"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

Well I guess this comes under the category of careful what you wish for...you just may get it!

I was absolutely not expecting this. I am very happy and committed to my current beautiful baby.
This is not fair. Or is it?

Revvo.

I could do her once but that would not be good form.

What? Revvo, are you getting soft in your olde age? Fuck 'them both my man and look for a 3rd. SBs are NSA and unless you are planning on taking an ATF on as a regular GF occupying all your free time and play funds, just develop all contacts and enjoy them. You know how this works, one day you have too many and the next none.

[AliasSM]

Thanks again to all of the helpful brothers on this forum for the advice and insight to this situation through postings and PMs. I wish I knew who the caller was but probably will never figure it out at this point because I doubt I will see this particular SB again. After the scare of the phone call settled down, we arranged for another meeting over the past few days. This meeting had been set up way in advance and I was really looking forward to seeing her again. It wasn't her looks so much that kept me coming back to her. It was just a sweet personality and she seemed to really enjoy spending time together. That's the prime reason that I was willing to risk seeing her again even after the mystery phone call that had caused us to postpone our last meeting.

4 days before our rescheduled meeting date, she txts me with the dreaded "rent is due" panic and asked to borrow $ I first tell her that I never advance money to a SB, but the next day I stupidly contact her back and tell her that I felt bad and would advance her at least part of her request. She seemed grateful for the offer and we agreed to meet at a local fast food just to hand off the cash and say Hello,. When we met, she got in my car and we had a short discussion about the mystery phone call. But she was calm about it and seemed over the scare. I handed her a $$ cash advance as we were to meet for a date just 3 days later and that was enough to tide her over until our meeting and her next payday. Then she agreed to go park with me for a little car action and delivered a nice BBBJCIM as a quick little thank-you for the loan. I wasn't expecting that, but our next date wasn't for 3 more days and I had no action planned in between, so thought that was a good way to keep junior happy until we were to meet again.

We txt'd back and forth over the next couple of days and everything seemed normal. On the day of the night we were supposed to meet, she sends me a txt saying she was with one of her friends and would see me at our scheduled time, but as the time got closer she went on radio silence. After trying to reach her throughout the afternoon, she finally sends me a txt about 30 minutes before we were to meet saying she didn't think she could make it.

Moral of the story: Never Never Never Never Never advance money to a SB. I knew better, but went ahead with it anyway because I trusted this one more than others in the past. But I guarantee you that if she had not received my advance she would have found a way to keep our date. The fact that she had enough cash in hand to pay her immediate bills, have her the flexibility to cancel out on me at the very last minute, which would never have happened if she was still in need of rent money.

I know I was stupid. Another one bites the dust as they say.

Alias.

Thanks Revo and others that responded to my request. This is still a mystery, but I have eliminated the possibility of a few sources on my end and feel much better about the potential of any security threat on my end.

To answer some of the questions:

- I never use my Google voice to talk with her by phone. All of our interactions from the beginning have been strictly txt through Google voice.

- I use my own cell phone but keep it locked down at all times.

- My SO is definitely NOT involved. I know her very well and she would never be able to keep something like this to herself. She would have confronted me by now or at least left some indication through her mood changes that there is a major problem.

-I never use a shared PC or anything other than my locked-down cell phone to communicate with this SB.

- At first I thought maybe this SB was trying to blow me off and this might be an easy way to scare me off, but she has since come around and wants to meet again.

- None of my other SBs have received a message at this point.

- I do use my real first name with this SB. I know that is stupid on my part, but they usually find out anyway and I never felt the need to hide it with her. She claims that my name is not tied to my number on her cell phone, so that would eliminate the "someone saw her cell phone messages" theory. They supposedly called me by name when talking with her.

So still a mystery for both of us. I like her enough to not let this scare me off. I'll keep you posted after our next meeting if she agrees to keep the relationship going.

Thanks.

Alias.

[JZLizard]

What should I do? Its not fair that she has to come along now and upset the apple cart. I honestly did not think any baby could turn my head. But I must say it is officially turned. She was adamant that she wants one man, and only one and she has had very few men her entire life. I could do her once but that would not be good form. I can tell her I do not want to proceed but that would not be good for me and my sexual craving for her. I have the whole rest of the week free to try her out since my baby is busy the next two nights with a photo shoot for a promotion she is doing. So I will not even see her until next week. Or I could take her on for a month do both of them spend lots of money and then make my decision. What should I do?

