Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[BootyCall]

I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.

My friend and partner has the right to spend on a young lady what ever he feels is fair. Yes he has the m money to pay whatever and he has. He can run with the big dogs so those of you who can't stay on the porch. My 02.

[BigMack]

Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.

House and clothe someone in need Buying a phone card is not the answer in exchange for a half hour POA. Wrong example my friend. These women in general have extreme difficulty managing funds but at least they have a roof over their heads even if they have an air mattress or a blanket on the floor Kettle money can provide three squares a day a place to sleep, toiletries, possibly some used donated clothing and you don't have to go out at 11 pm at night to buy it. You work hard for your money my friend. If you are going to spend it, give it to missions, SA, or another worthy cause but not for phone minutes. Some of the ladies on here even collect money at the holidays for childrens gifts, poor people down on their luck who need help, but doubt any of them give another provider a phone card because they can't managing money. Again I applaud your willingness to be kind and help out a provider in need, but much better ways of giving in the spirit of the holiday and kindness than buying phone minutes for a lady who can't manage her money or make enough to subsidize her lifestyle. JMO and no offense meant.

[JLZ61]

Agreed on the below. However, despite my natural do-good-ness, I have found over the few months that I've been a-mongering that a number of these women are in many ways choosing their destiny. I have offered to help the few who have expressed a supposed interest in getting a "normal" job with their resumes, etc., etc. However, when push came to shove, it almost feels like they want to be doing what they're doing, despite the squalor and uncertainty and hopelessness of it all. "Oh, I left my resume on a friend's computer" or "I can't find the flash drive." Not to get into a deep philosophical discussion or anything, but a guy has to wonder sometimes.

I have found myself increasingly reticent to offer much beyond the standard donation. Don't want to get jaded but it just seems more realistic.

Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.

[Cheech1]

Is in the fact that you can feel good about helping someone, even if they've gotten themselves into a problem because of their own (insert reason). Its like putting a few coins in the kettle at Christmas. And, in this case, you might even get to see some good come of your help.

Cheech.

[Member #4506]

Well I appreciate your southern hospitality. I got my glasses on and that gal looks pretty good.

Thanks for sending some food for thought.

[Charger1]

Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

I think in summary this is the lesson to be learned. The time or money isn't really the issue they were minimal I was frustrated they did not keep their word and I think clearly I need to reduce my expectations to none, if there is a benefit great but I should plan on there being none even if one is stated. Thanks again all.

[TheDaytimer]

Golden Rule of Mongering. Do unto others, but don't expect them to do unto you.

Actually I've been in a similar situation and knew up front that the "help" I was providing was really going to be a gift. I figured I had the cash and she needed the cash so what the hell.. As long as I was sure she wasn't buying drugs with it.

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

[Cheech1]

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

What one must think about is are we "helping out" with the idea of making a gift from the goodness of our horny monger hearts? Or are we "helping out" with the idea of creating indebtedness that we expect to be repaid?

I've responded to many a call for help in the past. I learned quickly that I wasn't going to be repaid, either in money or time. I guess I can say that I always felt good anyway, just because I was lending a hand to a fellow human in need. However, I have drawn the line in several cases because I felt I was being taken advantage of. And even still, when I know I'm being scammed, I've bought food for a house where a kid was living. Just because I'm a dumbass.

Karma, what goes, comes.

Cheech.

[Tolcin]

What is going on? If a provider wants to see only financially stable white guys what's the big deal? Maybe they believe if they go black they won't go back LOL. As far as high volume rates vs. Low volume rates, if I was on that side of the fence I'd rather see 1 or 2 a week rather then 5 a day, yuke that even sounds gross. I know some of us can afford to see 3 Ladies a week at 150 but balk at one for 300 hmmm. Now does advertising in this arena bruise the ego? Maybe, its kinda like a car salesman trying to sell a Bugatti in the projects, LOL. I know where I from, they keep the rent in the apt. Complexes high, so they only attract a certain client, no section 8 that kind of thing. As far as the racial component, this is America don't forget. If you have a couple bad experiances with black men well, its because there black, and you write off all black men. If you have a bad experiance with a couple white men well, its because they were jerks, so just screen better and ask for references. I'm just saying, All kidding aside, the good thing about this hobby is there is just about someone for everyones price point. What would you charge to let someone do to you what you ask these Ladies to do? I'm just saying. Just choose wisely and treat kindly.

[Golfcart]

There is one rule that I think is over all else. Be honest in your review. If that's what happened, then you should never back down from telling the truth and naming names, no matter how well established a provider is. Even if the provider has 100 stellar reviews, if your experience with her was bad, say so.

1 bad review doesn't ruin 100 good ones. But a succession of them could mean something different.

