're enjoying half the cost for yourself and thus your potential loss is minimized, and it's how the typical first date starts out in a normal civvy dating online meeting anyway (in my experience I should say). You could save a few bucks by making it a lunch meeting, but I think you've got a better chance of going straight from dinner to the FC if it's dinner, and in the evening rather than during the day. The next question is simply where the FC is from there. I'm always traveling when I meet an SB, so I already have a hotel room that I'm set up in. When possible, it's nice to get a hotel that has a decent restaurant in or near it, because then the FC is just an elevator ride away. Nice hotels cost a little more, but if your stay is one night and a few more bucks per night puts you in such an easy position to slip away from the dinner table or bar straight to the room, it greatly increases your chance of scoring on the M&G so money well spent. Every time I've done this I've gotten laid and not one of them talked money before the act, I just gifted them after the fact.


foot note* I did want to qualify my "no movies" advice a bit and say that for the single guys, having a nice TV / home theatre system / digital cable or sat can be a big bonus in any sort of dating. I don't bring SBs back to my house these days because my GF, but I always found a nice TV set up goes a long way on the dates I did bring back. First because you can say "do you like porn?" and throw in a porn disc, and before you know it she'll have her hand in your zipper. All of this assumes of course that you know the girl well enough to let her know where you live, a risk that decreases dramatically when you're single. I never had a problem bringing civvy girls I just met at a bar home, but I would be a little more cautious about doing that on the first date with SBs, maybe that's just me. Also if its someone you want to see more, the TV inspires her to come visit more often because she most likely has a crappy TV with limited channels wherever she lives, even if she streams Netflix to her tablet or whatever... once she gets the remote and starts channel flipping she'll get absorbed and stick around a while.

[FotoGuy1970]

Sorry for your loss brother but you did that to yourself. Cardinal rule is " NO $$ until the panties hit the floor " An exception is the M&G at which you treat the Pot to a nice dinner and drinks. PERIOD. Do not go shopping where you will be put in that awkward situation. And what's with going to a movie? I know we are all different, but what most of us want is to hit the FC as soon as possible, not sit in a movie, unless she is going to blow you in the back row. .

Remember, you are in charge because she wants your money. She doesn't care about sex with an old dude and she is not your friend. She wants your money. So make it easy to earn your money. Never say " if our dates will be platonic or what? There is NEVER an acceptable scenario where sex is an option. It is a sure thing or move on .

Instead say " I find you so sexy and you are my kind of girl. I would like to spend some private time together soon ".

She tells me she's not sure how platonic or physical they'll be and that it would have to be discussed at some future point. At this juncture you might say that " you will discuss her allowance at the same time you discuss physical activities. ".

My Spider-Sense is already tingling that this girl expects to be paid for platonic "hanging out". Of COURSE she does! She has already read you as an easy mark. You are probably a nice guy but be a little more demanding. You might say. I would like to begin an arrangement with you so that we can both get what we want. Let's discuss it right now.

I don't mind doing dating activities (I.e., dinner and a movie) with a SB because, unlike a lot of my brothers, I'm single outside of the sugar bowl. So it's nice to have an attractive young lady to go and do things with other than hitting the FC. But I won't give sugar for just platonic dates, as I usually make clear. But since this girl assured me before our M&G that our arrangement would be mutually beneficial, it seemed like she was on board with being physical also. It wasn't until midway through this last date that she gave any indication that she wasn't sure what those mutual benefits would be.

[FredMoore]

Well, I found out which direction the College POT relationship was going, and it sure wasn't the direction I wanted.

I bit the bullet and paid for about 250 dollars of clothing for her. The rest of the time walking through the mall, I'm fuming. When we part ways in the parking lot, I don't get so much as a hug or a nice thank you for the clothes I bought for her. A reminder to myself and to my brothers out there to make sure that you and POT are on the same page with *everything* before you get hooked into buying her stuff or giving her sugar.

SA has been a complete bust for me so far this time out. My CL ads continue to generate a nibble or two, but nothing definite and / or interesting as of yet.

Sorry for your loss brother but you did that to yourself. Cardinal rule is " NO $$ until the panties hit the floor " An exception is the M&G at which you treat the Pot to a nice dinner and drinks. PERIOD. Do not go shopping where you will be put in that awkward situation. And what's with going to a movie? I know we are all different, but what most of us want is to hit the FC as soon as possible, not sit in a movie, unless she is going to blow you in the back row. .

Remember, you are in charge because she wants your money. She doesn't care about sex with an old dude and she is not your friend. She wants your money. So make it easy to earn your money. Never say " if our dates will be platonic or what? There is NEVER an acceptable scenario where sex is an option. It is a sure thing or move on .

Instead say " I find you so sexy and you are my kind of girl. I would like to spend some private time together soon ".

She tells me she's not sure how platonic or physical they'll be and that it would have to be discussed at some future point. At this juncture you might say that " you will discuss her allowance at the same time you discuss physical activities. ".