This is not fair. Or is it?

Well I can tell you a non-SB related experience that may help. I once met a girl I really liked, but she traveled a lot, and early in our friendship she went out of the country for a month. During that time I met someone else, who I thought was probably a better match and got seriously involved. The traveling girl, once she returned, saw us together before I got a chance to explain the whole situation, and she was jealous and hurt. Well about six years later I reconnected with the traveling girl, and said let's go to dinner. She said sure... We picked right back up where we left off, but her being a traveling girl she had to go out of the country for a month again! It was even the same time of year as the six years before. I told myself no matter what I'm not going to disappoint this girl when she gets back, she stuck out in my mind as one of those I saw as long term material -- who knows, maybe even wife material. I was going to allow myself to get laid while she was gone, but I would NOT let myself meet someone I really liked.

So, I ended up meeting someone I liked.. Well I liked a lot because she was a super hot stunner with a good job.. 3 days after my traveling GF was on the plane ... However this time I said to my new friend "look, I fucked up six years ago and I'm not going to fuck up again, if you want to be friends we will be friends but I'm not cheating".

Now, each of us here know enough about women to know what that last line did, even though it was not my intention. I realized later I set her clit on fire with that. If you saw her body, you would realize why she's never been turned down before. So here I am saying "sorry dear no sex for you, even though I want you I am strong enough to not cheat". That not only brings out her competitive side (all women crave proving their own worth by seeing if they can obtain another woman's man), but it tells her I'm of good integrity and would be a good faithful partner if she was able to win me over.

Can you see where this is going yet? Yep, you guessed it. One things lead to another and friends become friends with benefits and about a week and a half after telling this girl there's no way I'm cheating on my girlfriend, she is at my house deep throating my cock and begging me to unload in her mouth. About every two hours we would sleep, and I'd feel her hand waking my cock up for another round. And yes after we got the this point where she was helping her friend out, she would casually mention that if for some reason things didn't work out with the traveling girlfriend, she'd like to become more than friends with benefits and try actually dating because she thinks we'd be a good match.

Long term I ended up with neither one of them. But, what I think you should do is take the high road like I did in that example, lay your cards on the table in whatever way makes the most sense. If you like your new friend as a potential regular relationship, tell her you see that in her and try to get a feel for her reaction. She's already said she's not in it for the money. If I misread your feelings and you're not interested in making her your girlfriend, then I would just treat them both as sugarbabies, who in my opinion should always be on the don't ask don't tell plan. They've got other daddies going on whether they admit it or not anyway, and you can juggle multiple SBs if you can afford to (not just in money but in time and energy).

Almost every time in my life I took a risk by being completely honest and telling a female something that I thought they would object to (an example being "I want to be honest, I've got someone else") etc., I am always surprised at their reaction. They love that level of honesty and forthrightness because they don't see it as often. And sometimes it melts the panties right off them.

[JZLizard]

Same day FC's are actually easier than planning ahead. Many times girls agree to my $ and the first thing they want to know is can I see them today. At that moment they are in a state of financial desperation that could end in a day or 2 and many times does. Being in a state of constantly being overbooked and overworked its not easy for me to follow through on such short notice. I have even had 9+ quality girls agree to this. And even if I do rush over or have them come over. They many times decline a repeat visit. Being able to be as spontaneous as possible definitely increases your closing rate.

So far, my dates themselves have been planned several days in advance. But, I always set it up logistically so that the trip to the FC is almost too easy / convenient for them to turn down. I'm not completely sure why I've had such success -- as I said, the longer I do this the more likely I will run into exceptions. But I always had really good luck with first-nighters and / or one night stands, both when I used to spend a lot of times in clubs / bars and also with regular (non-paid girls) online dating. But I will say whatever techniques I developed during regular dating seem to be benefitting me as a daddy, as I'm really not doing anything different than I was during regular dating. Perhaps part of my success is a sort of "reluctant perv" side of my personality. For example if it comes to talking about sex I usually wait until she initiates it or says something that heads in that direction. I will wait until she puts her hand on my thigh for an extended period of time before my hands start finding the outline of her thong underneath her dress. Stuff like that. I think the ability to self-subdue my urges gets their curiosity level... The one complaint I've been getting from more than one lady so far is that they get a first impression that I'm "not that into them". Well they can complain about that all they want but at the same time if I was fawning all over them, they wouldn't respect me as the daddy they've been searching for. Also partially contributing to the success is simply picking the POTs I actually see carefully. I don't have enough time or money to M&G them all anyway, so if I see signs of flaky behavior or something that's a red flag I just turn them loose.

