"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Been taking a break from new meet and greets for about a month now. I cleaned out all my old contacts and started to look for some new girls.

So far this year I have dated 13 different girls (3 are the home team). Two others that were carry overs from last year that ended and eight new girls of which I am still seeing two.

This came to a total of 90 dates in the first 116 days at an average of $.2 per date. The home team accounted for 56 of those dates. I am now looking outside my normal demographic a bit, meaning they could be any age or race.

I only missed out on one super hottie and I am going to hit her up again but I think its a lost cause. So I have 2 new POTS so far. One is a FetLife girl I met at a party and one is a gym rat, very tall but very lean. I am not rushing out to see the obvious booty call / UTR girls of which there is an unlimited supply in L.A. And trying to find something more real.

Like Revvo I would like to find the "one" but its very elusive and probably not going to happen. So I try to stay entertained with whatever special skills or attributes the various girls have and even though I can't seem to wrap it all up into one super girl I manage to get what I need through all of them put together.

I will never go the AMP, SW, or BP girl route. Some of their pics are very enticing but I read enough other threads to know this isn't what I am really interested in. I think like anything else the longer you do this the easier it gets, but there is still a lot of hit and miss especially sticking to a strict per date budget. I know if I pay more it would be easier to get the hotter looking girls but as we all know that has no bearing on their skill level or personality.

If a girl knows for a fact she is a 9/9/9/9 you are not going to get her for $.2 a date. And I wouldn't expect to. I always lean towards body type and skills over facial looks and personality. It's tough when you meet a pretty one you like but the skill level just isn't there. As I do lean towards younger girls this is more of an issue as well.

But I would take a 7/9/7/9 over a 9/7/9/7 any day.

So, out of a possible 40 total points and being on the budget I have set for myself I am rarely going to go to 34 total points and more likely going to be at 30 to 32 points. (the home team averages about 33 points each)

But if I take the best qualities from my home team in each category and combine it all into one girl I get a 9/9/10/10 or 38 points. The math of dating.

[JZLizard]

When considering SD site alternatives, also don't overlook POF (the free dating site) for possibilities. During my recent yearly SD'ing run, I set up a profile with a particular strategy in mind, to basically bulk mail younger ladies in specific regions, specifically those looking for casual encounter type dating, and just tell them in my opening e-mail that I was looking for an SD / SB type arrangment. I never actually got around to seeing what sort of response I would get, simply because I only had a 3-4 week timeframe to work with and within a couple of days on the SD sites I already had more POTs than I could sort through, figuring out which ones to see in which cities and planning the trips and so forth. If I were a year-round SD, I would definitely add POF to the toolbox.

It is not going to produce as high a success ratio as the dedicated SD sites, but there are some advantages: (1) you get to see her pics / profile before you approach (2) She's almost certainly not a pro (3) what's the worst that can happen? She doesn't respond. Don't spend time on a custom note for each one, bulk message them the same schpiel and see if you get a bite. Only time lost is searching profiles and if you're SDing full time you're doing that anyway. (4) even if you never hear from the girl, you are unwittingly helping the SD cause overall, because you're planting the idea in dozens or hundreds of girls' mind that they could be SB material. They may not have made up there mind that's what they want now, but they won't forget the idea and you just might see the same girl showing up on SD4 ME or whatever a year or two later when she gets in over her head with credit card debt or whatever. Fertilizing the turf a little bit for future growth never hurts.

I wrote here before about a hot nurse I met a few years ago that had a rockin' bikini body and became a good friend with benefits (no money from me, just two friends who enjoy fucking). First time I met her in person we went to dinner then out clubbing, we were on maybe the second cocktail and she starts telling me what a sloot she likes to be in the bedroom and what I was in for that night. Not only did she make good on that promise, she promised to never get clingy and just enjoy the sex and she made good on that too. I found her on that site, so I have complete faith that with some patience / diligence good things can be had there.

[Beachesnole02]

For what it's worth, I posted a CL ad in the talent section for attractive women needing help paying their bills and put in the text that they needed to be non-pro and open minded. I ran it for a couple weeks and got a number of pro responses that were obvious and ignored, one single mom that I saw a few times and another single mom that was totally hot but flaked out about what she was doing after we had one FC session. The one I saw several times would still be in the rotation but she tended to attract drama.