My Spider-Sense is already tingling that this girl expects to be paid for platonic "hanging out". Of COURSE she does! She has already read you as an easy mark. You are probably a nice guy but be a little more demanding. You might say. I would like to begin an arrangement with you so that we can both get what we want. Let's discuss it right now.

[FotoGuy1970]

*College POT: Nice enough girl, met for dinner. She assured me in texts that the arrangement would be mutually beneficial, but there has been no discussion at all of specifics. We are planning on meeting up later this week, but no discussion of what kind of a date we're having. She's really attractive and I like her, but I have no idea where this particular relationship is going.

Well, I found out which direction the College POT relationship was going, and it sure wasn't the direction I wanted. We had a nice M&G that went well, so this week we agree to meet up for dinner and a movie at local mall, and since we'd have some time between the two, I'd figure we'd walk around the mall for a while also. After we sit down for dinner, she tells me she may not be able to go to the movie after all, because she's busy studying for finals and stuff. I understand and agree to just dinner and walking around the mall. While we're in the middle of eating, she asks how I handle allowances and such. I felt uncomfortable discussing this with people around us in the restaurant, so I deflect her question. After we're done eating and we start walking around the mall, I ask her if dates will be platonic or what? Keep in mind, she assured me our arrangement would be mutually beneficial, but as of yet, there have been no discussions of what her idea of that is. She tells me she's not sure how platonic or physical they'll be and that it would have to be discussed at some future point. Fair enough, but my Spider-Sense is already tingling that this girl expects to be paid for platonic "hanging out".

So we go into a store and I want to find a couple of new shirts for myself. She helps me pick out a couple, then she's walking around the store getting a few things for herself. I think that she's going to be buying the stuff for herself, but when we go to checkout, she puts the stuff right in with my shirts I picked out. Not wanting to make a scene in front of the cashier and not wanting to discuss our lack of agreed upon arrangement in such a public place, I bit the bullet and paid for about 250 dollars of clothing for her. The rest of the time walking through the mall, I'm fuming. When we part ways in the parking lot, I don't get so much as a hug or a nice thank you for the clothes I bought for her. A reminder to myself and to my brothers out there to make sure that you and POT are on the same page with *everything* before you get hooked into buying her stuff or giving her sugar.

SA has been a complete bust for me so far this time out. My CL ads continue to generate a nibble or two, but nothing definite and / or interesting as of yet.

[FotoGuy1970]

I personally have little or no interest in having a SB who's 30 or older, and if a SB is in her older 20's, that's even pushing it for me. I'm far more interested in the 18-24 girls.

[Marcus Weiner]

While we're discussing ages of women and girls, I'd like to share with you a story that happened to me last summer. I met a 40-something gal on whatsyourprice and we ended up in the FC after dinner. I was disappointed when I met her since her pics had been photoshopped in the face. She still had a nice body so I saw her once more before she began asking for more money from me. The straw that broke the camel's back was when she no showed for an early morning rendezvous. She said that she had overslept and would make it up to me when she came back from vacation next Thursday. At the same time I'm talking to a 19 yr-old from the same part of town. She was eager for the FC but said she was going to the beach until next Thursday. Hmmm, now the gears are turning inside my head, but I'm thinking what are the chances of fucking mom, then a few weeks later the daughter. So on the night we're supposed to meet, she tells me that she has to bring the car to her mom since they share it. Out of curiosity I asked what it was, and it was the same car as the 40-something. She asks me if I can pick her up and without hesitation I jump in my car and off I go. This sexy young thing was a total freak and got me to drive to a local park. I took a blanket and pillow and down to the soccer field we went at 2 in the morning. What a rush. Everything was available with me finishing all over her face and tits as she licked me clean. I dropped her off at home and headed home to go to bed. I was awakened at 9 am with a phone call from mom cursing me out and calling me a pervert. LOL, guilty. I guess on the way home I should haven't have told the daughter about fucking her mom 2 weeks earlier, LOL. MW.

[FredMoore]

Strange, I've experienced the opposite. For me, the younger they are, the less drama there is. But they just tend to be more flaky and unreliable.

The older they are, they tend to have more real expenses, bills, and responsibilities, which make them much more intense when things go wrong or if their expectations aren't met. But that's just been my experience.

Probably has to do that with the younger girls, I usually get the decent ones and not the Nando 1's. But with the older girls since I'm a relatively young guy, I just don't have much appeal with women over the age of 27. I'm too close to their age, so I probably don't attract the best MLF SBs. The few crazy SBs I met were all over the age of 25.

So I guess it's just a matter of self-selection. You may naturally attract the crazies from one group but not the other.

We all have our sweet spot based on our age and experience. My sweet spot is 25 to 28. Out of hundreds of candidates from 18 to 40 something the mid to upper 20's hits the spot. Here's a summary of something I submitted several years ago on this site. Several single / divorced friends were talking about it in their dating experience IRL, but I have found it true in Sugarland as well. I'm talking more about Nando 3's,college girls, not Nando 1's and Pros.