[Walruscl]

The eternal quest for perfection, however you define that. The ideal here seems to be very attractive, able to make a personal connection. Low-risk / overhead / drama (I.e., no Nando-1's), and inexpensive (the gold standard being $ or so). I believe that I have hit the 20/80 mark for my quest in perfection. Could I find something better? Probably. Do I have the time? Do I want to take on additional risk? Answer to both is "no". I've probably hit 80% of perfection with 20% of the effort. The rest is an asymptotic curve, at least based on my experience and from reading the board.

In my relatively short search, I ran into flakes, GPS, UTRs, girls who would have struck a deal but I didn't have a connection with, a couple of POTs that had sudden cold feet, and one situation where I blew it but probably turned out for the best. It was long, time-consuming, and emotionally exhausting. For all her shortcomings, nothing "clicked" like my current SB.

One of the early POTs was a HCB (at least from the pics) and we exchanged quite a few emails. We had incompatible schedules and she was a bit too far away. But bright, interesting, a normally-straight-and-narrow girl looking to explore her wild side while she still could. Unfortunately between the barrage of creepsters on SDFM and suddenly faced with the decision to actually move ahead with a face-to-face, she panicked. To her credit, she was very up-front about it and didn't just flake on me. Allegedly she found me too attractive (at least based on my writing style) and claimed to be afraid that she would fall for me. Normally I would call BS on something like that, but the emails were pretty deep and sincere. It was my first experience with getting too invested too early-really hard to let it go even though I knew it was the right thing to do.

My "close-call" was a HYM in her late 20's. Stable job, two kids, attractive if a bit lacking in chemistry. Things were going really well over text, we had a MTG that went well, but she sensed my hesitation and insisted that I really go into this "ready", whatever that means. In the meantime, she had car trouble which postponed another MTG. The way she presented the whole car thing set off scam-alerts and got me paranoid. Too paranoid, and when I confronted her about it (over texts-stupid of me), I'm sure I came across as a creeper and she bailed. Still thoroughly paranoid, I rooted out her Facebook page and a lot of things didn't align with her story. The biggest being her relationship with her ex, which she played down as more or less out of the picture. Well, the Facebook pages told a different story (lots of recent "happy family" pics). Not only that, this guy was an Army vet with lots of pics of large biceps, fatigues, and guns. God only knows what I could have been in for if things proceeded but then went sour. (shudder).

So my SB is not a conventional beauty (until she shows that spinner body), has some drama issues, and performance could be better. It's pretty clear that she's probably getting the better end of the deal sex-wise. I see that as a work-in-progress, and I get a lot of pleasure from seeing her all but worship me as a sex god. That sounds over the top, and if you told me that five years ago I would have laughed. But it's not much of an exaggeration. And from the board it's clear that many of us have had that mind-blowing, game-changing experience.

So... Checking in. Had another five hour romp in the FC. With the sudden warm weather she surprised me by wearing a dress but nothing underneath. Soooo hot to have her on top but still clothed. I had a concall scheduled midday which we decided we would work around. Well, that consisted of her blowing me during the entire call, and became a battle of sensory overload vs concentration. I'm happy (I think) to report that the latter won out. Once the call was over, we spontaneously proceeded to act out a fantasy that we apparently both had-she mounted me on the chair and went to town.

By the time it was over she could neither walk straight nor think straight. Even though I only popped once, it was friggin amazing to be able to fuck someone silly.

Ah, finally getting the sex life I never had...

[Revvo]

Well I guess this comes under the category of careful what you wish for...you just may get it! So for a very long stretch of time late October through early February I was either having no luck with the babies or going through total duds or just spinning my wheels and wasting time, or taking a break out of frustration. And then all of s sudden in mid Feb. Things started to look up. They really started to look up. I mean the pussy was coming at me from all directions. They were mostly contacting me. Then I met my current favorite that is heading straight into ATF territory. You can read all about her below my little Italian Princess. Things are getting better and better. I did her on Monday and it was one of those magical days. Where when we were done there was some real afterglow. And that is saying something because she is not particularly expressive emotionally. I was happy and she was happy and she said so. So the dilemma:

About a week ago I was contacted by a really nice divorced MILF 37 YO white also bright blue eyes and gorgeous, probably 5'7" and a size 8, and also I believe Italian descent. Did not think nothing of it. I responded politely but did not really intend to meet with her. But we got into some nice conversations and found out she just moved into the area was educated had her own house a son and her own job and nice car. She also talked about how she was not looking for a lot and was not into this to see how much money she could get out of me. She talked about a lot of the same things I was looking for and swears she has never done this before, she was convinced by her friend. Remember women live their lives on plausible deniability. So I was a little skeptical. But I am committed to my current beautiful sexy fun baby. But hey what would it hurt. Like some of the brothers said maybe she could be a fallback if things go bad in the next few weeks.

So I casually entertained her interest and mine grew. She was sweet, a bit frazzled from her move, seemed honest and very very sweet and she seemed to genuinely like me. So we talked some more and met today. She is absolutely beautiful, stunning, and a little thick, great titties, and firm body. Very affectionate and passionate. We talked and laughed and the chemistry was very very intense. I can tell you since I have been doing this I have rarely felt this good of a connection. She could not say enough sweet things about me and to me. I had a hard on already. We could not keep our hands off of each other. And it was so easy and natural. But the sexual tension was high. I give her a 10/7/9/? . She tells me she won a major pageant several years ago and I tell ya brothers she is not skinny but she is not fat either, and if she lost 15 lbs that 7 rating would go to a 9.

I was absolutely not expecting this. I am very happy and committed to my current beautiful baby. She is pushing all of my buttons very well. But this baby is a cut above on the passion affection front and she is not asking for much money and has her own place to meet and wants to accommodate me. I walked her to her car and we crashed into each others arms, we were at a private spot in the parking lot so no one could see us. The making out was hot and heavy and man we almost were not able to stop. We were standing up and no parts of our bodies were left untouched at least once. I almost thought I could get her in the car and fuck her there but she started to back off as were were really getting into it. But she had a plumber going to her house. She is ready to meet soon and do some serious fucking.

What should I do? Its not fair that she has to come along now and upset the apple cart. I honestly did not think any baby could turn my head. But I must say it is officially turned. She was adamant that she wants one man, and only one and she has had very few men her entire life. I could do her once but that would not be good form. I can tell her I do not want to proceed but that would not be good for me and my sexual craving for her. I have the whole rest of the week free to try her out since my baby is busy the next two nights with a photo shoot for a promotion she is doing. So I will not even see her until next week. Or I could take her on for a month do both of them spend lots of money and then make my decision. What should I do?

This is not fair. Or is it?

Revvo.

[HollywoodGuy]

Jeez, you are making it happen. Way to go brotha. I am impressed by the same day FCs. This is all about being bold without being a douche. Women not only admire that they are turned on by it. Which is what you found with your baby with the nasty attitude. Once you stepped in the drivers seat and took charge she really got turned on and then she really had some good orgasms.

This goes for most women. And what you said about her not even knowing how to take charge, so damn true. And when the man does not lead they try to lead and it comes out just like she did, mean and clueless.

Great info keep it coming. There is gold In here brothers. Brother Jeez is on the fast track to tons of quality pussy.

Revvo.

Same day FC's are actually easier than planning ahead. Many times girls agree to my $ and the first thing they want to know is can I see them today. At that moment they are in a state of financial desperation that could end in a day or 2 and many times does. Being in a state of constantly being overbooked and overworked its not easy for me to follow through on such short notice. I have even had 9+ quality girls agree to this. And even if I do rush over or have them come over. They many times decline a repeat visit. Being able to be as spontaneous as possible definitely increases your closing rate.

[Revvo]

Boy that last line really rings home with me right now. I recently had a college girl who turned into an all-nighter, thus multiple sessions and pops. But in-between sessions things started to go sideways, and I was able to defuse and recover despite her increasing bitchiness and anger. One of the reasons it started to go bad is I guess the alcohol was putting her in the mood to test the boundaries of her dominance, and it took me a while to figure out what it would take to get things back on track, as I was having a good night physically and wanted still more sex. So a bit of tact and charm to defuse the situation, then once the anger was gone I showed a more dominant attitude than she had seen before, literally instructing her on what she was going to do to please me. Bingo... That firm side of my personality struck all the right nerves with her, this final session was the best, she was the most orgasmic during this final and more epic session than the prior ones.