[HollywoodGuy]

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

Having posted some ads on CL for a non pro that was just horny and seeing the responses I would say in my case at least it would be a total waste of time to pursue those types of ads. The time factor to get noticed would make it almost impossible. But posting ads does get responses. Its just the selection isn't as good as on an sd site. But maybe a little more eclectic for lack of a better word. But I am going to keep posting. But definately no shortages on the sd sites.

Having cut back a bit the last few weeks I missed a date with a real hottie due to flaking on my part which turned her off. But there are always more. Timing really is almost everything with meeting these girls. When you snooze you lose.

[John G Smith]

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

[JZLizard]

I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.

Did Craigslist ban & filter out terms like sugarbaby / sugardaddy? Back when I tried, I basically used both and it went through (but that's been at least 3 years). None of the girls I got responses from were interesting enough for me to reply, but none of them seemed like pros. One was kind of like a competitive body builder type (lol... well I did say I needed fit ladies in my ad, but she wasn't what I had in mind and had a face like Arnold Schwartzeneger), one worked at a bank and went to college part time, etc.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.

I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.

[JoeBlowDC]

I recently came across a little gem from the Richmond area and though I would share with the fellas who got this board started. It has given me invaluable advice along the way and seeing as my life is too hectic to get down to are-Vegas on a regular basis I figured I would help the girl out and pass along her info (with her permission of course) to a couple "friends".

She is tight little package at 19 LOVES sex and is a STONE COLD FREAK!! LOL.

I'm sure here isn't much you could come up with that would phase her. Her asking price is $$ and will come down a bit for a multi-hour session. Seniors drop me a note and I will forward along the info. Here is a pic to entice the senior members from the Richmond DC area. And hopefully motivation to share some of their own.

[FredMoore]

I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.

Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.

[HollywoodGuy]

The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.

I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.

[FotoGuy1970]

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?

Profiles are free to the girls forever on SD4 M. And they soon figure out its the new girls that get most of the attention. I've seen pros with half a dozen over the years.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?

[JZLizard]

I'm at a place in my hobbying life where I can only do booty calls. I miss the "relationship" but the warden has a pretty tight grip on the free time and money has been tighter than usual.

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

Speaking of BCs, I have a cute spinner who will pop over for a 15 minute session anytime I want . I save money on hotels by using a friend's place but we don't hang out for multiple rounds or playing. But for getting a nutt she is just right. Strip the clothes off, bend over, lay down, sit on the chair ++she's agreeable for whatever. And she will take a bareback load. The only complaint I have is even though she is a spinner, she has had kids and her once bodacious DDs are now empty sacks but at least with nice nipples attached. If I had the time and freedom to take her out for dinner and get a Notel room I'm sure she would hang out for longer play sessions.

I only tried the CL route once several years back, maybe late 2010 or 2011. My GF and I were split up at the time and I did it more out of curiosity than anything else. At the time I was aware of some of the SD sites and talked to a few girls but was not involved in the bowl officially. The overall quality of pics I received was just well below my normal dating standard so I never followed up with them. It might have changed a lot since then but I just didn't see any stunners, and that's the type I'm targeting. My overall impression is that the SD sites attract more women and better looking ones, because the girls feel like they are reputable sites with some level of verification (credit card, etc) so they feel safer, especially with labels out there from the media like "Craigslist Killer" and so forth.

I guess both approaches have drawbacks. With the SD sites you have to filter out the GPS girls and the dreamers that think their pussy is worth $5000 a month standing allowance with flexible actual appearances, with CL you have to deal with druggies and serious nando types. I'm sure there are some occasional gems from CL but I just found my time was better spent on SD sites. I will try CL again one day maybe, especially if I have reason to believe its changed.

[JZLizard]

No, this girl has replied to my ads before with pics attached and even her college transcripts! She's not even a little bit attractive and she's always come off as a bit unhinged, so I've always passed on her. But this latest reply of hers to my ad trumps all her others, which were odd to begin with.

Interesting. Well I did see an ad on an SD site from an AA girl once that I couldn't tell if it was a joke or if it was for real, but in her ad she literally came out and said "I aint sleepin' with nobody I just want yo money! In the photos she was like 5'10", built like a man, with nothing about her that could be considered attractive, so I wanted to believe it was a hoax or maybe she was trying to sell people on her sense of humor but who knows.