18 to 21 young and hot bodies but immature into partying. Sex is recreation to them but no emotional attachment involved. They are sexually inexperienced and have no pleasuring skills. They want to drink ,420, and stay out late. They have no money at all.

21 to 25 still into partying but superficial. Sex is still casual and although a little more experienced still don't know enough to read their man's needs. Finishing college, maybe early employment but no money. Needs are high monetarily. Intensely into friends and hard to get them alone and away from the phone.

25 to 28 have a job and some money. More mature, not so interested in going out to bars and staying up all night. Have accumulated some sexual skills and some knowledge of mens needs. Enjoy a classy date but are willing to stay in and snuggle. Not feeling the clock ticking yet and do not want commitment This is a group the term NSA was created for.

28 to 34 Most are married or divorced and some with kids. They are into careers or family and the biologic clock is ticking. They want a family They are starting to look for an SO and will be decent short time SBs to save up some money, or to survive. They are starting to get jaded if they have not become financially solvent or have had a decent SO.

35 to 39 all have kids who are in the tween and teen years. They need money to survive and are starting get desperate about the future. The kids create babysitting problems and availability is harder, especially at night. If they don't have an SO or money they are facing a life of struggle and looking at being an UTR or old girl SB. They are aging out.

40 to 50 teen kids to early grown. These Moms are the type whos' daughters are our targets, not them. Old age problems abound, menopause, sexual dysfunction and bitterness. They have little prospects of finding an SO. They love sex and can be good partners. Lots of experience and enjoyment though.

50 + FUGEDDABOUDIT!

I'm sure all you guys can add to this list with your own slant to it.

[John G Smith]

Especially for the married guys, I'd avoid the very young ones because they are the most likely to act sweet initially then do something really foolish or damaging if the relationship should go sideways (like turn Amy Fisher Gone Buttafuoco on you).

Strange, I've experienced the opposite. For me, the younger they are, the less drama there is. But they just tend to be more flaky and unreliable.

The older they are, they tend to have more real expenses, bills, and responsibilities, which make them much more intense when things go wrong or if their expectations aren't met. But that's just been my experience.

Probably has to do that with the younger girls, I usually get the decent ones and not the Nando 1's. But with the older girls since I'm a relatively young guy, I just don't have much appeal with women over the age of 27. I'm too close to their age, so I probably don't attract the best MLF SBs. The few crazy SBs I met were all over the age of 25.

So I guess it's just a matter of self-selection. You may naturally attract the crazies from one group but not the other.

[JZLizard]

Actually something else would have to be going on (I.e. Providing alcohol) for CDM to even enter into the picture.

But for our own sanity, yes it's best not to surf the edge of age of consent laws. By that I mean that of all the 18-19 year olds I've met, I can only think of one 18 year year old that had the maturity / emotional maturity to handle being an SB. Most of them will tell you they are very mature for their age, and they believe that, but get to know them a little better and you will start to see the problem. Even in civvy dating, I used to have no problem fucking someone that was 22 or 23, but I found that anyone younger than about 27 or so was simply going to be too much of a pain in the ass to date (by that I mean in terms of relationship material) simply due to the maturity gap. One night stand after a night at the club? Yes. Girlfriend? No.

Especially for the married guys, I'd avoid the very young ones because they are the most likely to act sweet initially then do something really foolish or damaging if the relationship should go sideways (like turn Amy Fisher Gone Buttafuoco on you).

[Peter Johnson]

I've never, ever been able to get off with oral either.

I could never get off from oral until I was in my mid 30's and met up with this horny chick from a phone chat line. She just had the most incredible vigorous technique and I came within a couple of minutes. Somehow that "unlocked" that part of my brain and have been able to get off with a whole lot of women since then from oral..just have to be really backed up and/or the chick has to be really good at it.

Also if you have intercourse for awhile and get close, then can have them blow you at the end and get you off more easily. But my point is don't assume that it will never happen for you...just keep getting your the*ck sucked by various women and one will probably do it for you.sounds like a fun project.

[Peter Johnson]

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i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted, and without starting flame wars.

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[FredMoore]

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editor's note: this report was edited to remove references to **** persons.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted, and without starting flame wars.

please do not post references to **** persons in the forum. thanks!

[Marcus Weiner]

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editor's note: this report was edited to remove references to **** persons.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted, and without starting flame wars.

please do not post references to **** persons in the forum. thanks!

[Admin2]

Nobody said they were looking for one. In the USASG there simply are no numbers smaller than 18 that are allowed to be posted. Doesn't matter the reason. If that magic numbers is >18 don't post it.

This is THE most zero tolerance issue on the forum. Never, for any reason, even as a warning, even with the very best of intentions.

Again, these guys were on the side of the angels, they weren't being assholes, it's just not allowed.

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