I had a not so pleasant experience with NattiGFE / Allison / Buttons / etc., who up to that point, had good reviews. But she was late (excusable because I allowed it), and when during the sessions I mentioned multi-pop, she said she didn't do that even though I paid for the whole her and her ad clearly states, "MSOG". When I told her it said so in her ad, she said that it was a mistake. She copied and pasted another provider's ad and she didn't mean to. Eventually, after I told her that I would have no problems kicking her out, she acquiesced. I wrote about, I was honest about it. It was one bad review, and I don't know if it was the catalyst that made her change, but her ads changed to remove the MSOG, then 1 week later, she advertises, "now offering MSOG".

Reviews are not just to alert other mongers of good / bad providers, but it could also be a warning / report card to providers. The smart ones will read their reviews and make adjustments. The ones that don't, well, they don't do as well.

DNutt, I agree 100%.

Per hobby custom a review is supposed to be the guy's experience from his point of view. That is a one-sided standard as it has to be. The reviewer's history on other matters affords the rest of us a yardstick to asses the weight that should be given the review. DNut gave us a review of his experience.

[Orizaba]

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

Out of line? Well, I suppose not. But I actually think you made out pretty well, considering. Like many here, I've been there and done that many times. Phone minutes, rent money, grocery money for kids, car payment, you name it. The offer is usually similar to your experience.

When I help I am always hopeful, but I never really expect it to be repaid. So before you act, decide this: "Is this someone I'd like to do a favor for?" If so, then help and don't expect to get it back. Just do it as a favor and it is more likely to come back to you than if you really expect it to. I have made some great friends in this way. And had some really awesome "clock off" dates.

This issue has been discussed on the boards for years, and I think the replies usually fall into two categories -- "Don't ever help" and "Help, but don't expect to get it back.".

I don't think I have ever asked a lady to see me for free because I've helped her out. But I have booked a follow-up date, brought a good bottle of wine, and enjoyed her company for a lot more than 30 or 60 minutes. Is it equal or fair? Perhaps not. But if it is someone you really enjoy spending time with, then I think you will make out pretty well.

Be gracious with the lady. See her on her terms. And give her the opportunity to show you that she really is appreciative. Just my two cents worth, as always.

[Glockman]

Glock, buddy. Your pictures are fine and all, but you should look at the girls face when choosing a photo. In this photo, Lexi looks like she's either mentally handicapped, or very drunk, or a bit of both.

I rather liked the look on her face. But keep in mind that it may be difficult to grin when you have six inches of dildo shoved up your giner. Here is another shot taken just minutes before, minus the dildo.

[Mbgbe696]

I need to rant and rave for a min, but I would like to know if I am wrong in my view on this.

I am not going to put the provider on blast but she is a well regarded professional that has been around for awhile and I go way back with her. I received a text the middle of the week asking for help. They don't have a car and their foot was bothering them so they could walk to the closest gas station to put minutes on it. This was their text below.

"Well I need minutes or my phones going to be shut off and I'd even count it as a hh one day soon at your choosing please can you help me.".

So left my place went to a gas station for them at 11 pm, and sent them the pin so they could have the minutes. I am sure you see where this is going, when I go to collect today what I believe is a hhr they say that they ment they would take the amount I paid for the minutes off of their normal rate. I copy and pasted the same text I posted above and they said they can see why I thought what I did, but that's not what they MEANT, and it doesn't even make sense because their hhr rate is obviously much more, implying how could I possibly think that.

So this provider wanted me to get off my couch and go to the store and waste my time when I should have been going to bed and give them more business bc their would have been no discount just an amount off equal to what I spent for the min. While keeping their phone on allowing them to continue to make money while they sat at home. Their time is so valuable, why do the not value ours?

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

No you are not wrong, you should report it. I had a bad experience last January with a well known high class provider, I said what I needed to say, even though I got flax from others about how they could not believe this person could have done this, it still is what it is and it happened. It does happen in this hobby.

[PhatDaty]

I am ready to write this provider off permanently and never do another favor for a provider again, so I ask again am I out of line?

The general rule, is do not hand out money or favors, unless they are merely a gift. It usually does not work out well if you expect anything else. The only person that can answer that for you is yourself. If the disconnect above ruined your ability to enjoy your time with her in the future, you should let her know and then carry through with not seeing her: say what you mean and mean what you say.

Remember there are always three sides to a hobby story: her side, his side, and what really happened. Eight times out of ten, when a hobbyist complains that they have been taken advantage of by a provider, when all sides of the story come out, you can often see where the whole mess could have been avoided with better communication or foresight. Just off what you gave us, you are not going to like my vote: you fucked up, you trusted her.

[Glockman]

I still wouldn't pay even 1.0.

I would and I did.