Moral of the story -- always be the boss. Don't for one second let her feel she is in charge of the situation, because whether she realizes it or not, she doesn't really want to be. She also is not qualified to be.

Also some have mentioned how great it is to be their first. Only happened to me once and yes it was the best. I think I have an opportunity to do same this weekend I'm looking forward to, although I'm stopping myself from assuming the date will end in sex. So far, I've had 100% success rate with that banging them within a few hours of initial M&G but I know I'm still new at this and have not seen everything.

Jeez, you are making it happen. Way to go brotha. I am impressed by the same day FCs. This is all about being bold without being a douche. Women not only admire that they are turned on by it. Which is what you found with your baby with the nasty attitude. Once you stepped in the drivers seat and took charge she really got turned on and then she really had some good orgasms.

This goes for most women. And what you said about her not even knowing how to take charge, so damn true. And when the man does not lead they try to lead and it comes out just like she did, mean and clueless.

Great info keep it coming. There is gold In here brothers. Brother Jeez is on the fast track to tons of quality pussy.

Revvo.

[JZLizard]

Great comments. Every once in a while I need to be reminded of this point. That it is better to ask for what I want or just do it. And I have found that women like that even if they don't want to do what you are asking they will admire your leadership and willingness to push the envelope a little.

Boy that last line really rings home with me right now. I recently had a college girl who turned into an all-nighter, thus multiple sessions and pops. But in-between sessions things started to go sideways, and I was able to defuse and recover despite her increasing bitchiness and anger. One of the reasons it started to go bad is I guess the alcohol was putting her in the mood to test the boundaries of her dominance, and it took me a while to figure out what it would take to get things back on track, as I was having a good night physically and wanted still more sex. So a bit of tact and charm to defuse the situation, then once the anger was gone I showed a more dominant attitude than she had seen before, literally instructing her on what she was going to do to please me. Bingo... That firm side of my personality struck all the right nerves with her, this final session was the best, she was the most orgasmic during this final and more epic session than the prior ones.

Moral of the story -- always be the boss. Don't for one second let her feel she is in charge of the situation, because whether she realizes it or not, she doesn't really want to be. She also is not qualified to be.

Also some have mentioned how great it is to be their first. Only happened to me once and yes it was the best. I think I have an opportunity to do same this weekend I'm looking forward to, although I'm stopping myself from assuming the date will end in sex. So far, I've had 100% success rate with that banging them within a few hours of initial M&G but I know I'm still new at this and have not seen everything.

[Revvo]

I grew up reading playboy. And I always used to think that HH was such a lucky guy. Not because he had so many girls, but because he has stated in many interviews that when it comes to sex he is strictly a plain vanilla type of guy. Just stick a pair of D's and some blond hair on an admittedly hot body and the guy is home free. And I was just gonna have to suffer because that just wasn't gonna do it for me. Even something as common today as inter racial dating was unthinkable in high school. A major factor in my moving to los angeles, where it's basically anything goes.

My tastes are far more eclectic. At 18 to about 25 I was happy to just get whatever girl fell into my lap. Even after I met my 2nd wife who was a whole lot better in bed than most of the girls I had known I still had to put away some of my fantasies and desires. At 55 I decided I was just going to get what I wanted one way or another. Now. OMG. Either the girls of today are way more experimental, freaky and what they like to call sex positive or my ability to bring it out of them has increased to the point of where I really am going to get just about anything I want out there.

And if money wasn't a factor, I would get anything and everything, anytime I wanted.

Never be afraid to ask or just go for it (as many submissive and very young girls can be shy). If one won't do it the next one will. I find a major factor in younger girls (or any girl) dating an older guy is to get freaky. They are ho hum bored with most younger guys. I,m sure I wasn't all that exciting myself back then. When they call me an animal, a perv, a sex addict or a freak, its always with a smile on their face.

And of course the real joy is knowing you are the first guy they ever did it with.

Great comments. Every once in a while I need to be reminded of this point. That it is better to ask for what I want or just do it. And I have found that women like that even if they don't want to do what you are asking they will admire your leadership and willingness to push the envelope a little.

And of course being their first is always a treat too.

Agreed.

Revvo.

[HollywoodGuy]

I grew up reading playboy. And I always used to think that HH was such a lucky guy. Not because he had so many girls, but because he has stated in many interviews that when it comes to sex he is strictly a plain vanilla type of guy. Just stick a pair of D's and some blond hair on an admittedly hot body and the guy is home free. And I was just gonna have to suffer because that just wasn't gonna do it for me. Even something as common today as inter racial dating was unthinkable in high school. A major factor in my moving to los angeles, where it's basically anything goes.

My tastes are far more eclectic. At 18 to about 25 I was happy to just get whatever girl fell into my lap. Even after I met my 2nd wife who was a whole lot better in bed than most of the girls I had known I still had to put away some of my fantasies and desires. At 55 I decided I was just going to get what I wanted one way or another. Now. OMG. Either the girls of today are way more experimental, freaky and what they like to call sex positive or my ability to bring it out of them has increased to the point of where I really am going to get just about anything I want out there.

And if money wasn't a factor, I would get anything and everything, anytime I wanted.

Never be afraid to ask or just go for it (as many submissive and very young girls can be shy). If one won't do it the next one will. I find a major factor in younger girls (or any girl) dating an older guy is to get freaky. They are ho hum bored with most younger guys. I,m sure I wasn't all that exciting myself back then. When they call me an animal, a perv, a sex addict or a freak, its always with a smile on their face.

And of course the real joy is knowing you are the first guy they ever did it with.

[HollywoodGuy]

My experience with jail birds, and I've had a few, is that they are always Nando 1 s. Living in hotels is another tip off and frequently they were incarcerated for prostitution or drugs. These girls are desperately poor, in great life trouble, and you would be best off avoiding them. It's easy to feel sorry for them and want to be the white knight. BTW, These residential hotels in my area charge $250 / week and do not require credit checks. Paying these girls $250 + is over the top. They will suck you dry and spit you out.

One of these I was enamored of, and put her up rent free in a rental house I have. It took me 6 mos to get her and her druggie BF out and still worried about Black Mail.

One of the reasons I have a roommate (aside from loving her. LOL) is to keep the desperate ones from thinking they are moving in. And even with her here they still try. And I will never move one into a place where my name is attached to the lease. Been there, done that, gotten burned.

[FredMoore]

My experience with jail birds, and I've had a few, is that they are always Nando 1 s. Living in hotels is another tip off and frequently they were incarcerated for prostitution or drugs. These girls are desperately poor, in great life trouble, and you would be best off avoiding them. It's easy to feel sorry for them and want to be the white knight. BTW, These residential hotels in my area charge $250 / week and do not require credit checks. Paying these girls $250 + is over the top. They will suck you dry and spit you out.

One of these I was enamored of, and put her up rent free in a rental house I have. It took me 6 mos to get her and her druggie BF out and still worried about Black Mail.

I offered 240 but she asked for 260. But I really need to work on getting my CPO down. In retrospect, my initial offer should have been much less. I'm trying to learn from the senior members here.

Back to the Craiglist ad, most replies are going to be losers or bots. But there is an occasional gem out there. I am single and it is mentioned in my ad so that helps some too I guess. I still have dreams about the college co-ed that almost agreed to meet last summer. Not necessarily a knock-out but the cute girl next door type. I'm pretty sure that she had never had a SD and may never, but she came close. You never know.

[HollywoodGuy]

I offered 240 but she asked for 260. But I really need to work on getting my CPO down. In retrospect, my initial offer should have been much less. I'm trying to learn from the senior members here.

Back to the Craiglist ad, most replies are going to be losers or bots. But there is an occasional gem out there. I am single and it is mentioned in my ad so that helps some too I guess. I still have dreams about the college co-ed that almost agreed to meet last summer. Not necessarily a knock-out but the cute girl next door type. I'm pretty sure that she had never had a SD and may never, but she came close. You never know.

Cast a wide net. Make tons of offers at $. Get tons of rejections. But then when they agree at least you feel like you got some value.

[ChipandPutt]

Chipandputt. I am thinking of trying the Craig's list thing again. The last time I tried it just got a bunch of losers.

What was the damage for strawberry girl?

I offered 240 but she asked for 260. But I really need to work on getting my CPO down. In retrospect, my initial offer should have been much less. I'm trying to learn from the senior members here.

Back to the Craiglist ad, most replies are going to be losers or bots. But there is an occasional gem out there. I am single and it is mentioned in my ad so that helps some too I guess. I still have dreams about the college co-ed that almost agreed to meet last summer. Not necessarily a knock-out but the cute girl next door type. I'm pretty sure that she had never had a SD and may never, but she came close. You never know.